The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[Damkac]

A few questions.

1. Would you guys want to trade for Butler?
2. If so, what role would he take on this team? Is he a SF?
3. What kind of package do you think would be realistic?

I'd think if Chicago was trading him, it's because they've decided to rebuild.

I wonder if our #1 & Wizards pick, Bogdon, and Tucker would do it.
This, of course, is assuming we don't land a top 2 pick.

If we don't land a top 2 pick yes I would want to trade for Butler.
Our pick, Wiz pick, Bogdan is a good start point. We'd have to make salaries match though and Tucker isn't moving the needle. We'd probably have to include Warren, and most likely Knight (for salary purposes). Possibly Len too, however him going into a contract year they might rather just have future picks (Miami and probably a protected 2018 1st from us).

So we trade everything other than Bledsoe and Booker for Butler? Not a fan of this plan.

[Qwigglez]

so brandon knight has no desire of coming off the bench... wow, what a surprise.


http://www.abc15.com/sports/sports-blogs-local/phoenix-suns-guard-brandon-knight-didnt-seem-to-like-a-question-about-his-playing-time-next-season

So give you the same role and I expect the same results which is ultimately on the outside of the playoffs. No... your ass is coming off the bench.

[Qwigglez]

A few questions.

1. Would you guys want to trade for Butler?
2. If so, what role would he take on this team? Is he a SF?
3. What kind of package do you think would be realistic?

I'd think if Chicago was trading him, it's because they've decided to rebuild.

I wonder if our #1 & Wizards pick, Bogdon, and Tucker would do it.
This, of course, is assuming we don't land a top 2 pick.

If we don't land a top 2 pick yes I would want to trade for Butler.
Our pick, Wiz pick, Bogdan is a good start point. We'd have to make salaries match though and Tucker isn't moving the needle. We'd probably have to include Warren, and most likely Knight (for salary purposes). Possibly Len too, however him going into a contract year they might rather just have future picks (Miami and probably a protected 2018 1st from us).

So we trade everything other than Bledsoe and Booker for Butler? Not a fan of this plan.

Not really a fan either, just saying what kind of package it would probably take. Bled/Book/Butler/Len is a good core though.

[MathiasPW]

If we don't land a top 2 pick yes I would want to trade for Butler.
Our pick, Wiz pick, Bogdan is a good start point. We'd have to make salaries match though and Tucker isn't moving the needle. We'd probably have to include Warren, and most likely Knight (for salary purposes). Possibly Len too, however him going into a contract year they might rather just have future picks (Miami and probably a protected 2018 1st from us).

So we trade everything other than Bledsoe and Booker for Butler? Not a fan of this plan.

Not really a fan either, just saying what kind of package it would probably take. Bled/Book/Butler/Len is a good core though.

Bledsoe, Booker and Butler would be an awesome 1, 2 and 3. Enough shooting and defense, maybe short on play making.
Go after PF free agents (Horford) with that core and you sure get them to hear you. You still have Chandler at C. Fill the roster with the remaining picks.

[nevetsov]

How about something based around:

Knight to CHI (good fit next to Butler as a floor spreading, off ball PG)

Rose to PHI (need a veteran floor leader and positive role model, money no issue)

Ish and filler to PHX (better suited to backup/ spot starter role than BK)

[letsgosuns]

I think if the Bulls veterans have a problem with Butler as been reported, they should be the ones ousted, not Butler. But if the Bulls decide that Butler is the one to go, I would trade them Knight, Tucker, the Suns pick, and the Cleveland pick. I really do not want to trade Warren because giving up Warren, a top lottery pick, and another first round pick, plus Knight and Tucker is a lot to give up.

I also do not want to give up Len in the package because I am not a believer in trading a center for a shooting guard. I know Len might never become an all-star center but if he does, I would hate to see it happen in another team's uniform. The Suns should give him one more year before he becomes a restricted free agent to see if he turns into an impact player.

Btw, I think the fact that the Suns current players are lobbying for Watson is irrelevant. These current players suck. I do not give a damn what they think. Only bring Watson back if you believe he is 100% the right guy. If you let players like Tucker, Chandler, or Teletovich have a say in who the next coach is, you deserve to be a horrible team. Like a said a while ago, I would be ecstatic if the Suns have an entirely new roster next season with the only returning players being Booker, Warren, and maybe Goodwin, Len, and Bogdanovich.

[lilfishi22]

6 seasons out of the playoffs, 1 lone winning season, start of another rebuild (?), I definitely think we're on the cusp of peak irrelevance.

Start of another rebuild? We started when we traded Steve Nash.


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Yeah and we got ahead of ourselves and tried to expedite our rebuilding process.

[RaisingArizona]

Hold onto your butts, gentlemen. We've reached the offseason.

[bwgood77]

so brandon knight has no desire of coming off the bench... wow, what a surprise.


http://www.abc15.com/sports/sports-blogs-local/phoenix-suns-guard-brandon-knight-didnt-seem-to-like-a-question-about-his-playing-time-next-season

Well he pretty much avoided the question. "I see my role being the same" was his answer several times to the same question. I honestly don't care if he starts as long as Booker gets close to 40 minutes. Bledsoe and Knight should see around 30 each.

[bwgood77]

If we don't land a top 2 pick yes I would want to trade for Butler.
Our pick, Wiz pick, Bogdan is a good start point. We'd have to make salaries match though and Tucker isn't moving the needle. We'd probably have to include Warren, and most likely Knight (for salary purposes). Possibly Len too, however him going into a contract year they might rather just have future picks (Miami and probably a protected 2018 1st from us).

So we trade everything other than Bledsoe and Booker for Butler? Not a fan of this plan.

Not really a fan either, just saying what kind of package it would probably take. Bled/Book/Butler/Len is a good core though.

It would likely take Len and Booker and 13 or Len, and our top two picks. It will take a lot to get an all star locked into long term contract pre-cap hike....they will also want a quality young 2 and big which are their primary needs.

I think, like most any team (especially non playoff ones), they are saying no one is untradable.

[bwgood77]

How about something based around:

Knight to CHI (good fit next to Butler as a floor spreading, off ball PG)

Rose to PHI (need a veteran floor leader and positive role model, money no issue)

Ish and filler to PHX (better suited to backup/ spot starter role than BK)

Heck, I'd probably do that. That clears contracts and gives us a good backup pg. Philly has tons of cap space and doesn't lose much either.

Part of me wants to hope Knight turns into a guy who will help you win, but I think I might just be deceiving myself with false hope.

[bwgood77]

I think if the Bulls veterans have a problem with Butler as been reported, they should be the ones ousted, not Butler. But if the Bulls decide that Butler is the one to go, I would trade them Knight, Tucker, the Suns pick, and the Cleveland pick. I really do not want to trade Warren because giving up Warren, a top lottery pick, and another first round pick, plus Knight and Tucker is a lot to give up.

I also do not want to give up Len in the package because I am not a believer in trading a center for a shooting guard. I know Len might never become an all-star center but if he does, I would hate to see it happen in another team's uniform. The Suns should give him one more year before he becomes a restricted free agent to see if he turns into an impact player.

Btw, I think the fact that the Suns current players are lobbying for Watson is irrelevant. These current players suck. I do not give a damn what they think. Only bring Watson back if you believe he is 100% the right guy. If you let players like Tucker, Chandler, or Teletovich have a say in who the next coach is, you deserve to be a horrible team. Like a said a while ago, I would be ecstatic if the Suns have an entirely new roster next season with the only returning players being Booker, Warren, and maybe Goodwin, Len, and Bogdanovich.

I definitely agree with you very first and very last sentences in that post. I also would trade the crap you mention for Butler, but they wouldn't and I wouldn't trade what I think it would take to get Butler. Now if we miss out on Simmons/Ingram/Bender and could trade our two lotto picks (and it would probably take Len too) for him, I'd think about it, but I wouldn't want to trade Len either. Not sure our two lotto picks would do it alone, but they could take like Murray or Dunn or Hield and than their new big like Poetl if he slides or something.

Dunn//Luwawu/McDermott/Portis/Poeltl as future lineup with Mirotic, Dunleavy, Rose (or whatever they get for him) off the bench.

[DRK]

so brandon knight has no desire of coming off the bench... wow, what a surprise.


http://www.abc15.com/sports/sports-blogs-local/phoenix-suns-guard-brandon-knight-didnt-seem-to-like-a-question-about-his-playing-time-next-season

Well he pretty much avoided the question. "I see my role being the same" was his answer several times to the same question. I honestly don't care if he starts as long as Booker gets close to 40 minutes. Bledsoe and Knight should see around 30 each.

Funny how he talked about "holding ourselves to a high standard," when he's been trash for the entire season.

[Qwigglez]

How about something based around:

Knight to CHI (good fit next to Butler as a floor spreading, off ball PG)

Rose to PHI (need a veteran floor leader and positive role model, money no issue)

Ish and filler to PHX (better suited to backup/ spot starter role than BK)

Heck, I'd probably do that. That clears contracts and gives us a good backup pg. Philly has tons of cap space and doesn't lose much either.

Part of me wants to hope Knight turns into a guy who will help you win, but I think I might just be deceiving myself with false hope.

I think Ish is gonna be a free agent this offseason. He might command something around as high as 9-10mil per season. I'd rather keep Knight at the extra 2.5mil. I know Ish is a good backup PG, but Price is also a good backup PG and probably could be had for a quarter cost of Ish.
Also I'm not too concerned with filling out our bench as a top priority over the offseason. We're gonna most likely bring one of Mirza/Leuer back, and a couple of rookies including Bogdan.

[LukasBMW]

Hahaha! F- you Brandon Knight!

Let's see how the draft shakes out. Once we know where we are picking, we can figure out how we can get rid of Knightmare and who we want in return.

[DRK]

I would gladly trade this year's pick (If not top 3) for Jimmy Butler. Butler, Booker, Bledsoe and Len is an amazing core and Butler and Bled are similar ages.

[rsavaj]

I'm not a Knight fan but he has more value than Ish the Swish Smith

[AtheJ415]

How about something based around:

Knight to CHI (good fit next to Butler as a floor spreading, off ball PG)

Rose to PHI (need a veteran floor leader and positive role model, money no issue)

Ish and filler to PHX (better suited to backup/ spot starter role than BK)

Heck, I'd probably do that. That clears contracts and gives us a good backup pg. Philly has tons of cap space and doesn't lose much either.

Part of me wants to hope Knight turns into a guy who will help you win, but I think I might just be deceiving myself with false hope.

I think Ish is gonna be a free agent this offseason. He might command something around as high as 9-10mil per season. I'd rather keep Knight at the extra 2.5mil. I know Ish is a good backup PG, but Price is also a good backup PG and probably could be had for a quarter cost of Ish.
Also I'm not too concerned with filling out our bench as a top priority over the offseason. We're gonna most likely bring one of Mirza/Leuer back, and a couple of rookies including Bogdan.

Ish would never come here. He's been starting and playing well. He's not going to sign anywhere to be a backup again. He'll pick a place he has a chance to start at. He's not an RFA. It's literally all up to him.

[thamadkant]

I would gladly trade this year's pick (If not top 3) for Jimmy Butler. Butler, Booker, Bledsoe and Len is an amazing core and Butler and Bled are similar ages.

You mean top 2 pick right

[letsgosuns]

Brandon Knight is so pathetic. Seriously. Hey Knight, how do you feel about your role next year. Oh it will be the same exact role as this year. The reporter should have asked then oh so you plan on dribbling the ball off your foot three times a game. Ugh how many losers can Sarver possibly sign.