Draft Discussion Part 3

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Oh man looking at last year's draft thread is hilarious. Cosmo, why did you want Sabonis at #4?
Sabonis put up 40% on FG's this year, and that's with Westbrook gathering most of the defense attention. Happy with how the draft turned out last year, though maybe we should have taken Hield at No 4 and then we could be the ones with Boogie.

Hey, the draft is hard. I'm glad Sabonis hasn't set the world on fire. The closer we got to the draft, the less opinionated I became about who we should draft.

[JMac1]

Do you have a link for this? Because Gambo hasn't said anything about it on Twitter.

And nobody else has reported this either. I would assume that many people would be reporting it if it was true or even had legs.

I'm sure you can listen to the show's podcast. It was 2-4 minutes past 5pm pacific when he said his workout was cancelled and Collins had a workout tomorrow.

Sorry JMac, but you misunderstood Gambo.

Gambo didn't say that Jackson has cancelled his workout. He was talking abou Fox, who indeed cancelled his workout with us last week.

We have scheduled a workout with Jackson this Wednesday and it hasn't been cancelled yet.

I did. Sorry about that guys. I was ordering some drive thru at the time (for my daughter,not me) and he did say Fox. He said we were going to watch him (Jackson) work out at another location and he hadn't called it off. I listened to it again because I wanted to let the poster know where to find it....my bad.

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Still reading last year's draft thread. A report/rumor was out there a couple days before the draft that the Sixers were trying hard to trade Noel to the Celtics for the No 3 pick so they could take Simmons No 1 and then Dunn No 3.
I know things change over a year, but wouldn't Monk fit perfectly with the Sixers if they project Simmons to play PG? I could see the Sixers selecting Josh Jackson at 3 and then working a trade with possibly the Magic for the No 6 pick, No 25 pick, and possibly something else.

[bwgood77]

Still reading last year's draft thread. A report/rumor was out there a couple days before the draft that the Sixers were trying hard to trade Noel to the Celtics for the No 3 pick so they could take Simmons No 1 and then Dunn No 3.
I know things change over a year, but wouldn't Monk fit perfectly with the Sixers if they project Simmons to play PG? I could see the Sixers selecting Josh Jackson at 3 and then working a trade with possibly the Magic for the No 6 pick, No 25 pick, and possibly something else.

Yes, Monk makes perfect sense for Philly. He is probably the BPA at that spot for their needs. He has PG size but doesn't pass, but they can afford to have a 1 who doesn't pass much and isn't a PG.

While they could trade down, if they think there is a risk we might take Monk, they may just take him (if they want him).

[Sreister]

If Ball drops, you think we still go with Tatum or Isaac? Say the first three are Fultz, Jackson, Monk.

There is no chance we pass on Lonzo if he drops. I know its crazy but I would take Ball over Jackson if by some miracle they are both there. I could care less what trash comes out of his dad's mouth...Hes not the one playing for us... and everything I've seen with Lonzo he actually seems like a decent kid. 6'6' athletic pass first point guards do not happen very often. The guy lead the entire NCAA in assists last year and set the PAc12 record for freshman assists. Oh and he can also shoot, 55% from the field and over 41% from the 3 which is better than the "best shooter" in the draft, malik monk. Also don't underestimate Earl Watson pushing hard for Mcdonough to get him, the UCLA connection he preaches is real and he's already had a few interviews giving him high praise.

Yeah, I was high on him and then low on him and then the more stuff I see, there just isn't much negative, and I've come around on him again. I mean he is obviously the best passer in the draft and maybe the best one to come out of the draft for years and then you look at stuff like his shooting



Could be very exciting.

If you look past the green for Ball, and take a look at the numbers, it's a little scary. It really proves what a lot of people say is his weakness, the midrange game. Taking MUCH fewer attempts than others. Sure he made them, but when you take 6, those are '1 offs' to me and probably just wide open uncontested shots. I know this league is turning into layups and 3s, but that limits his ability to do either of those when you don't have to worry about his mid game. Just a thought.

[LukasBMW]

I'm really glad we got both Chriss and Bender last year. Chriss improved so much in just one season and I think Bender will improve this season with more playing time.

I think the Suns will take Jackson or Ball if they drop to 4.

If Jackson drops...it's a wrap. He's ours. No other moves.

If Ball drops, then I think we snag him and have possible trades in place to move Bledsoe so we can snag Tatum or Issac @ 6/7/8/9.

1. Fultz
2. Jackson
3. Monk
4. Ball

Would be an interesting start followed by:

5. Fox
6. Tatum
7. Issac (Wolves ->>> Suns for Bledsoe)

If the Lakers pass on Ball and Philly takes Smith or Monk, things get super interesting.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Ball drops, you think we still go with Tatum or Isaac? Say the first three are Fultz, Jackson, Monk.

There is no chance we pass on Lonzo if he drops. I know its crazy but I would take Ball over Jackson if by some miracle they are both there. I could care less what trash comes out of his dad's mouth...Hes not the one playing for us... and everything I've seen with Lonzo he actually seems like a decent kid. 6'6' athletic pass first point guards do not happen very often. The guy lead the entire NCAA in assists last year and set the PAc12 record for freshman assists. Oh and he can also shoot, 55% from the field and over 41% from the 3 which is better than the "best shooter" in the draft, malik monk. Also don't underestimate Earl Watson pushing hard for Mcdonough to get him, the UCLA connection he preaches is real and he's already had a few interviews giving him high praise.

Yeah, I was high on him and then low on him and then the more stuff I see, there just isn't much negative, and I've come around on him again. I mean he is obviously the best passer in the draft and maybe the best one to come out of the draft for years and then you look at stuff like his shooting



Could be very exciting.

I really wish there was more green on Tatum's shot chart. For someone who's supposed to be a good midrange scorer I wish more would go in. That's my concern with him; to bast utilize his skill set he will need to have a decent volume of shots so for him to help you he needs to be efficient with those opportunities. Now if the suns are convinced that he can be a 40ish % 3 pt shooter and will play hard on D then hell I like him more than my guy Isaac.

[bwgood77]

There is no chance we pass on Lonzo if he drops. I know its crazy but I would take Ball over Jackson if by some miracle they are both there. I could care less what trash comes out of his dad's mouth...Hes not the one playing for us... and everything I've seen with Lonzo he actually seems like a decent kid. 6'6' athletic pass first point guards do not happen very often. The guy lead the entire NCAA in assists last year and set the PAc12 record for freshman assists. Oh and he can also shoot, 55% from the field and over 41% from the 3 which is better than the "best shooter" in the draft, malik monk. Also don't underestimate Earl Watson pushing hard for Mcdonough to get him, the UCLA connection he preaches is real and he's already had a few interviews giving him high praise.

Yeah, I was high on him and then low on him and then the more stuff I see, there just isn't much negative, and I've come around on him again. I mean he is obviously the best passer in the draft and maybe the best one to come out of the draft for years and then you look at stuff like his shooting



Could be very exciting.

If you look past the green for Ball, and take a look at the numbers, it's a little scary. It really proves what a lot of people say is his weakness, the midrange game. Taking MUCH fewer attempts than others. Sure he made them, but when you take 6, those are '1 offs' to me and probably just wide open uncontested shots. I know this league is turning into layups and 3s, but that limits his ability to do either of those when you don't have to worry about his mid game. Just a thought.

Yeah, I know..I've heard people talk, but then I see stuff like this as well.

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[bwgood77]

There is no chance we pass on Lonzo if he drops. I know its crazy but I would take Ball over Jackson if by some miracle they are both there. I could care less what trash comes out of his dad's mouth...Hes not the one playing for us... and everything I've seen with Lonzo he actually seems like a decent kid. 6'6' athletic pass first point guards do not happen very often. The guy lead the entire NCAA in assists last year and set the PAc12 record for freshman assists. Oh and he can also shoot, 55% from the field and over 41% from the 3 which is better than the "best shooter" in the draft, malik monk. Also don't underestimate Earl Watson pushing hard for Mcdonough to get him, the UCLA connection he preaches is real and he's already had a few interviews giving him high praise.

Yeah, I was high on him and then low on him and then the more stuff I see, there just isn't much negative, and I've come around on him again. I mean he is obviously the best passer in the draft and maybe the best one to come out of the draft for years and then you look at stuff like his shooting



Could be very exciting.

I really wish there was more green on Tatum's shot chart. For someone who's supposed to be a good midrange scorer I wish more would go in. That's my concern with him; to bast utilize his skill set he will need to have a decent volume of shots so for him to help you he needs to be efficient with those opportunities. Now if the suns are convinced that he can be a 40ish % 3 pt shooter and will play hard on D then hell I like him more than my guy Isaac.

Yeah, I don't think you can put much stock in these empty gym shooting performances they are impressed by. I've watched Brandon Knight in an empty gym before games and he is a flat out stud knocking down shots. Unguardable.

[Sreister]

Yeah, I was high on him and then low on him and then the more stuff I see, there just isn't much negative, and I've come around on him again. I mean he is obviously the best passer in the draft and maybe the best one to come out of the draft for years and then you look at stuff like his shooting



Could be very exciting.

If you look past the green for Ball, and take a look at the numbers, it's a little scary. It really proves what a lot of people say is his weakness, the midrange game. Taking MUCH fewer attempts than others. Sure he made them, but when you take 6, those are '1 offs' to me and probably just wide open uncontested shots. I know this league is turning into layups and 3s, but that limits his ability to do either of those when you don't have to worry about his mid game. Just a thought.

Yeah, I know..I've heard people talk, but then I see stuff like this as well.

Some good, some not so good. All of those still don't change the fact that his mid game is almost non existent. Seeing those numbers did ease my thoughts on drafting him (I'm not a fan so far). But those aren't exactly screaming "Draft Him" to me. I think he's the biggest risk in the draft for us. He has arguably the highest potential, but biggest bust potential as well. I think the other guys forwards we could draft have a lower ceiling but also a higher bottom too. Ugh I don't know.

Also, drafting Ball we can assume Bled isn't in our future. We draft him, we pretty much bank on trading Bled because I hope our FO learned their lesson on letting 3 guys equally share in PG duty. So, assuming we trade Bled, that means we are all in on Ball living up to at least most of his hype. Right? That's a big pill to swallow for our FO to take.

I'm all for trading Bled, actually. He won't ever have a higher value than he does now, and I don't trust those knees. The problem is, I don't know if Ball is worth it. It's one of two things. We draft a guy to work in our system, or we blow it up for Ball and hope for the best.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't want to give the impression that I hate Tatum. In fact I like him quite a bit and wouldn't be upset if the Suns take him at 4. It's just my opinion that he's the more risky pick than Isaac. I know this seem contrary to what a lot of people think but I look at it like this: Isaac's best qualities are defense and rebounding those two things translate from college to the pros and I'm pretty confident he'll do them well at the next level. So with that assumption I'm confident Isaac can have a positive impact while being a low usage player on O until that part of his game develops. Where as with Tatum I think his biggest upside is offensively and to fully utilize that he will need to be a higher usage guy so he needs his shots to fall. Now one saving grace for Tatum is he was a pretty good rebounder in college and that usually translates. I don't really know what to make of him defensively; if the suns feel he could be a plus on this side of the ball then yeah he probably should rank higher than Isaac because he has more offensive potential.

[rsavaj]

At this point I've given up trying to figure out who the right guy is. I'm trying to look at it through a positive lens, so at this point I'm five with whoever we end up with. Jackson and Ball will most likely be off the board, but I can talk myself into Taytum, Isaac, Monk, Fox being the right pick.

[bwgood77]

Some good, some not so good. All of those still don't change the fact that his mid game is almost non existent. Seeing those numbers did ease my thoughts on drafting him (I'm not a fan so far). But those aren't exactly screaming "Draft Him" to me. I think he's the biggest risk in the draft for us. He has arguably the highest potential, but biggest bust potential as well. I think the other guys forwards we could draft have a lower ceiling but also a higher bottom too. Ugh I don't know.

Also, drafting Ball we can assume Bled isn't in our future. We draft him, we pretty much bank on trading Bled because I hope our FO learned their lesson on letting 3 guys equally share in PG duty. So, assuming we trade Bled, that means we are all in on Ball living up to at least most of his hype. Right? That's a big pill to swallow for our FO to take.

I'm all for trading Bled, actually. He won't ever have a higher value than he does now, and I don't trust those knees. The problem is, I don't know if Ball is worth it. It's one of two things. We draft a guy to work in our system, or we blow it up for Ball and hope for the best.

I felt like you did about Ball as well. What I do like is that I think he would get everyone else involved and maximize the talents of Bender, Chriss and Warren. Booker could run the pick n roll in the half court. I don't know that he needs a mid range game, but I can't say for sure it would be bad either. I haven't done personal studies on it.

Honestly I can't get really excited about anyone.

I go up and down on Tatum and Ball. Don't like Fox much. Hope we don't draft Monk. That likely leaves Isaac. I have no idea what he will become.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't want to give the impression that I hate Tatum. In fact I like him quite a bit and wouldn't be upset if the Suns take him at 4. It's just my opinion that he's the more risky pick than Isaac. I know this seem contrary to what a lot of people think but I look at it like this: Isaac's best qualities are defense and rebounding those two things translate well and I'm pretty confident he'll do them well at the next level. So with that assumption I'm confident Isaac can have a positive impact while being a low usage player on O until that part of his game develops. Where as with Tatum I think his biggest upside is offensively and to fully utilize that he will need to be a higher usage guy so he needs his shots to fall. Now one saving grace for Tatum is he was a pretty good rebounder in college and that usually translates. Now I don't really know what to make of him defensively; if the suns feel he could be a plus on this side of the ball then yeah he probably should rank higher than Isaac because he has more offensive potential.

I'm not really interested in making the safe pick. I would like to select the player that our FO thinks will reach his potential.

I can see why Tatum would be #2 (behind Fultz) or #3 (and Ball) on their board. His moves are NBA moves. His body is an NBA body. He'll make it in the league as a top scoring option.

Does Isaac have DPOY type potential? Can he legitimately guard PGs? If he can, I can see him going ahead of Tatum. But there's really not much to his offensive game that I have seen. So unless he's truly an elite defensive talent, I have him behind Tatum.

[TOO]

My opinion: Jackson probably canceled his workout with the celtics because they are trading with the Kings...If Fultz really did go to sac for a session then I'd say that deal is as good as done.

As for Isaac. I have tried about 5 or 6 times to watch tape of him to try and see if I've been missing what all his hype is about. I don't get it, he looks like Bender 2.0 but worse with less tools. Maybe I'm just a hater.

I'm with you, if we pick Isaac, i will be super bummed. Then I will watch him like a hawk in SL hoping to find something to latch onto so I can get on board with the pick. We just dont need another massive project tweener F.

[LukasBMW]

2003:

1. Lebron
2. Darko
3. Melo
4. Bosh
5. Wade

2017

1. Fultz
2. Ball
3. Jackson
4. Tatum
5. Fox

History could repeat.

[taj2133]

josh jackson doing another workout for lakers today
Sources telling me that Josh Jackson will be working out for the Lakers this afternoon in El Segundo...
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Yes! They saw him in Sacramento and now they will have him in a workout that they can control in their practice facility in El Segundo
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