2016 Draft Thread Part 4

8on · Post #861 » by **8on** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:13 am

i think it's 33%+. his inner circle doesn't seem to want to deny the possibility. Woj has reported that he's interested in it.

if his people won't deny it, he's at least considering it now. of course - they won't deny it because that's a strategy when you want to get people thinking about it. they're not stupid.

saintEscaton · Post #862 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:29 am

Tbh I'm fed up with quasi-SSOL run n' gun gimmickry when we lack a point who can even properly pushes the break. We need to stop living in the bygone glory days and realize that pace for its own sake is self-defeating and not all that novel anymore. Gotta maximize possesions the right way, not by having lapses in transition D/bad shot clock management. Horny was MDA without the brains

Waylay13 · Post #863 » by **Waylay13** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:33 am

NavLDO wrote:Well, you know, I mean, look how long it took Booker to develop.... Just stupid, IMO...especially if we trade both 4 an 13...

If Suns trade the 4 and 13 without getting a young star i.e. Simmons than we need to have a hanging party and string Sarver up.

8on · Post #864 » by **8on** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:35 am

i'm just going to put this out there.

in the next 24 hours, you will not see a report where the Lakers have made a promise to Brandon Ingram.

this is because they are debating between Dunn and Ingram.

as much as Ingram intrigues me, i heard he has been having a really hard time putting on weight. he is way too skinny. i'm not sure about him. on the other hand. Dunn is a warrior. he doesn't know how to fail. i think that's the kind of player the Lakers need.

can Ingram create space in the NBA? can he create his own shot in year 1? can he get to the line? how well can he shoot from the NBA 3 pt line? i'm pessimistic about all of those questions.

https://theundefeated.com/videos/a-dream-deferred/

8on · Post #865 » by **8on** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:39 am

whoa! if only! from Stein: http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16407161/boston-celtics-rebuffed-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

"Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that Hayward is not available."

thamadkant · Post #866 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:42 am

Jazz / Bulls

Hayward + Pick 12
for
Butler

I think Jazz wants a legit player back.... not picks.

If Bledsoe was healthy.. perhaps.

Post #867 » by **Cactus Jack** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:50 am

dantley4prez wrote:i'm just going to put this out there.

in the next 24 hours, you will not see a report where the Lakers have made a promise to Brandon Ingram.

this is because they are debating between Dunn and Ingram.

as much as Ingram intrigues me, i heard he has been having a really hard time putting on weight. he is way too skinny. i'm not sure about him.

Spoiler:

carey · Post #868 » by **carey** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:50 am

bwgood77 wrote:Last time we had a top 5 pick, not one mock had us taking Len. Most had him going later.

You sure? That is the Anthony Bennet draft & Len was talked about as a potential #1 pick for a while on some sites and networks.

Edit: I see some folks have responded with the same thing already.

JMac1 · Post #869 » by **JMac1** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:54 am

Remember guys, no matter who we pick (or trade for Okafor) we got a great player if he reaches his ceiling.

JMac1 · Post #870 » by **JMac1** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:56 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:i'm just going to put this out there.

in the next 24 hours, you will not see a report where the Lakers have made a promise to Brandon Ingram.

this is because they are debating between Dunn and Ingram.

as much as Ingram intrigues me, i heard he has been having a really hard time putting on weight. he is way too skinny. i'm not sure about him.

Spoiler:
People said the same thing about this guy.

Yup, I have watched ingram play and he is a tough skinny dude.

saintEscaton · Post #871 » by **saintEscaton** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:56 am

JMac1 wrote:Remember guys, no matter who we pick (or trade for Okafor) we got a great player if he reaches his ceiling.

Everyone falls prey to the "pie in the sky" syndrome trying to talk themselves into which leftover they would prefer.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #872 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:57 am

dantley4prez wrote:i'm just going to put this out there.

in the next 24 hours, you will not see a report where the Lakers have made a promise to Brandon Ingram.

this is because they are debating between Dunn and Ingram.

as much as Ingram intrigues me, i heard he has been having a really hard time putting on weight. he is way too skinny. i'm not sure about him. on the other hand. Dunn is a warrior. he doesn't know how to fail. i think that's the kind of player the Lakers need.

can Ingram create space in the NBA? can he create his own shot in year 1? can he get to the line? how well can he shoot from the NBA 3 pt line? i'm pessimistic about all of those questions.

https://theundefeated.com/videos/a-dream-deferred/

The Lakers will take Ingram 100% guaranteed. There is no way they are debating between him and Dunn/Hield.

thamadkant · Post #873 » by **thamadkant** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:01 am

Yeah, I think Lakers will take Ingram... the question is for them trading for another top 5 pick.

JMac1 · Post #874 » by **JMac1** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:10 am

saintEscaton wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Remember guys, no matter who we pick (or trade for Okafor) we got a great player if he reaches his ceiling.

Everyone falls prey to the "pie in the sky" syndrome trying to talk themselves into which leftover they would prefer.

Are you going to draft someone and expect him to fail?

Bottomline, no one is afraid or really concerned with who we draft more than we hope the guy doesn't bust and he reaches his potential.

"leftover?" lol! No one here has a real favorite, we are just hoping we get the right guy. Who is the "leftover" CJ, Greak Freak, Gobert, Adams, Green, Ginobili, Drummond, Curry, DeAndre Jordan, who...........?

I am not the sky is falling type, if I was I can't imagine where I'd be in life.

Post #875 » by **rsavaj** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:12 am

dantley4prez wrote:i don't know why people don't seem to believe this, but we might have a winning formula.

first, we have to stay healthy.

can we just forget about this year? it means nothing. 5 of our best players were out for at least 1/4 of the season. it's not representative of how we'll do this year!

i think we'll make the playoffs this year. also......would you rather have Jahlil Okafor, or Domantas Sabonis?

i'd rather have Okafor, but not by that much. what about Okafor or Chriss? i just.....all three could be dominant scorers in three years. or, all three could be empty stats guys.

i see no reason to stretch out our flexibility for Okafor. you only do that if you have a guy who you know is a franchise changer. look at Dwight Howard. if he didn't have any trade value at the deadline, Okafor should have even less.

we weren't any good when the team was healthy either

8on · Post #876 » by **8on** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:13 am

Cactus Jack wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:i'm just going to put this out there.

in the next 24 hours, you will not see a report where the Lakers have made a promise to Brandon Ingram.

this is because they are debating between Dunn and Ingram.

as much as Ingram intrigues me, i heard he has been having a really hard time putting on weight. he is way too skinny. i'm not sure about him.

Spoiler:
People said the same thing about this guy.

Durant was 25 pounds heavier than Ingram in college. That's......absurd.

8on · Post #877 » by **8on** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:13 am

rsavaj wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:i don't know why people don't seem to believe this, but we might have a winning formula.

first, we have to stay healthy.

can we just forget about this year? it means nothing. 5 of our best players were out for at least 1/4 of the season. it's not representative of how we'll do this year!

i think we'll make the playoffs this year. also......would you rather have Jahlil Okafor, or Domantas Sabonis?

i'd rather have Okafor, but not by that much. what about Okafor or Chriss? i just.....all three could be dominant scorers in three years. or, all three could be empty stats guys.

i see no reason to stretch out our flexibility for Okafor. you only do that if you have a guy who you know is a franchise changer. look at Dwight Howard. if he didn't have any trade value at the deadline, Okafor should have even less.

we weren't any good when the team was healthy either

we were 7-5. we looked really good to me.

i can't prove it because the sample size is too small, but i firmly believe this roster can make the playoffs this year. i would be surprised if we didn't.

Post #878 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:14 am

carey wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Last time we had a top 5 pick, not one mock had us taking Len. Most had him going later.

You sure? That is the Anthony Bennet draft & Len was talked about as a potential #1 pick for a while on some sites and networks.

Edit: I see some folks have responded with the same thing already.

Something earlier I saw said that. I found something else that said 21 out of 263 mocks had us taking Len, but that included all mocks early on and later revisions of them, but it's hard to find the final mocks from the major sites now.

This is the best thing I could find and you can see it had various versions. If you look at accuracy of Aran Smith, DX, and Chad Ford, their mocks on 6/27, Aran's (nbadraft.net) did the best. But if you click on the old links to those drafts, they were updated to the correct picks. DX (Givony) only got 3 picks in the entire draft right. Ford also got 3, and Smith got 5.

https://weaksideawareness.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/grading-nba-mock-drafts-2013-from-best-to-worst/

JMac1 · Post #879 » by **JMac1** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:15 am

dantley4prez wrote:whoa! if only! from Stein: http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16407161/boston-celtics-rebuffed-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

"Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that Hayward is not available."

Everybody is untouchable nowadays, why even use the term? Use to be only reserved for Prime Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and James....now Middletone and Parker and Giannis......the whole team? man please. Just say the deal isn't beneficial for the Bucks.

Post #880 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:21 am

JMac1 wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:whoa! if only! from Stein: http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16407161/boston-celtics-rebuffed-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

"Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that Hayward is not available."

Everybody is untouchable nowadays, why even use the term? Use to be only reserved for Prime Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and James....now Middletone and Parker and Giannis......the whole team? man please. Just say the deal isn't beneficial for the Bucks.

Everyone thought Boston had a ton of assets, but they don't have players people want or to trade their 2017 Brooklyn pick. We don't have much we are probably willing to offer either I'm guessing for those types of packages.

Who do you most want at 4?