Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[lilfishi22]

Boston offered their own No. 16 pick, the No. 15 pick from the Atlanta Hawks that was acquired in a "prearranged contingency deal," an unprotected future selection from the Brooklyn Nets and their choice of a future first-rounder from either the Memphis Grizzlies or Minnesota Timberwolves, according to Lowe.

Kieff is worth nothing close to that deal. There were also a couple of seconds in that package.

**** me, Michael Jordan is stupid

That's an insane haul for a guy that could've fallen to the end of the lottery. Jordan is an idiot for not taking it and Boston are idiots for offering it.

[Mr-Al]

How about Kieff to Charlotte for Kaminsky + whatever?

Maybe like Kieff for Kaminsky + Marvin Williams (expiring)

Charlotte becomes a much, much, much better team and only loses an unproven rookie

The Suns get the guy they wanted to trade up for in the draft

Essentially Kieff for the 9th pick isn't a bad way to go, maybe throw in a late first or a second rounder

(Zeller in his prime will probably never shoot or pass as well as Kaminsky does now)

You'd have to start Mirza, which isn't fantastic, but Kaminsky is pretty NBA ready and will have stretch-4 ability from Day 1

Don't you think it's a little early for Charlotte to give up on Kaminsky? He hasn't even played a pre-season game for them yet.

How is it giving up on somebody?

Kieff within the next 1-3 years will almost definitely be a better player than Kaminsky, you're just doing a trade that makes your team better

[Stix]

How about Kieff to Charlotte for Kaminsky + whatever?

Maybe like Kieff for Kaminsky + Marvin Williams (expiring)

Charlotte becomes a much, much, much better team and only loses an unproven rookie

The Suns get the guy they wanted to trade up for in the draft

Essentially Kieff for the 9th pick isn't a bad way to go, maybe throw in a late first or a second rounder

(Zeller in his prime will probably never shoot or pass as well as Kaminsky does now)

You'd have to start Mirza, which isn't fantastic, but Kaminsky is pretty NBA ready and will have stretch-4 ability from Day 1

Don't you think it's a little early for Charlotte to give up on Kaminsky? He hasn't even played a pre-season game for them yet.

How is it giving up on somebody?

Kieff within the next 1-3 years will almost definitely be a better player than Kaminsky, you're just doing a trade that makes your team better

Oh sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with Nostradamus here.

If Kaminsky is "NBA Ready" and still on a Rookie contract it makes ZERO sense to trade him for a headcase like Kieff. And like I said before... he hasn't even played a single regular season game yet for the organization. That's like buying a brand new car and not even getting behind the wheel before you trade it in for a more expensive used car.

[Mr-Al]

Don't you think it's a little early for Charlotte to give up on Kaminsky? He hasn't even played a pre-season game for them yet.

How is it giving up on somebody?

Kieff within the next 1-3 years will almost definitely be a better player than Kaminsky, you're just doing a trade that makes your team better

Oh sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with Nostradamus here.

If Kaminsky is "NBA Ready" and still on a Rookie contract is makes ZERO sense to trade him for a headcase like Kieff. And like I said before... he hasn't even played a single regular season game yet for the organization. That's like buying a brand new car and not even getting behind the wheel before you trade it in for a more expensive used car.

You're right, if I was trying to win more games, I'd definitely go for the 22 year old rookie over the 26 year old dude in his prime, makes sense since rookies historically contribute so much early on in their careers

And that analogy doesn't apply in the slightest

[Stix]

How is it giving up on somebody?

Kieff within the next 1-3 years will almost definitely be a better player than Kaminsky, you're just doing a trade that makes your team better

Oh sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with Nostradamus here.

If Kaminsky is "NBA Ready" and still on a Rookie contract is makes ZERO sense to trade him for a headcase like Kieff. And like I said before... he hasn't even played a single regular season game yet for the organization. That's like buying a brand new car and not even getting behind the wheel before you trade it in for a more expensive used car.

You're right, if I was trying to win more games, I'd definitely go for the 22 year old rookie over the 26 year old dude in his prime, makes sense since rookies historically contribute so much early on in their careers

And that analogy doesn't apply in the slightest

You are so oblivious it's actually kind of funny. According to your theory... Minnesota should just trade Towns now for Kieff. I mean, they are trying to win more games right? He's a rookie so he won't contribute that much. Kieff is in his prime, and is obviously a good character guy that won't cause any drama on the team... wow, why aren't people knocking down our door to trade their latest rookie for a chance to get Markieff Morris in his "prime"?

The analogy is actually quite good, I am just trying to put things in terms you might understand since your understanding of basketball seems to have its limitations. Anyway, I am done here... go try and post that on the Hornets board and see what kind of reactions you get. I assure you they won't be as polite as I am being right now.

Good Luck

[Mr-Al]

Oh sorry, didn't realize I was dealing with Nostradamus here.

If Kaminsky is "NBA Ready" and still on a Rookie contract is makes ZERO sense to trade him for a headcase like Kieff. And like I said before... he hasn't even played a single regular season game yet for the organization. That's like buying a brand new car and not even getting behind the wheel before you trade it in for a more expensive used car.

You're right, if I was trying to win more games, I'd definitely go for the 22 year old rookie over the 26 year old dude in his prime, makes sense since rookies historically contribute so much early on in their careers

And that analogy doesn't apply in the slightest

You are so oblivious it's actually kind of funny. According to your theory... Minnesota should just trade Towns now for Kieff. I mean, they are trying to win more games right? He's a rookie so he won't contribute that much. Kieff is in his prime, and is obviously a good character guy that won't cause any drama on the team... wow, why aren't people knocking down our door to trade their latest rookie for a chance to get Markieff Morris in his "prime"?

The analogy is actually quite good, I am just trying to put things in terms you might understand since your understanding of basketball seems to have its limitations. Anyway, I am done here... go try and post that on the Hornets board and see what kind of reactions you get. I assure you they won't be as polite as I am being right now.

Good Luck

You're so smart because Karl Towns, the #1 pick in the draft, is totally comparable to Frank Kaminsky.

And the tanking Timberwolves are totally comparable to the playoff bound Hornets, why didn't I realize that.

And NBA rookies, who statistically are usually terrible, are totally comparable to dependable brand new cars, definitely the most perfect analogy I can think of

[MrMiyagi]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

[jcsunsfan]

How about Kieff to Charlotte for Kaminsky + whatever?

Maybe like Kieff for Kaminsky + Marvin Williams (expiring)

Charlotte becomes a much, much, much better team and only loses an unproven rookie

The Suns get the guy they wanted to trade up for in the draft

Essentially Kieff for the 9th pick isn't a bad way to go, maybe throw in a late first or a second rounder

(Zeller in his prime will probably never shoot or pass as well as Kaminsky does now)

You'd have to start Mirza, which isn't fantastic, but Kaminsky is pretty NBA ready and will have stretch-4 ability from Day 1

I would be ok with that trade but Charlotte turned down a lot to draft Kaminsky. I think they value him much higher than that.

It doesn't matter what any one else thinks of Kaminskys value except Michael Jordan. They would never trade him for Kieff-at least not in the next year or so.

And yes, he is probably NBA ready, although no one knows for sure.

[NavLDO]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

I'll sum it up for you--Z-Tol thinks Kieff is garbage and worth about a ham sandwich, Mr. Al is trying, unsuccessfully I might add, at trying to one-up the most awesome-est Kieff Zen-master trade idea maker on the planet for the Suns on pages 34, 36, and 37, Jordan's/Ainge's intelligence is being questioned over the trade value of Kaminsky, and it was noted that Boston and Minnesota have a metric butt-ton of PFs, while the Suns? Not so much.

I missed a point or two, but there's your gist, and for those that missed it, those 18 most awesome-est trade ideas are linked below! Oh yeah, and I'm

But actually, regarding our PFS, not even counting Kieff, and considering we now have Mirza, Leuer, Jefferson, and Sims, we have a decent stable of PFs ourselves--the problem is, they are all back-up level guys. But if we entered the season with those 4 (Sims is likely a PF/C combo, but his range is actually fairly decent).

We'll obviously lose a bit of talent when we trade Kieff ('when', not 'if'), but over the past couple of weeks in this and the 'Kieff' thread, I think he's being overvalued a bit. The drop from Kieff to Mirza is less than, say what would be a drop-off from an Ibaka to Kieff. IMO, Mirza is being under-valued by many here, so with the over-valuation of Kieff, it sounds like we are going from an All-Pro to a scrub, when really, it's not as much as many think.

If we're forced to start Mirza, with Leuer, Jefferson, and Sims backing him up, I honestly do not believe it takes us from a 48-win team to a 40-win team--to me, it would more likely be a 48-win team to a 45-win team, and to me, that could actually mean th difference between making or not making the playoffs, sadly. We'll see, I guess!

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[jcsunsfan]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

I'll sum it up for you--Z-Tol thinks Kieff is garbage and worth about a ham sandwich, Mr. Al is trying, unsuccessfully I might add, at trying to one-up the most awesome-est Kieff Zen-master trade idea maker on the planet for the Suns on pages 34, 36, and 37, Jordan's/Ainge's intelligence is being questioned over the trade value of Kaminsky, and it was noted that Boston and Minnesota have a metric butt-ton of PFs, while the Suns? Not so much.

I missed a point or two, but there's your gist, and for those that missed it, those 18 most awesome-est trade ideas are linked below! Oh yeah, and I'm

But actually, regarding our PFS, not even counting Kieff, and considering we now have Mirza, Leuer, Jefferson, and Sims, we have a decent stable of PFs ourselves--the problem is, they are all back-up level guys. But if we entered the season with those 4 (Sims is likely a PF/C combo, but his range is actually fairly decent).

We'll obviously lose a bit of talent when we trade Kieff ('when', not 'if'), but over the past couple of weeks in this and the 'Kieff' thread, I think he's being overvalued a bit. The drop from Kieff to Mirza is less than, say what would be a drop-off from an Ibaka to Kieff. IMO, Mirza is being under-valued by many here, so with the over-valuation of Kieff, it sounds like we are going from an All-Pro to a scrub, when really, it's not as much as many think.

If we're forced to start Mirza, with Leuer, Jefferson, and Sims backing him up, I honestly do not believe it takes us from a 48-win team to a 40-win team--to me, it would more likely be a 48-win team to a 45-win team, and to me, that could actually mean th difference between making or not making the playoffs, sadly. We'll see, I guess!

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"let me 'splain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up."

[Mulhollanddrive]

Frank Kaminsky was the next Larry Bird here in June.

[bigfoot]

What the hell is going on in this thread?

Keef beef

[RunDogGun]

Hey, JohnVancouver, Matt Janning signed camp deal with the Nuggets.

[Saberestar]

The NBA fined the Suns' Markieff Morris $10,000 "for a public statement detrimental to the NBA," specifying that it was his trade desire.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcoro/status/641311522321498112

[SunsFanSSOL]

Markieff just tweeted this and deleted it:



Also RT'd the tweet saying he got fined.

[RaisingArizona]

Fashion show tonight! http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2015/09/04/phoenix-suns-add-black-alternate-uniform/71712622/

[TeamTragic]

The NBA fined the Suns' Markieff Morris $10,000 "for a public statement detrimental to the NBA," specifying that it was his trade desire.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcoro/status/641311522321498112

[m1chal]

The NBA fined the Suns' Markieff Morris $10,000 "for a public statement detrimental to the NBA," specifying that it was his trade desire.

https://mobile.twitter.com/paulcoro/status/641311522321498112

We want more! We want more!

[letsgosuns]

Gambo was right. Markieff is turning this into a circus. After the NBA fines him, he mocks the fine by retweeting the news and posting a picture of Kanye West shrugging his shoulders (now deleted). Idk of anybody else in the NBA that would behave this way. What a shame.

[bwgood77]

Gambo was right. Markieff is turning this into a circus. After the NBA fines him, he mocks the fine by retweeting the news and posting a picture of Kanye West shrugging his shoulders (now deleted). Idk of anybody else in the NBA that would behave this way. What a shame.

I know of one person.