Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[Christine-In-AZ]

1.Describe for me a good team for Greg Monroe... I'm talkin' this season?

2.Describe a team that could use Monroe's low post offensive prowess as a long term player?

3. What team(s) might want his contract simply as an expiring? ...how much would Suns need (pick quality?) for accepting an 18-'19 big bucks (12m+) contract?

4. If Tyson Chandler is moved by the trade DL, and the Suns aren't committed to resigning Len (debating/will see)
....is a 28 year old, Greg Monroe at say 15 million per, a reasonable signing?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Soooooo..... can we get a first for Daniels? Cuz dayum.

[bwgood77]

1.Describe for me a good team for Greg Monroe... I'm talkin' this season?

2.Describe a team that could use Monroe's low post offensive prowess as a long term player?

3. What team(s) might want his contract simply as an expiring? ...how much would Suns need (pick quality?) for accepting an 18-'19 big bucks (12m+) contract?

4. If Tyson Chandler is moved by the trade DL, and the Suns aren't committed to resigning Len (debating/will see)
....is a 28 year old, Greg Monroe at say 15 million per, a reasonable signing?

I don't know about Monroe, but it's hard to trade him if you want to maintain cap space, so you have to take back money for next year. Is that worth a pick? If we don't mind using our cap space, a George Hill swap makes sense. But I doubt that will happen. Cleveland wants him and we may have already done that if we wanted him and it doesn't seem like we want to add a vet this season.

And if you trade him back and don't take back long term money, you either need a matching expiring or a team that can absorb his contract, and I don't think any playoff teams have that kind of cap space to absorb him.

I wouldn't re-sign him. I seriously doubt Chander will be moved by the deadline, but even if he was, I wouldn't sign Monroe.

If we do sign a C, I'd give someone a smaller deal or a one year contract. I'd prefer we draft one and play him and Williams.

[bwgood77]

Soooooo..... can we get a first for Daniels? Cuz dayum.

No. Considering we got a 2nd to take his contract, he doesn't have much value. He's always been a really good 3 pt shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if a playoff team wanted him, they'd have to have cap space to absorb. I mean if Philly wanted another shooter the might give us a 2nd or something...since they likely have a ton of picks...but we have a bunch of 2nds too.

[sunsbum]

BAMBA OR JJJ. I heard bamba reached to the moon and picked the flag off the surface starting the man didn't walk on the moon conspiracy because you cant find the flag.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I seriously doubt Chander will be moved by the deadline, but even if he was, I wouldn't sign Monroe.

While I'm "here"..

If the Bucks offered Dellavedova (9.6m x 2 more years) for Chandler (13.5m/1 more year) and lowered the pick protection to #17 this year and next... what say you?

I think I'd be in. Bit heavy moneywise on a (clearly) 2nd string PG, but seems a solid team player ...and still relatively young.

just a thought...seems semi plausible

[hollywood6964]

I seriously doubt Chander will be moved by the deadline, but even if he was, I wouldn't sign Monroe.

While I'm "here"..

If the Bucks offered Dellavedova (9.6m x 2 more years) for Chandler (13.5m/1 more year) and lowered the pick protection to #17 this year and next... what say you?

I think I'd be in. Bit heavy moneywise on a (clearly) 2nd string PG, but seems a solid team player ...and still relatively young.

just a thought...seems semi plausible

He's worthless. I'd say no.

[bwgood77]

I seriously doubt Chander will be moved by the deadline, but even if he was, I wouldn't sign Monroe.

While I'm "here"..

If the Bucks offered Dellavedova (9.6m x 2 more years) for Chandler (13.5m/1 more year) and lowered the pick protection to #17 this year and next... what say you?

I think I'd be in. Bit heavy moneywise on a (clearly) 2nd string PG, but seems a solid team player ...and still relatively young.

just a thought...seems semi plausible

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I don't know. He is terribly inefficient. He'd have to stick to 3s to spread the floor, where he is decent. But he does have nearly a 3/1 ast/to ratio and can be a scrappy vet.

I think there will be better options though...and that extra year hurts. My guess is McD wanted it to stop at 16, but moving it to 17 is nicer because it is too tight of window aat 16 and it fixes that glitch where we don't get their first or second if they land at 17, where they have been hovering around. Not sure how they screwed that up and didn't set the 2nd rounder to start at 17 if the first round protection started at 17.

I'd probably pass though and I'd rather keep the cap space flexibility. But we do kind of need to so something at PG...hopefully we draft one but they very likely wouldn't be able to start immediately unless it's Young or Doncic in a dual ball handling/off ball guard combo.

If we were going to risk going into cap space in 18-19 I'd love to go for this guy, who could opt out in summer of 18.. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/indiana-pacers/cory-joseph-8080/

But I don't know if they'd trade him...perfect backup for them. 3/1 ast/to ratio, 47% from 2, 38.5% from 3

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/josepco01.html

I think it would be worth giving this guy a chance too....super cheap contract, 58% from 2, 38% from 3, 2/1 ast/to ratio https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wrighde01.html
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/delon-wright-17848/

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I mean this is the worst news all season. Bar none. I guess I knew Bender, Chriss, or Jackson would make it but seeing that invalidates a lot of what we have been doing the past two years. Its disheartening.

I still think Jackson could become an all star caliber player but 3 top 8 picks the last two drafts and a total 47 wins in back to back seasons and nothing. The closest we get to a Sun in the Rising Stars game is the invite Bogdonovic received.

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I mean this is the worst news all season. Bar none. I guess I knew Bender, Chriss, or Jackson wouldnt make it but seeing that invalidates a lot of what we have been doing the past two years. Its disheartening.

I still think Jackson could become an all star caliber player but 3 top 8 picks the last two drafts and a total 47 wins in back to back seasons and nothing. The closest we get to a Sun in the Rising Stars game is the invite Bogdonovic received.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I seriously doubt Chander will be moved by the deadline, but even if he was, I wouldn't sign Monroe.

While I'm "here"..

If the Bucks offered Dellavedova (9.6m x 2 more years) for Chandler (13.5m/1 more year) and lowered the pick protection to #17 this year and next... what say you?

I think I'd be in. Bit heavy moneywise on a (clearly) 2nd string PG, but seems a solid team player ...and still relatively young.

just a thought...seems semi plausible

Spoiler:

I don't know. He is terribly inefficient. He'd have to stick to 3s to spread the floor, where he is decent. But he does have nearly a 3/1 ast/to ratio and can be a scrappy vet.

I think there will be better options though...and that extra year hurts. My guess is McD wanted it to stop at 16, but moving it to 17 is nicer because it is too tight of window aat 16 and it fixes that glitch where we don't get their first or second if they land at 17, where they have been hovering around. Not sure how they screwed that up and didn't set the 2nd rounder to start at 17 if the first round protection started at 17.

I'd probably pass though and I'd rather keep the cap space flexibility. But we do kind of need to so something at PG...hopefully we draft one but they very likely wouldn't be able to start immediately unless it's Young or Doncic in a dual ball handling/off ball guard combo.

If we were going to risk going into cap space in 18-19 I'd love to go for this guy, who could opt out in summer of 18.. http://www.spotrac.com/nba/indiana-pacers/cory-joseph-8080/

But I don't know if they'd trade him...perfect backup for them. 3/1 ast/to ratio, 47% from 2, 38.5% from 3

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/josepco01.html

I think it would be worth giving this guy a chance too....super cheap contract, 58% from 2, 38% from 3, 2/1 ast/to ratio https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wrighde01.html
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/delon-wright-17848/

Guessing the Pacer "have plans" for Cory Joseph...could wrest him away in FA but were probably talking 13..15mil or more.

Barely know Delon Wright. Dunno

IDK. Delly's not great, but something tells me he would be a good 9th-10th bench guy for "the climb"...the long haul. Yeah too expensive at 9.6 but he's been through some serious battles. And again, only 27. Milwaukee seems a good fit to me for Chandler's last couple years.

[Midnight_Suns]

I seriously doubt Chander will be moved by the deadline, but even if he was, I wouldn't sign Monroe.

While I'm "here"..

If the Bucks offered Dellavedova (9.6m x 2 more years) for Chandler (13.5m/1 more year) and lowered the pick protection to #17 this year and next... what say you?

I think I'd be in. Bit heavy moneywise on a (clearly) 2nd string PG, but seems a solid team player ...and still relatively young.

just a thought...seems semi plausible

Lower the protection to 20 and I'm in. Delladova has championship pedigree and is absolutely a better point guard then Isaiah Caant and Number 8. Tyson is useless sans rebounds. Len should be starting when Sauce comes back. He is just as good or better at everything than Chandler. Draft a center or point guard with our pick. Consolidate all other picks and assets and go for a home run trade this summer.

[NavLDO]

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So ignoring the fact that Jordan has said he's not trading Kemba without getting an All Star in return and you still choose to bring up this buried post... -- you ever here the phrase "people in hell want ice water, too?" Let's put Warren on the block, and McD can demand an All-Star in return, this way, we can get All-Star...I never knew it was so easy to get an All-Star, we should have done it years ago! Quoting Jordan...you're funny...great player...horrible administrator

You want to expand on how we're luring a 3rd player, drafting a high quality player, and trading for another player in this situation? Because I'd be happy to tell you why that's not likely: Kemba isn't an injury-riddled malcontent like Bledsoe, we're not getting him for an expiring contract and a pick in the late 20s. It's at least going to cost our pick (that would at least be valued in the 10-15 range because, according to many of you, we're a playoff team adding Kemba Walker right away), likely one of our young prospects, and matching salaries to bring him in; and there will definitely be other bidders to help up the price.

-- I was just going off the point in your post that we'd still own our pick, so I was following YOUR scenario...but, say we were to have to give up our 1st...ok, we use Miami's. Don't trade both. Matching salaries would be easy Kemba, since his is only $12M. And here's the part where, "according to many of you" say that we'll have to eat Batum's contract...well, I have another saying for you...you can't have your cake and eat it, too. He gets one...or the other...we eat a contract, or he gets assets. Your acting like he gets both, which, in 'lala-land' maybe he gets that, but not in the real world.

I also find it funny through all this how those that don;t want Kemba, down-play him like he's just a 'meh' or 'pretty good' talent.
Yet at the same time, you think we'll be forced to trade away our entire future for him AND take on salary...so which is it?

So what is the likelihood of drafting that high quality player you speak of when we drafting with a pick in the 20s, maybe Milwuakee's pick if they implode, and a bunch of second rounders? Where are we getting that 3rd star player for the amazingly convenient cost of Chandler/Dudley, the Miami pick(s?), and the Milwuakee pick? How are we signing Cousins to pair with Booker and Kemba when we only have 10M in cap space available, by attaching assets to move contracts (i.e. mortgaging the future)?

-- Well, as was recently explained, it's a soft cap, and Sarver (since you take GM/Owner's word as gospel) stated that he'd pay to get over the cap to get talent on our team, so there's nothing preventing Sarver from bringing in a 3rd "all-star-level" talent. (I hate saying All-Star, because that's all fan dependent; go look at the more than TWICE as many vote Ball bot over Booker this year...)

I don't know why you would say I'm acting like someone is taking away my birthday by trading for him though. If it happens so be it, I'll still cheer for him, but I don't think it's our best move given where we are as a team. Sorry you don't agree with my reasoning, but I rarely agree with the multiple rambling essays you post each day and I don't go out of my way to make snide comments toward you. - You're right, I apologize.



I've said over and over that Kemba is a very good player. I just don't think he's an All Star in the West, and the reality is that those aren't All Star numbers in the West. Sorry, you can argue all you want, but it's just a fact. Just last year Damian Lillard, on a successful team, averaged 27/6/5 on better efficiency than Kemba has ever had and still wasn't an All Star. 21/6/3.5 doesn't cut the cheese here like it does out East.

-- As I just said above, IMO, people need to get "All-Star" out of their heads, and think more along the level of talent and ability. I don't care if he's 'popular' enough to get selected in the West...he, nor Lillard, nor booker ever will, now with Lonzo Ball in the mix.

P.S. We're actually at #5 right now--not the 6th Pick. -- Fair enough, but that changes every other day....just two weeks ago we were 9th, was it?



No, YOU'RE asserting that I'm asserting that I know that for certain. My post says we can use a top 5 pick this offseason as better trade bait than what our pick would be valued for a mid-season upgrade, and you're telling me that I'm saying go even younger lol..? I'm open to drafting with our pick if it's the best option, but if we let Monroe expire and were able to have a package including our high pick, Dudley, and Chandler, then we can actually have space to sign another max contract FA this Summer.

Also Kemba, the guy who's going to make us so much better next year, is going to keep us low enough to draft Jaren Jackson Jr? It's convenient for you to get a guy you like at a pick that we very likely wouldn't even have while also magically acquiring Nurkic with the many remaining assets we have after acquiring Kemba in your scenario though.

But as I stated above...Kemba cannot attract that big of a package...(sorry, Jordan). So either we eat a contract (which knowing McD, will NEVER be Batum...maybe Howard?? Then we ride his talent for a couple of years?? Probably not, Jordan won't trade him.), so likely Marvin Williams and/or MKG?? Or we trade something like Warren + Monroe + a pick for Kemba + MKG. That leaves us plenty of money THIS summer to get one more talent, AND assets.

Kemba isn't Kyrie, and look at what they got for him...an injured IT, a young Center, and a 1st and a 2nd, was it? OK, so, to me, if Kemba is 'less than' Kyrie, Warren + Monroe + our 1st will do. Still leaves us JJ, Bender, Chriss, Mia '18 1st, Mia '21 1st, Mil '20 1st.

Plenty of assets, and money. If we trade JJ, Bender, or Chriss...they come off our Cap as well, and that's $3-6M per, depending.

All I'm saying is Kemba gets us going in the right direction--Winning more than losing, IMO. He also brings Vet leadership at a position where it's actually best to have. We have JJ as our future SF (I'm convinced he'll be, at worst, a 4th option on a Playoff team. - -15/6/3 with a .350 3PT%...eventually, and stellar Defense)

So, whatever makes the most sense, be it draft, or FA, or trade, we go get our Center of the future with our remaining assets, and pick between Bender and Chriss as our PF of the future...

But say it's a pick, and we trade our Mia '21 1st, Mil 1st, Chriss, 2 x '18 2nds + the Mia '18 1st to move up to top 10, and take Bamba, because he slides to 9th, or Jaren Jackson...I like those two as targets, TBH.

Kemba / Booker / JJ / Bender / Jackson

I see that as a strong, contending team in '20, and a playoff team, at a minimum, in '19. Why? Because once we get a solid, 'all-star-talent' at PG, the young'ns at 3-4-5 will develop quickly, in my estimation. Much better/faster than if we have a rookie PG.

I don't think you have a very good understanding of how the cap works. Yes; it's a 'soft cap' but that just means you can go over to retain your own players on extension. You still need actual cap room to sign a FA. Heck the Suns don't even have max room this summer if they stand pat and just let Monroe expire and renounce the Len cap hold. The only scenario where they could acquire Walker and have max room is if Charlotte actually took back more long term money in that deal and they can't do that because they are already over the cap.

I know enough to know that in order to trade for Kemba, we need to offer contracts back, that the NEW Cap goes into effect before the FA period, which is expected to be $101M, and we could easily make our $23M (after Len and Monroe are gone/renounced) and turn it into $30M.

[Mulhollanddrive]

McDonough said today he's going to see what comes to him rather than go out and make calls.

Says he's happy with the 26 and under young core.

[kennydorglas]

BAMBA OR JJJ. I heard bamba reached to the moon and picked the flag off the surface starting the man didn't walk on the moon conspiracy because you cant find the flag.

Count me in.

[BobbieL]

I seriously doubt Chander will be moved by the deadline, but even if he was, I wouldn't sign Monroe.

While I'm "here"..

If the Bucks offered Dellavedova (9.6m x 2 more years) for Chandler (13.5m/1 more year) and lowered the pick protection to #17 this year and next... what say you?

I think I'd be in. Bit heavy moneywise on a (clearly) 2nd string PG, but seems a solid team player ...and still relatively young.

just a thought...seems semi plausible

He's worthless. I'd say no.

I am willing to give up future cap space but not for the Milwaukee 1st and Dellevedova

If the Bucks want to change the protection with Teletovic - I could possibly see that.

I just don't see many options for Chandler.

Buy out Monroe - hang tight, suck it up and hope for ping pong ball magic

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Maybe our goal at the trade deadline should be to help the Wizards, Pacers, Sixers and Pistons.

[hollywood6964]

While I'm "here"..

If the Bucks offered Dellavedova (9.6m x 2 more years) for Chandler (13.5m/1 more year) and lowered the pick protection to #17 this year and next... what say you?

I think I'd be in. Bit heavy moneywise on a (clearly) 2nd string PG, but seems a solid team player ...and still relatively young.

just a thought...seems semi plausible

He's worthless. I'd say no.

I am willing to give up future cap space but not for the Milwaukee 1st and Dellevedova

If the Bucks want to change the protection with Teletovic - I could possibly see that.

I just don't see many options for Chandler.

Buy out Monroe - hang tight, suck it up and hope for ping pong ball magic

If they really dropped the protection, sure. Not that an old chandler who can't move anymore is worth very much, especially in today's league, but taking back lenthy money is an issue.

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Yeah I the suns hire Jason Kidd I'm going to take a break from this team for a while.