Trade Discussion Thread 2: DRAGIC/PICK FOR BROOKS Page 21

[Sun Scorched]

I do not know if signing him effects us using the MLE or what ever methods we decide on to add additional an FA.

It won't.

[JohnVancouver]

Brooks' FAASB% > Dragic's, however Dragic's ATSS% dwarfs Brooks'
Its a wash on their BUTNL% But I think Brooks gets the edge in LLSF%

of course there will be those who can always counter with Dragic's DAH #s

and if you add it all up, you get SFA

[TheJohnWallShow]

Brooks has only played two games for us. That is not enough time to make an accurate judgement of his level of play. As Susn fan's, I doubt you have really seen enough of Brooks in Rockets uniform to even make an accurate judgement either. (Unless your'e Rocketman44)

Lets just wait for a 10-20 more games, and then start the debate's on who is better. Because right now, I bet my left nut that half the stuff people are saying about Brook's strength's and weaknesses are not from actually seeing him play, but from using him in 2K11 or reading other people's posts.

Im a Suns fan yes, but I also am a fan of the NCAA and the NBA in general. Well your doubts would be wrong because ive seen Brooks play plenty, from Oregon to Houston so I think I am credible to make an accurate judgement.

As for toughness not mattering in the NBA, thats pretty dumb. For Dragic running the offense for him was dribble around in circles rarely getting past his man, and shooting up ill-contested jumpers, which usually fall short. Yeah his passes looked nice, but flash doesnt make you a solid player. Leave it to the sour fans thinking we really had something special in Dragic to dig up numbers and percentages to prove whos better. Try watching them both and you can tell Brooks is ahead of Dragic in the game. If not, then keep your faulty opinion I guess.

[lespaul89]

Defense is important, but a healthy balance of defense and the ability to execute offensively is what truly wins basketball games. There are plenty of really good defensive teams that never win a playoff series because they can't score.

Example

That is absolute baloney. A pg that cannot run an offense is nearly worthless. A pg that does not play defense at a high level can still be quite effective. That's why defensive specialists are almost always wing players. You can really contribute one the wing playing D without much offense. But you cannot do that a pg.

A PG that cannot play defense is nearly worthless.

[koogiking]

Defense is important, but a healthy balance of defense and the ability to execute offensively is what truly wins basketball games. There are plenty of really good defensive teams that never win a playoff series because they can't score.

Example

This year's Milwakee Bucks, last years Bobcats. The hornets

[koogiking]

A PG that cannot play defense is nearly worthless.

Steve Nash isn't worthless

[Dalerax]

When will people learn to stop reviving dead topics?

[Sun Scorched]

DIE TOPIC! DIE!!!!!

[NapoleonII]

Defense is important, but a healthy balance of defense and the ability to execute offensively is what truly wins basketball games. There are plenty of really good defensive teams that never win a playoff series because they can't score.

Example

That is absolute baloney. A pg that cannot run an offense is nearly worthless. A pg that does not play defense at a high level can still be quite effective. That's why defensive specialists are almost always wing players. You can really contribute one the wing playing D without much offense. But you cannot do that a pg.

A PG that cannot play defense is nearly worthless.

Wrong team, wrong board, wrong decade.

[Kerrsed]

Well, since this is the most recent "Trade Thread", i guess i will post in here. Ive been thinking about what Traxxe said, and have been doing a lot of thinking, and this is an idea i have come up with.

Traxxe mentioned trading Nash in the offseason for a young prospect and a high 1st round pick. So i was thinking about the teams that would have high draft picks in the draft this year:

Cavs/Wizards/Kings/Wolves/Raptors/Jazz/Pistons.

Only 1 team stands out here as a possible "Nash Contender", and that is Toronto. They would love to have Kid Canada spend his remaining 3(?) years as their PG. Is he an upgrade over Calderon? Definitely. Would the Raptors make a killing in jersey/ticket sales? Undeniably. Do they have Young talent to send are way? Absolutely!

Nash/Lopez to TOR for Davis/Bayless/Derozan/2011 1st.

With the emergence of Johnson this year, it makes Davis a little more expendable. TOR could roll with a starting 5 of: Nash/Barbosa/Kleiza/Bargnani/Lopez. Doesnt that look like a Nash led Suns line-up. Bargnani assumes the Channing Frye role at PF. Or they can give more time to developing Lopez, and bring him off the bench and start Johnson at the 4.

This trade would give Brooks a WILDCAT of a back-up in Bayless, a SG (Derozan) to replace Carter, a young PF with potential in Davis, AND a #5 pick of our choosing (Walker/Barnes/Jones/Sullinger/Williams).

Brooks/Bayless/(Walker/Fredette?)
Derozan/Dudley
Childress/Pietrus/(Barnes/Jones?)
Davis/Warrick/(Jones/Sullinger/Williams?)
Gortat/Frye/


A young (cheep) team bursting with potential. Hell, i'd even swoop up OJ Mayo and have the more productive one between him and Derozan claim the starting job. I think we would end up sending Pietrus to a contender (BOS), which would also free up more minutes for Dudly as back-up SF.

That is a team i could really get behind as we could see them improve from a decent team into a contender (Opposite of us now), and see them mature together.

[irish22022]

Well, since this is the most recent "Trade Thread", i guess i will post in here. Ive been thinking about what Traxxe said, and have been doing a lot of thinking, and this is an idea i have come up with.

Traxxe mentioned trading Nash in the offseason for a young prospect and a high 1st round pick. So i was thinking about the teams that would have high draft picks in the draft this year:

Cavs/Wizards/Kings/Wolves/Raptors/Jazz/Pistons.

Only 1 team stands out here as a possible "Nash Contender", and that is Toronto. They would love to have Kid Canada spend his remaining 3(?) years as their PG. Is he an upgrade over Calderon? Definitely. Would the Raptors make a killing in jersey/ticket sales? Undeniably. Do they have Young talent to send are way? Absolutely!

Nash/Lopez to TOR for Davis/Bayless/Derozan/2011 1st.

With the emergence of Johnson this year, it makes Davis a little more expendable. TOR could roll with a starting 5 of: Nash/Barbosa/Kleiza/Bargnani/Lopez. Doesnt that look like a Nash led Suns line-up. Bargnani assumes the Channing Frye role at PF. Or they can give more time to developing Lopez, and bring him off the bench and start Johnson at the 4.

This trade would give Brooks a WILDCAT of a back-up in Bayless, a SG (Derozan) to replace Carter, a young PF with potential in Davis, AND a #5 pick of our choosing (Walker/Barnes/Jones/Sullinger/Williams).

Brooks/Bayless/(Walker/Fredette?)
Derozan/Dudley
Childress/Pietrus/(Barnes/Jones?)
Davis/Warrick/(Jones/Sullinger/Williams?)
Gortat/Frye/


A young (cheep) team bursting with potential. Hell, i'd even swoop up OJ Mayo and have the more productive one between him and Derozan claim the starting job. I think we would end up sending Pietrus to a contender (BOS), which would also free up more minutes for Dudly as back-up SF.

That is a team i could really get behind as we could see them improve from a decent team into a contender (Opposite of us now), and see them mature together.

I agree that Toronto is the most viable place for us to trade Nash. But honestly, as weird as this sounds, I don't think they'll trade Derozan. I mean, besides Derozan, what do they have to put the ball in the basket? Who would Nash pass to? Amir Johnson?

I like the idea of trading to Toronto. I can see that as possible. I think getting Bayless/Amir Johnson/and a first maybe more likely from their end. Amir is no all star, not a huge difference, and they keep Derozan and Bargani. We may even need another pick in their though. I'd be very surprised if Toronto pulled the trigger on getting rid of his lead scorer. I just don't think they'll have enough offense.

[Kerrsed]

I agree that Toronto is the most viable place for us to trade Nash. But honestly, as weird as this sounds, I don't think they'll trade Derozan. I mean, besides Derozan, what do they have to put the ball in the basket? Who would Nash pass to? Amir Johnson?

Barbosa/Bargnani/WhoeverTheySignAsAFA

I like the idea of trading to Toronto. I can see that as possible. I think getting Bayless/Amir Johnson/and a first maybe more likely from their end. Amir is no all star, not a huge difference, and they keep Derozan and Bargani. We may even need another pick in their though. I'd be very surprised if Toronto pulled the trigger on getting rid of his lead scorer. I just don't think they'll have enough offense.

Im afraid they would offer Amir and instead of the Suns holding their ground, they accept it. I would prefer Davis, as even though Johnson is a decent player who is starting to emerge a little, i dont trust guys that skip college and get drafted number 56 in the second round. I prefer a lottery pick (Davis).

[lespaul89]

A PG that cannot play defense is nearly worthless.

Steve Nash isn't worthless

He doesn't have a ring on his finger.

[BurningHeart]

A PG that cannot play defense is nearly worthless.

Steve Nash isn't worthless

He doesn't have a ring on his finger.

Neither do Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Barry Bonds, or Dan Marino. Are they "worthless" too? Seriously now?

[DRK]

Sill dreaming Kerrsed. No way Toronto give up all your young pieces for a 37 year old Pg. Most we get is DeRozan and an expiring.

[BurningHeart]

I still hate this trade (Brooks/Dragic), by the way. So, so, SO much.

[sunskerr]

I want nash to retire here. I honestly can't imagine him in a jersey other than our own.

[nevetsov]

Man, I love Steve but I still have to think twice about that. Moving forward, I can see a true weakness forming in the lack of a "true" SG (I still consider Dudley, Childress and pietrus natural SFs) and would love to get a young prospect in Derozan. Aside from Wade, Monta, Kev Mart and maybe Tyreke, how many other young SGs with potential are out there?

Nab Derozan and throw the farm at Paul in 2012:

Paul/ Dowdell
Derozan/ Dudley
Childress/ Dudley
Frye/ Warrick or rookie
Gortat/ Davis or rookie

[BurningHeart]

Man, I love Steve but I still have to think twice about that. Moving forward, I can see a true weakness forming in the lack of a "true" SG (I still consider Dudley, Childress and pietrus natural SFs) and would love to get a young prospect in Derozan. Aside from Wade, Monta, Kev Mart and maybe Tyreke, how many other young SGs with potential are out there?

Nab Derozan and throw the farm at Paul in 2012:

Paul/ Dowdell
Derozan/ Dudley
Childress/ Dudley
Frye/ Warrick or rookie
Gortat/ Davis or rookie

Honestly I don't see a team like that doing that much damage.

I wish we could SOME-HOW convince Minnesota that Love won't be resigning with them when the time comes, and to get something for them before its too late. Ah, to dream.

[DRK]

I still hate this trade (Brooks/Dragic), by the way. So, so, SO much.

What hurts is the first round pick we're giving up. Hopefully won't turn into another Serge Ibaka.