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Post#881 » by INFORMER-93 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:44 pm

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Post#883 » by Puff » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:25 am

Should and can we make a deal with Philadelphia by trading the Morris Brothers as a package for Thaddeus Young?

The Morris Brothers are from Philadelphia and they could have interest in returning there to play as pros. They are owed less money combined than Thad Young so the Sixers would be getting cap room this year and next and they are not on long term deals.

We would add to our current payroll but still have the Okafor expiring contract for another deal this year or to free up space this summer to go after a max free agent if we so desire, along with all of our draft picks.

I do not like the Okafor and picks for Young rumored deal at all. We would tie up all of our cap room this summer.

I think McDonough is going to do something, what will it be?
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Post#884 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:26 am

Puff wrote:Should and can we make a deal with Philadelphia by trading the Morris Brothers as a package for Thaddeus Young?

The Morris Brothers are from Philadelphia and they could have interest in returning there to play as pros. They are owed less money combined than Thad Young so the Sixers would be getting cap room this year and next and they are not on long term deals.

We would add to our current payroll but still have the Okafor expiring contract for another deal this year or to free up space this summer to go after a max free agent if we so desire, along with all of our draft picks.

I do not like the Okafor and picks for Young rumored deal at all. We would tie up all of our cap room this summer.

I think McDonough is going to do something, what will it be?


A Thad for Morri deal would be great but it's gonna take more than that. The question becomes how much more would philly want. Maybe something like the morri and Archie and indi pick gets it done. Maybe not though. That or a similar deal is about as high a I would go for Thad. I really like his fit on this team but obviously it would depend on the price.


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Post#885 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:31 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:A Thad for Morri deal would be great but it's gonna take more than that. The question becomes how much more would philly want. Maybe something like the morri and Archie and indi pick gets it done. Maybe not though. That or a similar deal is about as high a I would go for Thad. I really like his fit on this team but obviously it would depend on the price.

Pass, if that's what's needed for it to be done. I'd give them the Indie pick and the Morri but not for Archie.
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Post#886 » by INFORMER-93 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:36 am

Puff wrote:I do not like the Okafor and picks for Young rumored deal at all. We would tie up all of our cap room this summer.


Not that I'm in favor of an Okafor + picks deal, but do we really need significant cap space this summer?
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Post#887 » by gaspar » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:41 am

We need a wing playmaker and a good rebounding, defensive big. Trading for Thad solves none of these problems.

Oh and Morris twins, Goodwin and a 1st is way too much for Young.
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Post#888 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:58 am

I'd prefer to not give up Archie but I think that's the kind I deal it would take to get Thad.

Yes this team would still need another wing and more rebounding if you don't get it from Len. But I think Thad can be a starter on a good team and I'm just not sure either morri a late 1st or even Archie will be. Archie could be good or if he doesn't improve his shot he could bust. Like I said I would prefer not to but would include him in a Thad deal but would do it for a guy who would be a building block for this team.


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Post#889 » by Ring_Wanted » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:01 am

That would be my top offer too, but if I made a move with the 76rs right now, it would be for Turner, not Young, unless I could have both at some kind of discount.

When we were healthy an athletic PF made sense (was not my top priority, but still), but with Bledsoe out it is imperative to get someone who can create.

Turner is not perfect, of course, but as a gamble the risk is limited since there is no long term money attached unless we wanted so next summer.

Many believe he wouldn't be a good fit since he needs the ball on his hands, but I think there is still space for one more player like that, and certainly we have a huge hole without one of the guards.

I can't believe I find myself writing this, but besides that kind of perimeter help, I'd look at Pau Gasol too.

Still, my shopping budget wouldn't be bigger than the Morrii, one 1stR, 2ndRs and Okafor. I'd consider Green too if his shooting was replaced in a move. Also Goodwing, as long as he is not valued as a mere throw in, it is, as long as he saves me a pick, for instance.

If those pieces don't get me the kind of help I'd be looking for, I'd just ride with what I have.
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Re: 2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread 

Post#890 » by DirtyDez » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:29 am

Ring_Wanted wrote:That would be my top offer too, but if I made a move with the 76rs right now, it would be for Turner, not Young, unless I could have both at some kind of discount.

When we were healthy an athletic PF made sense (was not my top priority, but still), but with Bledsoe out it is imperative to get someone who can create.

Turner is not perfect, of course, but as a gamble the risk is limited since there is no long term money attached unless we wanted so next summer.

Many believe he wouldn't be a good fit since he needs the ball on his hands, but I think there is still space for one more player like that, and certainly we have a huge hole without one of the guards.

I can't believe I find myself writing this, but besides that kind of perimeter help, I'd look at Pau Gasol too.

Still, my shopping budget wouldn't be bigger than the Morrii, one 1stR, 2ndRs and Okafor. I'd consider Green too if his shooting was replaced in a move. Also Goodwing, as long as he is not valued as a mere throw in, it is, as long as he saves me a pick, for instance.

If those pieces don't get me the kind of help I'd be looking for, I'd just ride with what I have.


Fit-wise you're right. With Bledsoe and Dragic I think Young would fit nicely but without EB I think Turner would make more sense. People can call it empty stats but 19/4/6 is impressive. Longterm he doesn't fit though so giving up assets for a rental player is a no-no.
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Post#891 » by Ring_Wanted » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:40 am

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Ring_Wanted wrote:That would be my top offer too, but if I made a move with the 76rs right now, it would be for Turner, not Young, unless I could have both at some kind of discount.

When we were healthy an athletic PF made sense (was not my top priority, but still), but with Bledsoe out it is imperative to get someone who can create.

Turner is not perfect, of course, but as a gamble the risk is limited since there is no long term money attached unless we wanted so next summer.

Many believe he wouldn't be a good fit since he needs the ball on his hands, but I think there is still space for one more player like that, and certainly we have a huge hole without one of the guards.

I can't believe I find myself writing this, but besides that kind of perimeter help, I'd look at Pau Gasol too.

Still, my shopping budget wouldn't be bigger than the Morrii, one 1stR, 2ndRs and Okafor. I'd consider Green too if his shooting was replaced in a move. Also Goodwing, as long as he is not valued as a mere throw in, it is, as long as he saves me a pick, for instance.

If those pieces don't get me the kind of help I'd be looking for, I'd just ride with what I have.


Fit-wise you're right. With Bledsoe and Dragic I think Young would fit nicely but without EB I think Turner would make more sense. People can call it empty stats but 19/4/6 is impressive. Longterm he doesn't fit though so giving up assets for a rental player is a no-no.

I don't see long term fit a big problem. Bledsoe and Goran need/want the ball, of course, but the game is long, and there is enough room for a third guy capable of creating, especially if said player is versatile, be it Turner or somebody else. In other words, if I were to acquire him, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a rental.

How much would it cost to get him now, and what would he command next summer is another story.

Personally I think you can afford to use the Morrii and Indiana's pick to trade for him, and maybe Goodwin too if Young was added. Wouldn't give up more value than that, tho, but the best part is that we have a ton of flexibility, so you can make tweaks to that proposal, like improving the pick they'd be getting while removing Archie and adding second rounders, for instance.
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Re: 2014 Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread 

Post#892 » by Revived » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:58 am

I'm surprised nobody wants to trade for Greg Monroe. He would actually give us a low post threat, somebody who doesn't rely on jump shots for all their points and a pretty good rebounder too.

Detroit may not be able to afford him or want to keep him with already so much money invested into Jennings, J-Smove and soon Drummond.

Perhaps we can trade for him and get his RFA rights?
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Post#893 » by NTB » Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:05 am

SF88 wrote:I'm surprised nobody wants to trade for Greg Monroe. He would actually give us a low post threat, somebody who doesn't rely on jump shots for all their points and a pretty good rebounder too.

Detroit may not be able to afford him or want to keep him with already so much money invested into Jennings, J-Smove and soon Drummond.

Perhaps we can trade for him and get his RFA rights?


This.

I've always wanted Monroe. Morris Bros + Okafor = Monroe. Fine for me. But i don't know if they want to take MoBros.
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Post#894 » by Qwigglez » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:17 pm

I'm wondering why there hasn't been any trade rumors swirling around the Suns yet, when does the deadline expire again?
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Post#895 » by carey » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:14 pm

I'm not sure Monroe fits in with what we have going on right now. I'm confident Hornacek could adjust our offense so that he can play a role, but do you want to see our team slow down some? I'm enjoying the fast break renaissance.
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Post#896 » by carey » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:15 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I'm wondering why there hasn't been any trade rumors swirling around the Suns yet, when does the deadline expire again?


Thursday, February 20th at 3 P.M. EST is the trade deadline.
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Post#897 » by gaspar » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:21 pm

Monroe is a poor man's Carlos Boozer with no mid-range game. And some dumb team will give him a max in the offseason. No, thanks.
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Post#898 » by INFORMER-93 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:01 pm

gaspar wrote:Monroe is a poor man's Carlos Boozer with no mid-range game. And some dumb team will give him a max in the offseason. No, thanks.


There is a significant difference between the two players: height. Come playoff team, Boozer's has always struggled against length and size. Monroe wouldn't have that problem.

Surrounded by the right pieces, I think Monroe could be a wise investment.
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Post#899 » by INFORMER-93 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:06 pm

Ring_Wanted wrote:I don't see long term fit a big problem. Bledsoe and Goran need/want the ball, of course, but the game is long, and there is enough room for a third guy capable of creating, especially if said player is versatile, be it Turner or somebody else. In other words, if I were to acquire him, it wouldn't necessarily have to be a rental.



Wow, I just don't see it, RW. Turner still has horrible shot selection, his jumper is still a mess, and he needs the ball in his hands too much to be effective. I realize the game is long and there will be opportunities for others to have the ball in their hands besides Dragic and Bledsoe, but the prudent thing to do is to bring in a guy that can also thrive with the Dragic/Bledsoe combo. I'm not convinced Evan Turner can do that. I think we could do a lot better in adding an additional wing player.
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Post#900 » by carey » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:28 pm

INFORMER-93 wrote:Wow, I just don't see it, RW. Turner still has horrible shot selection, his jumper is still a mess, and he needs the ball in his hands too much to be effective. I realize the game is long and there will be opportunities for others to have the ball in their hands besides Dragic and Bledsoe, but the prudent thing to do is to bring in a guy that can also thrive with the Dragic/Bledsoe combo. I'm not convinced Evan Turner can do that. I think we could do a lot better in adding an additional wing player.


This is the Pelicans situation with Tyreke Evans almost exactly. Yet a 3rd guy that needs the ball in his hands a lot to be effective. He seemed to be figuring out his role with the team when Holiday went down. It's nice to have that option, but it's a luxury. I'm sure they'd rather have another piece that compliments their team a bit better.

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