2016 Draft

[saintEscaton]

Jaylen Brown screams Shabazz Muhammed to me. His low steal rate is really, really bad (steal rate correlates highly with IQ awareness) and I know how this board would hate more dumb players on this team.

I think the top4 of this draft is good (simmons/ingram/dragan/dunn).. would be nice to get a top2 pick but I can live with Dragan or Dunn - they're good.

After this guys I'd trust McD to do the best move possible (probably move up/trade this picks for future ones/stash more european guys)... I'm really struggling to even put some guys on tiers right now. Yikes

Perfect comp

How is that even a remotely close comp? Muhammad basically played off the ball and scored out off screens and corner 3s, plus offensive rebounding and griding in the paint, Brown is a much better athlete that can play over the hoop, something Bazz didnt really show.
He is bigger and much more athletic than Bazz and not even close as a shooter as of now.

As an Indiana fan who has no horse in the PAC-12 race, I've come to realize that lot of our posters are blinded by Wildcat bias

[bwgood77]

Jaylen Brown screams Shabazz Muhammed to me. His low steal rate is really, really bad (steal rate correlates highly with IQ awareness) and I know how this board would hate more dumb players on this team.

I think the top4 of this draft is good (simmons/ingram/dragan/dunn).. would be nice to get a top2 pick but I can live with Dragan or Dunn - they're good.

After this guys I'd trust McD to do the best move possible (probably move up/trade this picks for future ones/stash more european guys)... I'm really struggling to even put some guys on tiers right now. Yikes

Perfect comp

How is that even a remotely close comp? Muhammad basically played off the ball and scored out off screens and corner 3s, plus offensive rebounding and griding in the paint, Brown is a much better athlete that can play over the hoop, something Bazz didnt really show.
He is bigger and much more athletic than Bazz and not even close as a shooter as of now.

Brown better at the rim, Bazz the better long range shooter. Other than that, both put up fairly similar #s and were overhyped. Bazz played with a bit more composure.

Brown is more athletic, but a bit too out of control for my liking. Almost 3 turnovers a game, can't shoot. I'll pass. Last thing we need is another turnover machine that can't shoot.

Both overall somewhat low on bbiq.

[bwgood77]

Perfect comp

How is that even a remotely close comp? Muhammad basically played off the ball and scored out off screens and corner 3s, plus offensive rebounding and griding in the paint, Brown is a much better athlete that can play over the hoop, something Bazz didnt really show.
He is bigger and much more athletic than Bazz and not even close as a shooter as of now.

As an Indiana fan who has no horse in the PAC-12 race, I've come to realize that lot of our posters are blinded by Wildcat bias

Or, since you don't watch the PAC 12 as much you don't see them as much?

[saintEscaton]

How is that even a remotely close comp? Muhammad basically played off the ball and scored out off screens and corner 3s, plus offensive rebounding and griding in the paint, Brown is a much better athlete that can play over the hoop, something Bazz didnt really show.
He is bigger and much more athletic than Bazz and not even close as a shooter as of now.

As an Indiana fan who has no horse in the PAC-12 race, I've come to realize that lot of our posters are blinded by Wildcat bias

Or, since you don't watch the PAC 12 as much you don't see them as much?

Nah I watch them aplenty

[bwgood77]

As an Indiana fan who has no horse in the PAC-12 race, I've come to realize that lot of our posters are blinded by Wildcat bias

Or, since you don't watch the PAC 12 as much you don't see them as much?

Nah I watch them aplenty

OK, well in any case, I think your expertise is much needed here. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1430848

[AtheJ415]

Perfect comp

How is that even a remotely close comp? Muhammad basically played off the ball and scored out off screens and corner 3s, plus offensive rebounding and griding in the paint, Brown is a much better athlete that can play over the hoop, something Bazz didnt really show.
He is bigger and much more athletic than Bazz and not even close as a shooter as of now.

As an Indiana fan who has no horse in the PAC-12 race, I've come to realize that lot of our posters are blinded by Wildcat bias

Neither player plays for Arizona, and Shabazz went later in arguably a worse draft than Brown is projected to go. I actually agree with his statement. Athletically, Brown is better, and Shabazz had the better jumper. They score in very different ways.

[kennydorglas]

Jaylen Brown screams Shabazz Muhammed to me. His low steal rate is really, really bad (steal rate correlates highly with IQ awareness) and I know how this board would hate more dumb players on this team.

I think the top4 of this draft is good (simmons/ingram/dragan/dunn).. would be nice to get a top2 pick but I can live with Dragan or Dunn - they're good.

After this guys I'd trust McD to do the best move possible (probably move up/trade this picks for future ones/stash more european guys)... I'm really struggling to even put some guys on tiers right now. Yikes

Perfect comp

Oddly enough, Shabazz was also slotted at #3 by DX. Hopefully McD wont follow this route.

[AtheJ415]

Jaylen Brown screams Shabazz Muhammed to me. His low steal rate is really, really bad (steal rate correlates highly with IQ awareness) and I know how this board would hate more dumb players on this team.

I think the top4 of this draft is good (simmons/ingram/dragan/dunn).. would be nice to get a top2 pick but I can live with Dragan or Dunn - they're good.

After this guys I'd trust McD to do the best move possible (probably move up/trade this picks for future ones/stash more european guys)... I'm really struggling to even put some guys on tiers right now. Yikes

Perfect comp

Oddly enough, Shabazz was also slotted at #3 by DX. Hopefully McD wont follow this route.

At what point in the season though? I don't recall them having Shabazz very high towards the end of that year.

[batsmasher]

Perfect comp

Oddly enough, Shabazz was also slotted at #3 by DX. Hopefully McD wont follow this route.

At what point in the season though? I don't recall them having Shabazz very high towards the end of that year.

He would've been #3 before the college season started I reckon. Was #18 come draft day.

[bwgood77]

Oddly enough, Shabazz was also slotted at #3 by DX. Hopefully McD wont follow this route.

At what point in the season though? I don't recall them having Shabazz very high towards the end of that year.

He would've been #3 before the college season started I reckon. Was #18 come draft day.

I'm pretty sure before the college season started he was 1 or 2 along with Noel and they switched back and forth...and Shabazz dropped as the season went on.

A good way to tell is to look at our draft thread from that year and see how long into the season people were penciling in Shabazz in our future lineup. I clearly remember people were all over him that year for a long time. Definitely most of the college season until LaVine started to outhype him as the season went on, despite not starting. I think part of the reason Shabazz dropped quite a bit is because people found out he (or maybe his dad) lied about his age at some point, or played against kids a year younger for years in hs or something like that.

[saintEscaton]

Oddly enough, Shabazz was also slotted at #3 by DX. Hopefully McD wont follow this route.

At what point in the season though? I don't recall them having Shabazz very high towards the end of that year.

He would've been #3 before the college season started I reckon. Was #18 come draft day.

Yeah his stock hasn't taken such a dramatic nose dive. Brown is a lock for Top 5 and could go before Bender if a team is impatient and doesn't want to incur the risk

[kennydorglas]

Perfect comp

Oddly enough, Shabazz was also slotted at #3 by DX. Hopefully McD wont follow this route.

At what point in the season though? I don't recall them having Shabazz very high towards the end of that year.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130304022034/http://www.draftexpress.com/
check it out... ranking from late february in 2013

interesting to see Gobert at #9

[kennydorglas]

Alkins committed to Arizona.
Sean Miller cant complain about lack of talent anymore

[DirtyDez]

Arizona still expects one of Jackson or Ferguson. Terrance Ferguson isn't human...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuYFy2TpLck[/youtube]

[jcsunsfan]

Never too early to start scouting for that 2021 pick. High school freshman here.

www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A56dd8e03-0000-2d47-9ead-94eb2c08cb3e&feature=iv&src_vid=UuYFy2TpLck&v=LR5IBdqHFNE

[Cactus Jack]

Never too early to start scouting for that 2021 pick. High school freshman here.

www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A56dd8e03-0000-2d47-9ead-94eb2c08cb3e&feature=iv&src_vid=UuYFy2TpLck&v=LR5IBdqHFNE

Someone really needs to check his birth certificate. Not buying it.

[AtheJ415]

At what point in the season though? I don't recall them having Shabazz very high towards the end of that year.

He would've been #3 before the college season started I reckon. Was #18 come draft day.

I'm pretty sure before the college season started he was 1 or 2 along with Noel and they switched back and forth...and Shabazz dropped as the season went on.

A good way to tell is to look at our draft thread from that year and see how long into the season people were penciling in Shabazz in our future lineup. I clearly remember people were all over him that year for a long time. Definitely most of the college season until LaVine started to outhype him as the season went on, despite not starting. I think part of the reason Shabazz dropped quite a bit is because people found out he (or maybe his dad) lied about his age at some point, or played against kids a year younger for years in hs or something like that.

Right, but that's kind of the point. Brown has played well enough to show his potential warrnts being selected top 5 by most projections. Shabazz dropped quickly. I get the common feeling that both may be overhyped, but I don't see any similarities beyond that. Honestly, aside from maybe Dunn I think Brown is the clearest cut 2 way player in this draft. He will defend, and he at worst would be an offensive slasher or fast break threat.

That said, the top 4 ought to be pretty clearly Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender. I think there's a drop off from there to Brown.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Jaylen Brown screams Shabazz Muhammed to me. His low steal rate is really, really bad (steal rate correlates highly with IQ awareness) and I know how this board would hate more dumb players on this team.

I think the top4 of this draft is good (simmons/ingram/dragan/dunn).. would be nice to get a top2 pick but I can live with Dragan or Dunn - they're good.

After this guys I'd trust McD to do the best move possible (probably move up/trade this picks for future ones/stash more european guys)... I'm really struggling to even put some guys on tiers right now. Yikes

Perfect comp

Oddly enough, Shabazz was also slotted at #3 by DX. Hopefully McD wont follow this route.

I see nothing in McD's draft history to suggest he'll take the athletic, overhyped guy. In fact, he's never taken the athlete - it's pretty clear he likes gym rats.

[bwgood77]

He would've been #3 before the college season started I reckon. Was #18 come draft day.

I'm pretty sure before the college season started he was 1 or 2 along with Noel and they switched back and forth...and Shabazz dropped as the season went on.

A good way to tell is to look at our draft thread from that year and see how long into the season people were penciling in Shabazz in our future lineup. I clearly remember people were all over him that year for a long time. Definitely most of the college season until LaVine started to outhype him as the season went on, despite not starting. I think part of the reason Shabazz dropped quite a bit is because people found out he (or maybe his dad) lied about his age at some point, or played against kids a year younger for years in hs or something like that.

Right, but that's kind of the point. Brown has played well enough to show his potential warrnts being selected top 5 by most projections. Shabazz dropped quickly. I get the common feeling that both may be overhyped, but I don't see any similarities beyond that. Honestly, aside from maybe Dunn I think Brown is the clearest cut 2 way player in this draft. He will defend, and he at worst would be an offensive slasher or fast break threat.

That said, the top 4 ought to be pretty clearly Simmons, Ingram, Dunn, Bender. I think there's a drop off from there to Brown.

Well lets see. You saying he played well enough, when he actually had very similar across the board numbers as Shabazz, except for two key places, 3 pt shooting, which is a desired trait in the league today, and turnovers, doesn't bode well. He is better getting to the rim (not as important, particlarly when a 64% ft shooter), and a better defender. Some key traits which indicate good translation, such as steals, neither impressed much.

If he can learn to shoot, he might be ok at some point, but that's not a skill you want to be missing from your arsenal these days.

[No-Man]

Arizona still expects one of Jackson or Ferguson. Terrance Ferguson isn't human...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuYFy2TpLck[/youtube]

Ferg is going to Baylor, or at least that is the rumour, and JJ looks more and more like Kansas bound with possibly Maker.

I am not so sure about Arizona's rotation with all those combo big guards.

Allen/Jackson-Cartwright
Simon/Simmons
Trier/Alkins
Smith/Markkanen
Ristic/Comanche

How would even Josh fit? Is Pitts gone for good?