Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 3

[jcsunsfan]

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Since when is great Monroe "disgruntled"? He's been a total pro.

[carey]

Right? He just got here. He can't be disgruntled already.

[carey]

(4) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Agreement,
if a player is a Veteran Free Agent following the second or third
Season of his Rookie Scale Contract (where the first Option Year
or second Option Year (as applicable) to extend such Contract was
not exercised), then any new Player Contract between the player
and the Team that signed him to his Rookie Scale Contract
(and/or, if such Contract was subsequently assigned, any such
assignee Team) may provide for Regular Salary, Likely Bonuses and
Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year of up to the Regular
Salary, Likely Bonuses and Unlikely Bonuses, respectively, that the
player would have received for such Salary Cap Year had his first
or second Option Year (as applicable) been exercised. Annual
increases and decreases in Salary and Unlikely Bonuses shall be
governed by Section 5(c)(2) above.

All that means is that you have to treat his next contract like he did play his 4th year option year (insomuch as how much he can make and what his raises will be.) Also in regards to the previous poster, Okafor is not on the QO. He had his 4th year option declined. That is vastly different than the Len situation. Bird rights accrue after 3 years so even though he's an UFA should you trade for him you can still go over the cap to sign him.

[bwgood77]

(4) Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in this Agreement,
if a player is a Veteran Free Agent following the second or third
Season of his Rookie Scale Contract (where the first Option Year
or second Option Year (as applicable) to extend such Contract was
not exercised), then any new Player Contract between the player
and the Team that signed him to his Rookie Scale Contract
(and/or, if such Contract was subsequently assigned, any such
assignee Team) may provide for Regular Salary, Likely Bonuses and
Unlikely Bonuses in the first Salary Cap Year of up to the Regular
Salary, Likely Bonuses and Unlikely Bonuses, respectively, that the
player would have received for such Salary Cap Year had his first
or second Option Year (as applicable) been exercised. Annual
increases and decreases in Salary and Unlikely Bonuses shall be
governed by Section 5(c)(2) above.

All that means is that you have to treat his next contract like he did play his 4th year option year (insomuch as how much he can make and what his raises will be.) Also in regards to the previous poster, Okafor is not on the QO. He had his 4th year option declined. That is vastly different than the Len situation. Bird rights accrue after 3 years so even though he's an UFA should you trade for him you can still go over the cap to sign him.

I thought Len's bird rights didn't transfer in a trade and that is partly why he might not agree to one?

[thamadkant]

The Suns need to address the following IMO

1. Get a veteran NBA-level PG who can be the voice of reason and focus on play making and teaching the youth on the court. Mike James is not an NBA level player and he is getting by on effort and not on talent. Ulis has picked up some really bad tunnel vision and stat-padding mentality (Eg. Won't give up the ball unless he can get an easy assist or launch a shot), which leads to him holding on the ball stalling the offense.


2. Get Chriss and Bender developmental coaching. Chriss lacks the IQ and smarts to be effective, I feel that if he continues like this, he will be Stromile Swift V2.0. Bender needs someone to develop his mindset approach to every play, he's got the skill set and understanding of the game, but lacks the energetic output to be an impact player on the court consistently.


3. A coach who can focus and enforce defense and Intensity... Players who take plays off or make undisciplined plays are benched for players who will put in the energy and enforce team plan.
Am I the only one who sees the Suns as suffering from the "Inmates running the asylum" case?
Players need to be disciplined and need to be focused on team goals and not individual spot lights... this has been the case for the last 5 years.... players playing for themselves (not all, but a lot).

I watch many teams and notice most good teams have role players or players on the court in general, who don't get "frustrated" visibly when they don't get the ball offensively even when open and their efforts defensively remains high. But Suns, you see players get frustrated when they don't get the ball and they let it affect their energy back defensively. It's so bad on the Suns... too many players caring about their stats or offensive contribution rather than overall effect on the team.


4. Dudley needs more on court time to help teach players plays on the court.

[NTB]

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[thamadkant]

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Dudley did land awkward when Josh bumped him. Could be the veterans are encouraged to sit out as much as possible for the Timeline... or they have been advised to also that they could be traded out so reducing injury risks is paramount for the FO.

I hope Dudley stays though. But I can see a playoff team being interested.

[n4th4n4]

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Dudley did land awkward when Josh bumped him. Could be the veterans are encouraged to sit out as much as possible for the Timeline... or they have been advised to also that they could be traded out so reducing injury risks is paramount for the FO.

I hope Dudley stays though. But I can see a playoff team being interested.

Or... he could just have a bone bruise that takes a week or two to recover from

[thamadkant]

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Dudley did land awkward when Josh bumped him. Could be the veterans are encouraged to sit out as much as possible for the Timeline... or they have been advised to also that they could be traded out so reducing injury risks is paramount for the FO.

I hope Dudley stays though. But I can see a playoff team being interested.

Or... he could just have a bone bruise that takes a week or two to recover from

that was the first thing I said on my post, but interpreting is hard for you so you roll your eye instead

[n4th4n4]

Dudley did land awkward when Josh bumped him. Could be the veterans are encouraged to sit out as much as possible for the Timeline... or they have been advised to also that they could be traded out so reducing injury risks is paramount for the FO.

I hope Dudley stays though. But I can see a playoff team being interested.

Or... he could just have a bone bruise that takes a week or two to recover from

that was the first thing I said on my post, but interpreting is hard for you so you roll your eye instead

No. You said he landed awkwardly. Then you qualified it with a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense.

[carey]

All that means is that you have to treat his next contract like he did play his 4th year option year (insomuch as how much he can make and what his raises will be.) Also in regards to the previous poster, Okafor is not on the QO. He had his 4th year option declined. That is vastly different than the Len situation. Bird rights accrue after 3 years so even though he's an UFA should you trade for him you can still go over the cap to sign him.

I thought Len's bird rights didn't transfer in a trade and that is partly why he might not agree to one?

That's correct. I'm talking about Okafor's Bird rights.

[bwgood77]

All that means is that you have to treat his next contract like he did play his 4th year option year (insomuch as how much he can make and what his raises will be.) Also in regards to the previous poster, Okafor is not on the QO. He had his 4th year option declined. That is vastly different than the Len situation. Bird rights accrue after 3 years so even though he's an UFA should you trade for him you can still go over the cap to sign him.

I thought Len's bird rights didn't transfer in a trade and that is partly why he might not agree to one?

That's correct. I'm talking about Okafor's Bird rights.

Well it sounds like, based on what I read and then posted here, that a team that trades for him is still limited to what they can pay him to the amount of what his 4th year team option would have been and other teams could offer more.

[thamadkant]

Or... he could just have a bone bruise that takes a week or two to recover from

that was the first thing I said on my post, but interpreting is hard for you so you roll your eye instead

No. You said he landed awkwardly. Then you qualified it with a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense.

Dudley fell down, because Josh Jackson fell on his knees.... Common sourced of knee bruise, because the knee joint gets jolted in an way its not meant to, causing the the meniscus to be compressed additionally leading to the bones suffering more pressure or even the knee bending causing the bones to make contact where the meniscus could not protect it.

SOURCE:
I have a partial MENISCUS surgically removed after my ACL reconstruction, I get sore knee after running or playing basketball and my physio diagnose it as bone bruising on the meniscus removal site.

Yes, so I suffered from bone bruising maybe 3-4 times the last 3 months.

Unless Dudley suffered bone from another incident post game, which I doubt... because he would be nursing that legs after the incident. And it cant be from practice... since Suns are playing back to back.

[Mulhollanddrive]

No redo's Milwaukee lol.

[LukasBMW]

May as well have Monroe suit up and see if he can outplay Chandler/Len.

If his attitude really is right, let's try to win some god damn games this year. Our team deserves it. Maybe the basketball gods will still reward us with a nice pick?

[carey]

No redo's Milwaukee lol.

Everyone on Twitter before the game... "but Bledsoe will be trying this time."

Lonzo, who has been largely crap, scored 19 with a triple double. Bledsoe had 11/2/2 and was 0-6 from 3. Lol.

[RaisingArizona]

IB4 the McD is a god comments!

[asudevil]

I thought Len's bird rights didn't transfer in a trade and that is partly why he might not agree to one?

That's correct. I'm talking about Okafor's Bird rights.

Well it sounds like, based on what I read and then posted here, that a team that trades for him is still limited to what they can pay him to the amount of what his 4th year team option would have been and other teams could offer more.

I've looked everywhere for something to at least partially disprove this....but cant.

The rule does make sense on a limited basis, but i would have thought that the CBA would have included a clause that this rule does not transfer if the player is traded mid season. But there isnt one.

If I'm the sixers, then Okafor has no value in the league. Why would a team trade for him hoping he plays well, and then get themselves priced out of resigning him? Every team is better off letting him do well on another team, and give themselves the opportunity to bid on him next offseason.

The suns have nothing to gain by trading for Okafor. Either he sucks and we dont want to resign him next year, or he does well, and we are restricted to the amount we can resign him and he goes somewhere else for more money.

[King4Day]

Okafor would still be worth trading for. If we got him here and he played really well, he would understand that it's a system that works for him. Maybe we do an under the table deal where we'll pay him well if he stays one more year.
But I guess if a team offers a crap load more, you really need to do what's best for yourself and family. Even if it means being in a cruddy situation.

[King4Day]

Also, reading the article about the Cavs' interest in Monroe, the writer says the Cavs are interested and then goes on to list all the reasons they likely won't make a play for him.
I'm sure all teams have some semblance of interest. If we do buy him out, I imagine he'll find his way to Golden state. That's where I'd go if I were him. Get a ring and showcase what you still have. Then sign with whoever pays the most this summer