Trade Deadline Countdown Pre-Febuary Deadline

[saintEscaton]

The difference between winning and losing a Markieff trade is negligible anyway.

EG. OMG we got Terrance Jones, McD what a genius move. Damn we settled for Patrick Patterson, McD you're fired.

Someone gets it

[Damkac]

I will be grateful for my lifetime for any team that will take this punk for expiring

[bwgood77]

I'm a fan of these self-realisation quotes. I'm going to steal this for use in real life

Cheers

Yeah, wasn't there one something like "There's always a sucker at the poker table...if you can't figure out who it is, it's you." I think I've heard a few variations, all good.

Sorry but this is a clear insult to me (something I have always refrained from doing to other posters since I signed up on this board) and it is ridiculous. So because I want to get rid of two mediocre role players who have not helped the Suns make the playoffs their entire tenure and whom both have had trouble with the law, that makes me a fool? Yeah okay, sure. I am a fool for wanting these two guys off my favorite team right. Jerry Colangelo would have never re-signed Tucker knowing he got a Super Extreme DUI and he would have gotten rid of both of the Morris brothers immediately after their felony assault charges came out. You know he would have. I guess that makes Colangelo a fool too.

Are you talking to me? I didn't even know who or what the original quote was referring to, I was just responding to lilfishi liking that quote. If he was referring to you in some way, and you took it to mean that I was as well, that is far from the case, and sorry to upset you.

[bwgood77]

He started the show off and progressively got louder and louder until he was full on screaming and by the end of it he sounded out of breath. There was actually a pause and his partner was like wow. It was nuts.

He did not give any new information though. Just said he told the Suns six months ago that this would happen and they said no Markieff would be fine and obviously Gambo was right.

He did say a few minutes ago that he spoke to two GM's yesterday and they both said Markieff has no value and the Suns cannot get anything for him and this was even before last night's game. He is saying how the Suns organization is a joke now and how insane it is that Sarver has not released a statement about what happened last night and that he is not saying anything about Markieff at all. Also said Hornacek texted him last night from his son's wedding and asked what is happening to the team because Hornacek's phone was going crazy.

What a crock.

Yeah this is really offbeat. First off Horny's son would never have scheduled his wedding to be on a game night for the Suns. No way Horny misses his son's wedding. Also a wedding on a Wednesday night is a really weird day to pick.

At this point it just seems like Gambo is making stuff up.

[bwgood77]

Im of the mind that we ship keef outta here asap! Hasnt our team gotten enough black eyes already from his behavior?!

The FO is so afraid in losing keef from a value standpoint that it lost sight of the fact that an entire franchise suffered from his antics. I wonder how big a drop in revenue did we lose this year as compared to last year. All the suns websites i visit show massive hemorhage in fan interest. Does the FO know that its compromising its principles and reputation simply by holding on? And keef is not even that good of a player..

For ticket sales alone they SHOULD trade him at the deadline and I'm almost positive they will, but not for crap value. But regardless, I think he will be traded over the summer. No way they start next season with him.

[LukasBMW]

I wanted the Suns to draft Shabazz with the Laker lottery pick we were owed that turned into a late first round pick (Archie) when the NBA instructed the refs to put the Lakers in the playoffs and screw the Wolves.

If we can somehow flip Keef for Shabazz, I'd be happy.

Shabazz can bomb away for the rest of the year.

[LukasBMW]

I just listened to that Gambo clip and rolled my eyes.

When will you guys realize that Gambo, Bill O'Rielly, Alex Jones, Bill Maher, etc. All these guys are just loud mouthed "personalities" that spew garbage on a daily basis to fire up their fan base, boost their ego, line their pockets, and keep the ratings coming in.

The more obnoxious they get, the more viewers they get, the more advertising they get, the more money they get.

LOL @ Gambo going to the Suns directly to warn them about Keef. LOL! Really? Really?!! Like you know more then they do! He's about as informed as the top posters/mods/insiders here.

[RunSunRun]

I never realized how, I'm not sure how to say it, "coddled"?, the Suns are by the Phoenix media until I read here that people are losing their minds over a small time host like Gambo going off on the Suns.

No, no one around the league gives a crap what Gambo has to say. No, Gambo is not destroying Markieff's trade value, Markieff himself is doing a fine job doing that. No, Gambo is not hurting the Suns by being negative.

If it were true that radio hosts had a effect on trade value, we'd get guys for nothing who played on New York, Philly, Boston, Chicago, etc. because their radio hosts always talk negatively unless they are winning.

We, by far, have the tamest sports media for a large market in the entire country. Hell, Carson Palmer had one of the most horrific playoff games I've ever seen and the Phoenix Sports radio hosts all made excuses for him and said it was just a bad day.

Imagine if he was QB for the Bears, Eagles, Jets, Patriots, Giants, etc. The guy would have been Crucified by the media as the anti christ.

[dremill24]

Mulholland has it right.

When is everyone gonna get off this NEED to get 'fair value' for Kieff? He's not some transcendent superstar where if we trade him without getting top dollar it will be debilitating for the franchise. Has a rotation big with a considerable amount of baggage. At this point they'd be getting good value by waiving him.

He's just not worth it..the 'upgraded' piece(s) theyd get at 'good value' are really not that much better than the ones received in a 'losing deal.' And at this point the cost of keeping him longer far outweighs the marginal benefit of waiting to trade him until his value is up.

[Sunsdeuce]

Mulholland has it right.

When is everyone gonna get off this NEED to get 'fair value' for Kieff? He's not some transcendent superstar where if we trade him without getting top dollar it will be debilitating for the franchise. Has a rotation big with a considerable amount of baggage. At this point they'd be getting good value by waiving him.

He's just not worth it..the 'upgraded' piece(s) theyd get at 'good value' are really not that much better than the ones received in a 'losing deal.' And at this point the cost of keeping him longer far outweighs the marginal benefit of waiting to trade him until his value is up.

Exactly, this is one of those scenarios that you cut your losses and move on. Too be honest, Keiff has never really had an impactful style of play anyway. At best he is a decent 6th man. But adding in his emotional insanity, just cut bait.

[bwgood77]

Mulholland has it right.

When is everyone gonna get off this NEED to get 'fair value' for Kieff? He's not some transcendent superstar where if we trade him without getting top dollar it will be debilitating for the franchise. Has a rotation big with a considerable amount of baggage. At this point they'd be getting good value by waiving him.

He's just not worth it..the 'upgraded' piece(s) theyd get at 'good value' are really not that much better than the ones received in a 'losing deal.' And at this point the cost of keeping him longer far outweighs the marginal benefit of waiting to trade him until his value is up.

It's not so much that we need to get fair value, but at this point, you might as well wait until the day of the deadline, when teams put their best deal on the table. It's extremely unlikely we ever see him in a Suns uniform again, so since we've had to endure him for this long, no need to rush a deal tonight, when a better one that's been offered so far comes in a week.

[Sunsdeuce]

Mulholland has it right.

When is everyone gonna get off this NEED to get 'fair value' for Kieff? He's not some transcendent superstar where if we trade him without getting top dollar it will be debilitating for the franchise. Has a rotation big with a considerable amount of baggage. At this point they'd be getting good value by waiving him.

He's just not worth it..the 'upgraded' piece(s) theyd get at 'good value' are really not that much better than the ones received in a 'losing deal.' And at this point the cost of keeping him longer far outweighs the marginal benefit of waiting to trade him until his value is up.

It's not so much that we need to get fair value, but at this point, you might as well wait until the day of the deadline, when teams put their best deal on the table. It's extremely unlikely we ever see him in a Suns uniform again, so since we've had to endure him for this long, no need to rush a deal tonight, when a better one that's been offered so far comes in a week.

Also Agree with this, got a week to dump him, do some fishing, take the biggest fish you catch and move on.

[bhawk]

Mulholland has it right.

When is everyone gonna get off this NEED to get 'fair value' for Kieff? He's not some transcendent superstar where if we trade him without getting top dollar it will be debilitating for the franchise. Has a rotation big with a considerable amount of baggage. At this point they'd be getting good value by waiving him.

He's just not worth it..the 'upgraded' piece(s) theyd get at 'good value' are really not that much better than the ones received in a 'losing deal.' And at this point the cost of keeping him longer far outweighs the marginal benefit of waiting to trade him until his value is up.

It's not so much that we need to get fair value, but at this point, you might as well wait until the day of the deadline, when teams put their best deal on the table. It's extremely unlikely we ever see him in a Suns uniform again, so since we've had to endure him for this long, no need to rush a deal tonight, when a better one that's been offered so far comes in a week.

Also Agree with this, got a week to dump him, do some fishing, take the biggest fish you catch and move on.

Sunsdeuce and bwgood77 have it right. Hold out and get as MUCH as you can. Arguably McD waited too long, but Markieff DOES have value in the league and we should be able to get a fair return.

[Sunsdeuce]

It's not so much that we need to get fair value, but at this point, you might as well wait until the day of the deadline, when teams put their best deal on the table. It's extremely unlikely we ever see him in a Suns uniform again, so since we've had to endure him for this long, no need to rush a deal tonight, when a better one that's been offered so far comes in a week.

Also Agree with this, got a week to dump him, do some fishing, take the biggest fish you catch and move on.

Sunsdeuce and bwgood77 have it right. Hold out and get as MUCH as you can. Arguably McD waited too long, but Markieff DOES have value in the league and we should be able to get a fair return.

Unfortunately, Ryan choose the wrong time of the year (Keif half season of dogging it) to go fishing, and may be stuck with a 4lb fish. Had he went fishing when it was in season (before the season) he may have gotten a 15 pounder.

[Blkbrd671]

Why is everyone on the GB continue to talk about Kieff's pending felony charge? Wasn't it Marcus who did all the assaulting and Kieff is the one who sat back? Secondly, what happened was over a year ago, I'd think the charges would have happened already. I don't think an investigation into aggravated assault would take this long.

Red Tape is the easiest explanation, hence why Lawyers make a killing off just filing paper work. I also think lack of evidence or evidence is not "full proof". The court has to prove the brothers did it and which brother actually assaulted the man, being that they are twins, that can't be easy for eye witnesses or even film.

i think in the end they will settle out of court and the brothers will plead down to misdemeanor.

[JMac1]

Like I said last week, not dumping Kieff. He has value and if you don't believe that, I have some land deep in Florida to sell you. I'd keep him for the rest of the year if the price isn't right. Gambo can go bite one.

[Blkbrd671]

I appreciate seeing other team fans come in with trade ideas as it's a breath of fresh air compared to our own but that Pistons trade idea isn't good. Not enough talent coming back.

Unfortunately, NBA teams will probably think the same way in that this will reduce his value.
Contracts aside, Knight has value on the court and Kieff even more so.
This incident happened on TV but I'm sure there were on times, with different players, that there are altercations.
He is known to be a good teammate beyond what we saw last night. His issues are always with management.

I keep saying it but there's no rush to move him. We are going through a ton of injuries, and an interim coach for a team with no direction. Why would this be the straw that broke the camels back?
Wait until the offseason and try again if necessary. He is playing well right now which means he's capable of good things under the right circumstances (as we see with many players like Kevin Love who was a monster in Minny but not when playing with 2 other stars).

Here is a thought, while Detroit absolutely loves Marcus, we also absolutely love SJ who ideally would play the SF position. With that in mind, i don't think Marcus going out to another team to reunite with his brother is far fetched , especially if it addresses needs for Detroit. Just food for thought on trade proposals. It'll largely depend on who's coming to Detroit. Kieff and Marucs to Portland for Vonleh?

[Sunsdeuce]

I appreciate seeing other team fans come in with trade ideas as it's a breath of fresh air compared to our own but that Pistons trade idea isn't good. Not enough talent coming back.

Unfortunately, NBA teams will probably think the same way in that this will reduce his value.
Contracts aside, Knight has value on the court and Kieff even more so.
This incident happened on TV but I'm sure there were on times, with different players, that there are altercations.
He is known to be a good teammate beyond what we saw last night. His issues are always with management.

I keep saying it but there's no rush to move him. We are going through a ton of injuries, and an interim coach for a team with no direction. Why would this be the straw that broke the camels back?
Wait until the offseason and try again if necessary. He is playing well right now which means he's capable of good things under the right circumstances (as we see with many players like Kevin Love who was a monster in Minny but not when playing with 2 other stars).

Here is a thought, while Detroit absolutely loves Marcus, we also absolutely love SJ who ideally would play the SF position. With that in mind, i don't think Marcus going out to another team to reunite with his brother is far fetched , especially if it addresses needs for Detroit. Just food for thought on trade proposals. It'll largely depend on who's coming to Detroit. Kieff and Marucs to Portland for Vonleh?

Ok so who comes to the Suns? Since this is a Suns board and all.

[Blkbrd671]

Ok so who comes to the Suns? Since this is a Suns board and all.

really don't know what you guys are looking for or need, i am just saying a way to assure a team that Kieff "problems" aren't as dramatic is to have the one player he wants to play with on the said team. Most of the proposals i see have Kieff coming into detroit reuniting with his brother, my point is that Marcus could be removed for the right price.

Kieff+Marcus to Portland

Mcollum+Jennings+Detroit first rounder to Phx

Vonleh+Knight

*disclaimer : this is the base of the trade i am putting out , i do believe fillers are needed to make salaries work.

[BobbieL]

Ok so who comes to the Suns? Since this is a Suns board and all.

really don't know what you guys are looking for or need, i am just saying a way to assure a team that Kieff "problems" aren't as dramatic is to have the one player he wants to play with on the said team. Most of the proposals i see have Kieff coming into detroit reuniting with his brother, my point is that Marcus could be removed for the right price.

Kieff+Marcus to Portland

Mcollum+Jennings+Detroit first rounder to Phx

Vonleh+Knight

*disclaimer : this is the base of the trade i am putting out , i do believe fillers are needed to make salaries work.

I think the easiest trade with Detroit -- and I get they are not trading Stanley is Ersan for Kieff - straight up