Pre Draft Discussion

[tria]

Euro league is super overrated.

People that cant make the NBA or even D-league go to Europe for the pay checks. Because its a much weaker league.

Lets look at the players from the USA playing for real Madrid for example (Doncics team):

Chasson Randle averaged 20/3/3 at standford couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Anthony Randolph averaged 16/9/1 at LSU couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Jaycee carroll averaged 22/6/2 at Utah state couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Trey Thompkins averaged 16/8/2 at Georgia couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Point is Euro League is filled with sheet. Its got Americas garbage and old flabby men.

Its so overrated that a young kid like doncic can win MVP. Jokes. Jokes....and more jokes.

Professional basketball players that are not good enough to play in Tier one (NBA) go play in Tier 2 competition (Euroleague). What exactly is your point? In their shoes you would what, go work at 9 to 5 job for 50k per year instead of getting 1M+ to play basketball?

From stats above this guys were good NCAA players, then matured, improved, polished their game for years, but are now somehow still worse than some 19 year old.

Oh heck yeah I would go to Europe and get paid. Easy league easy money.

Like I said before you condense the NCAA to only 20 teams so all the top NBA prospects are on each one...Euroleague would look like a joke. Not one Euro team would be able to beat an NCAA team. The fact that Euro League has to use college scrubs on their rosters....Imagine them playing against college talent.

FORGET ABOUT IT. Euro league is so overrated its annoying.

Chasson Randle:
College:

Prior to his junior season, Randle was moved to the point guard position, in large part due to an injury to former starter Aaron Bright. He responded well to the move, averaging 18.8 points per game, earning first-team All-Pac-12 Conference and leading Stanford to the Sweet 16 of the 2014 NCAA tournament.[9]

G-League:

On October 31, 2016, he was acquired by the Westchester Knicks of the NBA Development League as an affiliate player of New York.[22] In 19 games with the Knicks, he averaged 21 points, four rebounds, three assists and one steal in 32 minutes while shooting 40% from three-point range.

Euroleague:

Over 23 EuroLeague games, Randle averaged 2.6 points and 1 rebound per game.

No point going further. I agree with Archx, you must be trolling at this point.

[bwgood77]

So he's more scottie pippen than jordan... red flag

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[mabundo_nagumbe]

Euro league is super overrated.

People that cant make the NBA or even D-league go to Europe for the pay checks. Because its a much weaker league.

Lets look at the players from the USA playing for real Madrid for example (Doncics team):

Chasson Randle averaged 20/3/3 at standford couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Anthony Randolph averaged 16/9/1 at LSU couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Jaycee carroll averaged 22/6/2 at Utah state couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Trey Thompkins averaged 16/8/2 at Georgia couldn't make the NBA took a pay check in Europe.

Point is Euro League is filled with sheet. Its got Americas garbage and old flabby men.

Its so overrated that a young kid like doncic can win MVP. Jokes. Jokes....and more jokes.

Do you realise that you just gave me an argument, that if Ayton avaraged 20/10, he might just not make it in nba and go to Europe? I mean, look at how much points players above averaged in NCAA and they are still in Europe.
My argument is pointless, but so is yours. Get your **** together man

None of these guys stats are close to Aytons and all these guys were 4 YEAR PLAYERS.

HUGE difference.

You want their freshman stats?

no, I couldn't care less

[SuperSunsFan]

Professional basketball players that are not good enough to play in Tier one (NBA) go play in Tier 2 competition (Euroleague). What exactly is your point? In their shoes you would what, go work at 9 to 5 job for 50k per year instead of getting 1M+ to play basketball?

From stats above this guys were good NCAA players, then matured, improved, polished their game for years, but are now somehow still worse than some 19 year old.

Oh heck yeah I would go to Europe and get paid. Easy league easy money.

Like I said before you condense the NCAA to only 20 teams so all the top NBA prospects are on each one...Euroleague would look like a joke. Not one Euro team would be able to beat an NCAA team. The fact that Euro League has to use college scrubs on their rosters....Imagine them playing against college talent.

FORGET ABOUT IT. Euro league is so overrated its annoying.

How many Euroleague games have you watched ?

you can learn a lot abot the quality of a league by looking at the players playing in it. They pay top dollars for people who can't play in NBA to dominate in that league, each year their top players were former NBA scrubs and rejects, how irrational can Doncic fan boys be. So what Doncic is a fast learner who learned to use his not suited for NBA skill sets to dominate a garbage league at 18. Jeremy Lin dominated NBA for a month, should he be the first overall pick.

[8on]

We all know the Euroleague isn’t nearly as strong as the NBA.

[SlovenianDragon]

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Some1 who doesnt complain on social media about how much they were tipped. And Ill bet I tip more than anyone here. And I work for tips. I would never complain about how much money I got from any individual. I really dont care. Im smart with my money and save it. If one table tips me 0 I dont care. Say thank You and move on. Theres nothing you can do.

[Kerrsed]

The NBADraftGod twitter is saying Kemba is going to be shopped for an extra pick. I can't imagine Orlando giving up #6 so this might be us bidding against their remaining picks or future picks. I wonder if he can be made for primarily 16 and maybe 31 instead of having to include Warren. If they wanted to do it on draft night as this suggests, Warren is tough to include anyways because I believe his extension won't have kicked in.

If that is the case, Sauce can be used as an expiring to give them salary relief. Throw in Dudley, who while not a good contract, the return is the 2 picks and 2 million in cap savings. Or if they wanted Knight we could just do Knight and 16 for Kemba or something like that.

I have a feeling we will end up with Goran or Kemba and will not have to include Warren, Chriss, or Bender like many assume. I think it would be for 2 picks max.

The NBA Draft God twitter? That's a joke account. The names of the two guys behind it our Bill Simmons' dogs and a character from the Saw franchise.

Actually the 2nd name is Simmons Dad, who was a Superintendent in the Easton School District.

[8on]

Maybe Deandre wasn’t pleased with the restaurant service? I have the right not to tip if, for example, the server messes up the order, makes me wait an unreasonable amount of time, they bring several items that don’t taste good, the drinks don’t seem right, the server has a terrible attitude, etc. There’s no guarantee that she’s good at her job.

[Sunsdeuce]

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[bwgood77]

Oh heck yeah I would go to Europe and get paid. Easy league easy money.

Like I said before you condense the NCAA to only 20 teams so all the top NBA prospects are on each one...Euroleague would look like a joke. Not one Euro team would be able to beat an NCAA team. The fact that Euro League has to use college scrubs on their rosters....Imagine them playing against college talent.

FORGET ABOUT IT. Euro league is so overrated its annoying.

How many Euroleague games have you watched ?

you can learn a lot abot the quality of a league by looking at the players playing in it. They pay top dollars for people who can't play in NBA to dominate in that league, each year their top players were former NBA scrubs and rejects, how irrational can Doncic fan boys be. So what Doncic is a fast learner who learned to use his not suited for NBA skill sets to dominate a garbage league at 18. Jeremy Lin dominated NBA for a month, should he be the first overall pick.

80-90% of NCAA players don't even play in ANY pro league after college, because they are not good enough. Ayton, for example, only
faced like 5-7 guys who might get drafted, and only probably three that go in the first round.

Just about every player and team Doncic faced was a higher level player than just about every player Ayton faced. Even if a handful of guys Ayton faced end up playing in a europe league one day, it would still probably take them a while and some hard work to be playing in games such as the championship today.

[SlovenianDragon]

Man draft day cant come soon enough we are grasping at straws here....

[bwgood77]

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Which kind of people do you feel are worth tipping?

Some1 who doesnt complain on social media about how much they were tipped. And Ill bet I tip more than anyone here. And I work for tips. I would never complain about how much money I got from any individual. I really dont care. Im smart with my money and save it. If one table tips me 0 I dont care. Say thank You and move on. Theres nothing you can do.

Says the person bashing some girl on a basketball forum. A lot of people complain about their day at work on social media, especially younger people. I mean I don't and think it's kind of ridiculous, but it's not going to make me give them crappy tips if they come across them.

[JMac1]

I'm not sure I agree with this. I believe he would be a consensus #1 for more teams than not. He's just too talented and has too much potential. Especially since Doncic appears to be falling so other teams can take big men.
If we had the #2 pick, I would expect us to take Doncic, even if other teams wouldn't. But teams like the Kings, who you hear may take Bagley with their pick, would most def take Ayton.

Before the lottery, everyone wanted Ayton. People use one game because they want him to fall. Best talent in the draft. I dare anyone to name someone better as a whole. Skill, check. Size, check. Athleticism, check. Stats, check. Bagley would be next in line.

I don't know...we had polls throughout the season and it was split...Doncic actually won more often than not...this was pre lottery. People have more so shifted towards Ayton post lottery.

Yup...

[juanc]

Also let's see who are the euro players drafted in the 1st round in the past 5 years

2013
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Dennis Schröder
Sergey Karasev( I really don't know how he could be drafted so high, he had 0 nba potential...)
Rudy Gobert
Nemanja Nedović

2014
Dario Šarić
Jusuf Nurkić
Clint Capella
Bogdan Bogdanović
and there is Nikola Jokič in the 2nd round

2015
Kristaps Porzingis
Mario Hezonja(I was expecting Mario to go in the middle of the 1st round, he was def not worthy a top10 pick)
Nikola Milutinov

2016
Dragan Bender(TBH I was shocked that you guys took him that high. He was a definition of an unknown player, he had almost no pro games in europe before getting drafted...)
Jakob Poltl(was playing college ball)
Domantas Sabonis(college)
Georgios Papagiannis(Vlade at it's finest )
Juan Hernangomez
Ante Žižič
Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz(What the hell was he doing in the first round?)

Now who do ou think are the guys with the highest bbal IQ/feel for the game?
Giannis, Jokič, Šarič, Bogdanovič and KP? I know that you guys would like every oneof them for your team. And Luka has a higher bbal IQ than anyone of them.
IMO feel for the game in addition with motor always translates to the league

[SlovenianDragon]

Which kind of people do you feel are worth tipping?

Some1 who doesnt complain on social media about how much they were tipped. And Ill bet I tip more than anyone here. And I work for tips. I would never complain about how much money I got from any individual. I really dont care. Im smart with my money and save it. If one table tips me 0 I dont care. Say thank You and move on. Theres nothing you can do.

Says the person bashing some girl on a basketball forum.

Whats the difference? If you want to expose yourself to the internet expect the internet.

alright back to basketball!

[Archx]

Well the only thing holding Doncic back at the moment is his athleticism and body work. Like JMac1 said, if he was faster more agile and was more explosive, he would be a monster already. But that is something he will have to work on a lot in the next years. I think he will have some problems first few years, while Ayton has the potential to be much better from the start because NBA is more athletic than euroleague.

[bwgood77]

The NBADraftGod twitter is saying Kemba is going to be shopped for an extra pick. I can't imagine Orlando giving up #6 so this might be us bidding against their remaining picks or future picks. I wonder if he can be made for primarily 16 and maybe 31 instead of having to include Warren. If they wanted to do it on draft night as this suggests, Warren is tough to include anyways because I believe his extension won't have kicked in.

If that is the case, Sauce can be used as an expiring to give them salary relief. Throw in Dudley, who while not a good contract, the return is the 2 picks and 2 million in cap savings. Or if they wanted Knight we could just do Knight and 16 for Kemba or something like that.

I have a feeling we will end up with Goran or Kemba and will not have to include Warren, Chriss, or Bender like many assume. I think it would be for 2 picks max.

The NBA Draft God twitter? That's a joke account. The names of the two guys behind it our Bill Simmons' dogs and a character from the Saw franchise.

Actually the 2nd name is Simmons Dad, who was a Superintendent in the Easton School District.

Makes more sense.

[sunsbg]

We all know the Euroleague isn’t nearly as strong as the NBA.

Yet a better team-first basketball is played. We european fans are fortunate to watch both the euro and NBA brands.

[bwgood77]

So many ways to twist Analytics to support any argument you want to make. That’s what I see with Doncic lovers, they twist and turn every number to make Doncic some type of superstar. But Ayton “isn’t a winner” is one of their arguments.

In four years at Wake Forest, Tim Duncan went no higher than the elite eight and only made it that far once. But in the NBA he only carried the Spurs to 5 championships.

If you look at Aytons year at UofA and Duncan’s final year in College, their stats are almost identical.

I’m not saying they are anything alike, I’m saying people need to stop with the “Ayton didn’t accomplish anything in college” argument.

He actually did.

If you want to make that argument then I’ll argue Doncic played great in a joke of a league. Mike James puts up almost the same numbers as Doncic but can’t make it in the NBA. Sorry if I’m skeptical of Doncic in a big way. The euro league is overrated and hasn’t produced a whole lot of talent to be honest.

Name 5 superstars that came from the euro league from the last 5-10...shoot go back 20 years, I sure can’t. I can easily name 5 from the last 5-10 years college.

Doncic is setting up to be one of ur biggest busts in recent memory and a large part is too many people are crowning him the goat before he steps onto the real floor.


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Maybe not all superstars but lots of good or great players from europe over the last 5 years....

Giannis, Gobert, Jokic, Porzingis, Capela and some lesser names like Saric, Bogdanovic, Sabonis, etc..

[SlovenianDragon]

Well the only thing holding Doncic back at the moment is his athleticism and body work. Like JMac1 said, if he was faster more agile and was more explosive, he would be a monster already. But that is something he will have to work on a lot in the next years. I think he will have some problems first few years, while Ayton has the potential to be much better from the start because NBA is more athletic than euroleague.

IMO those are things you cant change. You cant learn to be faster and you cant learn to more agile. The only thing he could do is get stronger. Would help him around the rim but could also just make him even slower.

You can take a guy like Jared Dudley and just only train him to be the most agile best dunker in the league....Its not going to happen.

You cant teach athleticism.