Alll Amare Talk Here: Thread 7

[TheJohnWallShow]

why do u want amare to cavs? for JJ hickson?? really?? i think if the suns are not going to trade amare, i think its time to mend the relationship! a S&T is always possible so do not expect the suns to do a knee jerk signing. this league is a stars league and JJ hickson is not a star!! get it thru u guys' thick heads. I think wade is still closer to leaving than staying so the heat is on Riley!. Kerr needs to be smart about this. the cavs deal was crap! the miami deal is better but its a low ball trade. admit it, amare is stayin!

A sign and trade will get us even crappier offers this summer, since teams know that they don't need to give up any assets to obtain Amare; they can just sign him outright.

Hickson, Ilgauskus, 30th pick was not a good offer, but seriously, Hickson and the 30th pick>nothing! Unless we extend him(and the chances of that happening are pretty slim), then we are double screwed when he walks this summer. You can't let him walk. You can't do that. You have to get SOME value for him, or you extend him. Those are your only options.

Key word there is SIGN and trade, by signing him, we have rights to him and teams cant just sign him themselves.

[rsavaj]

why do u want amare to cavs? for JJ hickson?? really?? i think if the suns are not going to trade amare, i think its time to mend the relationship! a S&T is always possible so do not expect the suns to do a knee jerk signing. this league is a stars league and JJ hickson is not a star!! get it thru u guys' thick heads. I think wade is still closer to leaving than staying so the heat is on Riley!. Kerr needs to be smart about this. the cavs deal was crap! the miami deal is better but its a low ball trade. admit it, amare is stayin!

A sign and trade will get us even crappier offers this summer, since teams know that they don't need to give up any assets to obtain Amare; they can just sign him outright.

Hickson, Ilgauskus, 30th pick was not a good offer, but seriously, Hickson and the 30th pick>nothing! Unless we extend him(and the chances of that happening are pretty slim), then we are double screwed when he walks this summer. You can't let him walk. You can't do that. You have to get SOME value for him, or you extend him. Those are your only options.

Absolutely. That's the only choice we have now. He wants 4 years, we're giving two. Compromise, do it for 3. The end. Yes, it's going to SUCK if something happens to his knee and we're stuck with his contract post new CBA, but it'll only be for another year. If Amare's hell-bent on 4 years...then things get a little tough.
Which is why we should extend him now.

[rsavaj]

why do u want amare to cavs? for JJ hickson?? really?? i think if the suns are not going to trade amare, i think its time to mend the relationship! a S&T is always possible so do not expect the suns to do a knee jerk signing. this league is a stars league and JJ hickson is not a star!! get it thru u guys' thick heads. I think wade is still closer to leaving than staying so the heat is on Riley!. Kerr needs to be smart about this. the cavs deal was crap! the miami deal is better but its a low ball trade. admit it, amare is stayin!

A sign and trade will get us even crappier offers this summer, since teams know that they don't need to give up any assets to obtain Amare; they can just sign him outright.

Hickson, Ilgauskus, 30th pick was not a good offer, but seriously, Hickson and the 30th pick>nothing! Unless we extend him(and the chances of that happening are pretty slim), then we are double screwed when he walks this summer. You can't let him walk. You can't do that. You have to get SOME value for him, or you extend him. Those are your only options.

Key word there is SIGN and trade, by signing him, we have rights to him and teams cant just sign him themselves.

Signing him to an extension and then trading him later is not the same thing as a "sign and trade". If you wait this summer to do a "sign and trade", the other team has to be willing to engage in a trade with you, and there is no reason that a team should/would do that when they can just sign Amare outright.

[Arles]

I think what happens is he opts out and goes to Miami. Miami knows he really wants to play there. There won't be much competition. I'm sure he'd still get more money from Miami than Phoenix would ever offer. Yeah, he can get more money if we uses the Suns and their bird rights, but do you seriously think ANY team wants to sign him to a REAL max deal? About the only thing their bird rights will do for them is allow them to offer 6 years instead of 5.

So, Miami want Amare badly, but won't offer more than a first round pick and spare parts for him? A max deal would be 30% of the cap for 5 years - which is only about $5 mil more than what the Suns would be offering with a 4-year extension to his offer. So, if they aren't offering the max and don't think he's important enough to trade for to make a championship run - why should Amare think he's getting the same money from Miami as he would from Phoenix? The only way that happens is if he gets a max deal from Miami (who would basically be competing against themselves to sign him).

That's a pretty dangerous game - esp if it comes out that Riley likes Boozer more than Amare (as it's rumored) and goes in that direction.

[TheJohnWallShow]

Suns, officially fail to make the right moves yet again. Someone bring new management in before we compete with the Nets for losses in a season. Keeping Amare= terrible business decision, I cant believe Sarver agreed to this dumb idea.

[realsunsfan]

Well in my opinion, the fact that Sarver made a personal visit to Amare last night in Dallas to tell him the team has no intention of trading him before todays deadline is a good indication they plan on keeping him longterm and a contract extension will be worked out. Otherwise he could have just called Amare to tell him they are not trading him, or just had Kerr tell him.

[ma_falaa_50]

i think the organization should extend him and build around him. how many times have i said that BOOZE is in it for the money! he would leave the suns faster than amare.

[justinb80]

i think the organization should extend him and build around him. how many times have i said that BOOZE is in it for the money! he would leave the suns faster than amare.

I think the chances are good now that the Suns extend him. However, this does not mean the team wants to rebuild around him. I actually thinking locking him up long-term makes it much easier to deal him. They'll have to stick with him for a little while, most likely, to avoid base year compensation BS, but still.

[Classick]

Suns, officially fail to make the right moves yet again. Someone bring new management in before we compete with the Nets for losses in a season. Keeping Amare= terrible business decision, I cant believe Sarver agreed to this dumb idea.

Yeah, because trading him for trash and late first round picks was CLEARLY the better idea.

Amare will resign. No one will give him the max. If anyone does, it'll be a team that Amare wants nothing to do with. He's said that he'd prefer to stay in Phoenix.

[TheJohnWallShow]

Watch Riley trade Beasley to Utah now for Boozer. Id seriously fly to south beach and put Nair in his can of Dapper Dan.

[rsavaj]

Suns, officially fail to make the right moves yet again. Someone bring new management in before we compete with the Nets for losses in a season. Keeping Amare= terrible business decision, I cant believe Sarver agreed to this dumb idea.

Yeah, because trading him for trash and late first round picks was CLEARLY the better idea.

Amare will resign. No one will give him the max. If anyone does, it'll be a team that Amare wants nothing to do with. He's said that he'd prefer to stay in Phoenix.

They don't have to give him the max. They can give him more than we'd ever offer.

[DirtyDez]

What's the latest?

[Qwigglez]

Well in my opinion, the fact that Sarver made a personal visit to Amare last night in Dallas to tell him the team has no intention of trading him before todays deadline is a good indication they plan on keeping him longterm and a contract extension will be worked out. Otherwise he could have just called Amare to tell him they are not trading him, or just had Kerr tell him.

Actually Sarver had a business meeting in Austin, took a bus to Dallas to save money, asked Cuban to hook him up with a free ticket to the game in exchange for four free tickets over the next two years at US Airways and Cuban agreed to that offer.

[TheJohnWallShow]

Hopefully Amare re signs, Suns need to make SOME move today though. This team is going nowhere fast as it stands and this offseason does not look promising. What is the point of holding off until then

[justinb80]

If the Suns let Amare walk for nothing in free agency, THEN they will have officially failed in regards to Amare.

[OrangeNation]

We have no tradable asset that has values, beside Amare...

[Classick]

Suns, officially fail to make the right moves yet again. Someone bring new management in before we compete with the Nets for losses in a season. Keeping Amare= terrible business decision, I cant believe Sarver agreed to this dumb idea.

Yeah, because trading him for trash and late first round picks was CLEARLY the better idea.

Amare will resign. No one will give him the max. If anyone does, it'll be a team that Amare wants nothing to do with. He's said that he'd prefer to stay in Phoenix.

They don't have to give him the max. They can give him more than we'd ever offer.

There aren't any contenders with the cap space to do that, unless I'm overlooking someone. I'm certain that Amare would prefer to play in Phoenix, over some playoff filler team in the East.

[TheJohnWallShow]

Kerr is gonna just let this team rot out because he doesnt want to be responsible for the Suns 1st 10 win game season and catch all the heat for it. He doesnt want to be the GM going into rebuilding mode, hes gonna toss that onto the next guy.

Spurs will be pattin him on the back givin him high fives on a job well done of Operation: Dismantle Suns Franchise for Years to Come

[DirtyDez]

This sucks. Should've taken the Miami deal.

[Arles]

Suns, officially fail to make the right moves yet again. Someone bring new management in before we compete with the Nets for losses in a season. Keeping Amare= terrible business decision, I cant believe Sarver agreed to this dumb idea.

Yeah, because trading him for trash and late first round picks was CLEARLY the better idea.

Amare will resign. No one will give him the max. If anyone does, it'll be a team that Amare wants nothing to do with. He's said that he'd prefer to stay in Phoenix.

They don't have to give him the max. They can give him more than we'd ever offer.

I'm not sure how that would work. The max will be around $15-16 mil a season (given where the cap figures to be). If the Suns do the 5-year, $74 mil deal bantered about - that would average almost $15 mil. So, the Heat will need a max offer to go over what the Suns could do.

But, again, what if Amare opts out, Chicago goes for Bosh, Miami for Boozer and the Clippers (Lebron?) and Knicks (Mike D) both pass? Now, he's forced to go to New Jersey for whatever they want to pay or come back to the table with Phoenix (with no $17 mil option).

Just seems stupid for him to opt out - but who knows I guess.