NBA Draft 2024

[JRoy]

This could end up being an excellent draft for PHX.

[bwgood77]

Not that surprised kolek is still on the board. Dude seemed like a nightmare being slow and short, no wingspan etc.

Would like to move up for Ajay Mitchell. Seems like a much better prospect than Kolek.

But again my opinion means jack because I don't follow college prospects.

Yeah, I'm not surprised either. I also wouldn't have been surprised if Dunn slipped quite a bit further had we not taken him. Teams are not looking for guys that can't shoot in today's NBA. Sure they like defense but if you can't shoot you can rarely play.

I can see why Kolek slid too, and Collier, largely because few teams need a PG. Every time I looked at the depth rosters of every team I couldn't see any taking another PG over a wing or backup big.

[Slim Charless]

That's not a troll. He won't be able to play much unless those #s improve significantly. Certainly not on any team that hopes to contend. You can't have a guy who the team doesn't need to guard, especially if he can't bring up the ball.

Dunn will be fine for what we need....a dirty work defender. The shooting aspect I can live with as the other 3 will be gunning all the time. His defense and his ability to create turnovers will be a Godsend to this team and will do more good than Kolek would've done. Now, if you were to tell me Flipkowski then I'll listen as he can do PG stuff from the 5 spot.

If the Suns trade for Sengun tho then he and Flip can't play together. Dunn is a lock down defender and turnover creator if he plays like his taoe and numbers suggest.

That archetype fits any team that has 3 high level scorers....like us.

you can get non shooting dirt workers from the G League

Not ones that have DPOTY potential. Along with making multiple all defense teams.

[garrick]

That's not a troll. He won't be able to play much unless those #s improve significantly. Certainly not on any team that hopes to contend. You can't have a guy who the team doesn't need to guard, especially if he can't bring up the ball.

Dunn will be fine for what we need....a dirty work defender. The shooting aspect I can live with as the other 3 will be gunning all the time. His defense and his ability to create turnovers will be a Godsend to this team and will do more good than Kolek would've done. Now, if you were to tell me Flipkowski then I'll listen as he can do PG stuff from the 5 spot.

If the Suns trade for Sengun tho then he and Flip can't play together. Dunn is a lock down defender and turnover creator if he plays like his taoe and numbers suggest.

That archetype fits any team that has 3 high level scorers....like us.

you can get non shooting dirt workers from the G League

Lou Dort is a good example.

He was undrafted and signed by OKC, while he was a pretty bad 3pt shooter he improved his shot so you can no longer just leave him wide open from 3.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Pls GOK tell me this guy is good.

GoK was very high on him so he's celebrating at the moment.

I'm fairly pleased because this was a BIG step in the right direction for us to be more competitive in our limited window. But I'll also need to see what they can do with the 56th pick too before assessing how much they maximized value in this draft.

Now at 56, they absolutely need to be prioritizing a table setting point guard. My top 3 extreme talent value pulls for point guard at 56 are:

1- Zyon Pullin ( 6'4)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/zyon-pullin-1.html
15 points/ 4 rebounds/ 5 assists- 1.3 turnovers. On 44% 3PT/ 84% FT.

2- Cam Spencer ( 6'4)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cam-spencer-1.html
14 points/ 5 rebounds/ 4 assists/ 44% 3PT/ 91% FT.

3- Tristin Newton ( 6'5)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tristen-newton-1.html
15 points/ 6 rebounds/ 6 assists/ 32% 3 PT/ 80% FT.

[lilfishi22]

Dunn will be fine for what we need....a dirty work defender. The shooting aspect I can live with as the other 3 will be gunning all the time. His defense and his ability to create turnovers will be a Godsend to this team and will do more good than Kolek would've done. Now, if you were to tell me Flipkowski then I'll listen as he can do PG stuff from the 5 spot.

If the Suns trade for Sengun tho then he and Flip can't play together. Dunn is a lock down defender and turnover creator if he plays like his taoe and numbers suggest.

That archetype fits any team that has 3 high level scorers....like us.

you can get non shooting dirt workers from the G League

Not ones that have DPOTY potential. Along with making multiple all defense teams.

There have been better defenders who weren't ever DPOY/All-D players because they weren't able to stay on the floor long enough to make a difference.

[RaisingArizona]

He doesn't need to start but to simply get minutes and the ball out of either Booker's or Beal's hands when it matters. They're both off the ball players and having the ball in their hands as the distributor has proven to be a mistake time and again.

Then you're playing 3 minuses on D with Book/Beal/Kolek. Plus KD and Nurk. We might give up an all time record in points. Kolek will get hunted relentlessly.

I like him fine, but he needs plus defenders around him to protect him. We had none.....we do now though.

Kolek wouldn't start. He would play backup guard with one of those guys. Dunn certainly won't start. I'm guessing he will back up KD if he improves his shooting.

But you can't expect much at 28. Hopefully he is better than the last guys we drafted in that range.....Davon Reed, Ulis and Okobo.

The one guy we took at 22 was Casey Jacobsen, though I think we got Finley at 21.

Wesley Person at 23 was solid

[lilfishi22]

Dunn will be fine for what we need....a dirty work defender. The shooting aspect I can live with as the other 3 will be gunning all the time. His defense and his ability to create turnovers will be a Godsend to this team and will do more good than Kolek would've done. Now, if you were to tell me Flipkowski then I'll listen as he can do PG stuff from the 5 spot.

If the Suns trade for Sengun tho then he and Flip can't play together. Dunn is a lock down defender and turnover creator if he plays like his taoe and numbers suggest.

That archetype fits any team that has 3 high level scorers....like us.

you can get non shooting dirt workers from the G League

Lou Dort is a good example.

He was undrafted and signed by OKC, while he was a pretty bad 3pt shooter he improved his shot so you can no longer just leave him wide open from 3.

Dort finally shooting close to 40% from 3 in year 5 is like a best case scenario

[RaisingArizona]

It's an annual tradition. I hate the pick.

[KdoubleDees23]

Suns should have took Collier

[lilfishi22]

It's an annual tradition. I hate the pick.

Let's hope is a CamJo pleasant surprise type pick rather than a Jalen Smith disappointment type pick

Edit: Ironically, the 22nd pick Holmes comp is Jalen Smith according to KOC

[sunsbum]

trade up and draft kolek.

[Mr Puddles]

I think part of our reasoning is that Dunn will be the only pick that we control in the near future. Therefore we need to make a long term commitment so we might as well do this on a guy with high upside in the hope that we will pan out at some point. Dunn going to likely be on our roster for the foreseeable future if for no other reason that we're devoid of other possibilities.

[King4Day]

For those upset with this pick, it was the 28th pick. Even at 22, what do you expect? The perfect player is no longer on the board. Every remaining player has major flaws which is why they have dropped so much.
As has been stated. You can fix shooting, but you can't really teach /improve defense significantly.
Maybe he improves or maybe he's another Okogie. Even if you don't like it, we added a contract and a few more assets we can use to trade players this season (IE: Little)

[Frank Lee]

Low expectation coping mechanism engaged

Going to guess one of Lowery or Dunn has committed… we’ll get some big tomorrow and false giddiness will rise. Atleast give me a Bol to cope

[Mr Puddles]

One silver lining of getting 56 is that the Lakers are drafting at 55. I'd be more worried if we had traded for the 54th pick

[mkot]

Are we going all in on Kolek?

If Holmes ends up being a stud I will never forgive JJ again.

Pick and roll threat, lob thread, can post up, plays the dunker, also has 3pt range. Yeah that's why they targeted him to play alongside Nikola Jokić

Makes sense for us too with our lack of lob threats and big men that can shoot 3's.

Meanwhile I am afraid we drafted another Nasir Little...

They have two playmaker in Jokić and Murray, not only he can play non-Jokić minute, he can also play the non-Gordon minute playing alongside Jokić. On the Suns we will probably park him in the perimeter. I think he looks better at the dunker tbh.

I like Dunn a little more, he is a dawg on the defensive end. We will be playing 4 on 5 on the other end though but with the offensive fire power we have, I think he is a good fit.

[lilfishi22]

For those upset with this pick, it was the 28th pick. Even at 22, what do you expect? The perfect player is no longer on the board. Every remaining player has major flaws which is why they have dropped so much.
As has been stated. You can fix shooting, but you can't really teach /improve defense significantly.
Maybe he improves or maybe he's another Okogie. Even if you don't like it, we added a contract and a few more assets we can use to trade players this season (IE: Little)

For me personally, not someone with as big of a red flag/weakness as Dunn.

Everyone has some weakness but to me, being a complete non-shooter in today's league as a wing is a very tough pill to swallow. And like you said, maybe he's another Okogie in which case, we already have one. What we don't have in any shape or form is a PG with PG skills.

If he can improve his shooting then that would be great but someone shooting 20% from 3 in college while being sub 60% from the FT line generally don't become respectable shooters in the league. How good he'll be in this league with hinge entirely on whether he can be a respectable enough shooter to stay on the floor long enough to make a real difference defensively

[sunsbum]

I like the guy from Dayton better than Dunn. Like what is this kid going to be good at in the NBA? Dunking and defense? He doesn’t even look that athletic tbh. Like yea he can jump but he looks kinda stiff in the air.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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