2016 Draft Thread Part 4

[Kerrsed]

whoa! if only! from Stein: http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16407161/boston-celtics-rebuffed-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

"Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that Hayward is not available."

Everybody is untouchable nowadays, why even use the term? Use to be only reserved for Prime Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and James....now Middletone and Parker and Giannis......the whole team? man please. Just say the deal isn't beneficial for the Bucks.

There is a difference because Small Market Teams like the Bucks have learned that it is damn near impossible to attract big name star FA's, so they almost have to make sure that when they strike gold (or even silver) in the draft and get a player like Parker or Giannis or Middleton, they have to hold on to them as they might be the best they get. Sure they COULD maybe trade for a star type player, but most likely that star will be older and on a end of contract deal, meaning that they would look to leave a place like Milwaukee as a FA as soon as they could.

[8on]

we definitely have better assets than Boston. we could make Utah a killer offer. i wouldn't be surprised if Utah changed their mind tomorrow......or we offer up Bledsoe.....or Booker (hope we do neither)

[GDFTony]

Someone on Reddit noticed that Marquese Chriss liked all these Phoenix oriented tweets:

https://twitter.com/OsoJvsh_/status/745020664537448448
https://twitter.com/Earl_Watson/status/744996763891695616
https://twitter.com/SunsNation_NBA/status/744594596752134145
https://twitter.com/knowthepro/status/744024636652916740

As well as following Earl Watson too. Sorry if this was already posted but I thought this might be a good indicator of where we are leaning.

[JMac1]

whoa! if only! from Stein: http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/16407161/boston-celtics-rebuffed-bid-swap-no-3-draft-pick-established-veteran

"Sources say the Celtics are one of just a number of teams trying to convince Utah to surrender Hayward -- Phoenix, which holds two lottery picks (No. 4 and 13) in Thursday's draft, is another -- but the Jazz have been telling interested teams that Hayward is not available."

Everybody is untouchable nowadays, why even use the term? Use to be only reserved for Prime Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and James....now Middletone and Parker and Giannis......the whole team? man please. Just say the deal isn't beneficial for the Bucks.

Everyone thought Boston had a ton of assets, but they don't have players people want or to trade their 2017 Brooklyn pick. We don't have much we are probably willing to offer either I'm guessing for those types of packages.

I thought you could trade back to back 1st's

[bwgood77]

Everybody is untouchable nowadays, why even use the term? Use to be only reserved for Prime Shaq, Duncan, Kobe and James....now Middletone and Parker and Giannis......the whole team? man please. Just say the deal isn't beneficial for the Bucks.

Everyone thought Boston had a ton of assets, but they don't have players people want or to trade their 2017 Brooklyn pick. We don't have much we are probably willing to offer either I'm guessing for those types of packages.

I thought you could trade back to back 1st's

You mean could NOT? You can't. Unless the draft is over. Then they could trade that 2017 pick. But there is a chance in a GREAT draft at the top that could be the #1 pick, so it is extremely unlikely they trade it.

[Qwigglez]

Yup. I think Chriss is our pick. All of this Twitter stuff, plus that picture of Bender with McD, Bender looks uncomfortable like he's adjusting his shirt, I know it's only one picture but still.
Lets all jump on the Chriss train, dude is going to be the next Paul George!

[8on]

Chriss could be advertising to be picked there......or he could already be the pick. we'll find out soon.

i would be intrigued by Chriss. there's risk, but there's just as much upside. we'd have to be good about player development. so far there's really not enough evidence of that, but he could be a monster. in a draft where no one at #4 is a sure thing for us, Chriss is worth the pick.

[saintEscaton]

*Cues rimshot*

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'm glad the discussion has turned to whether Marquese Chriss (and Dragan Bender) is BPA, not just because he's a PF.

99% of the time a rookie is not going to be better than a FA you could get to fill a need.

[JMac1]

Everyone thought Boston had a ton of assets, but they don't have players people want or to trade their 2017 Brooklyn pick. We don't have much we are probably willing to offer either I'm guessing for those types of packages.

I thought you could trade back to back 1st's

You mean could NOT? You can't. Unless the draft is over. Then they could trade that 2017 pick. But there is a chance in a GREAT draft at the top that could be the #1 pick, so it is extremely unlikely they trade it.

Yup, couldn't. I mean Brooklyn can't trade 2016 and 2017 first. Everyone is saying the Celtics own it.

[lilfishi22]

again......why do people think Okafor (specifically), a center who can't stretch the floor, play defense, or rebound, a good fit as a Phoenix Sun? you know, the run and gun fun ones? it's not a match.

Honestly, we have one (Booker), maybe two pieces (Warren/Len) that we're likely to keep around going forward. We don't have an identity right now, we don't really have a winning system, we're in talent/youth accumulation mode right now, otherwise known as a Rebuild.

I would trade any asset on this team outside of Booker and including Len, Warren, picks etc if it means we're bringing back legit young talent. Knight and Bledsoe both seem to be available if a decent offer comes through. PJ and Chandler could be had for even less. Outside of our young trio and the players I just mentioned, everyone else is literally in transition.

I care less about how someone like Okafor, Bender, Chriss or any other young talent "fits" into our team because we don't have a winning forumla right now. If we have a winning formula with the pieces like the Spurs then you definitely value fit over talent/potential but when you're a young team looking to take the next step, I think you have the swing for the fences.

What makes you think Bledsoe is on the block? I don't think so at all. I don't even think Knight is on the block. I think they'd listen to any calls, but I don't think they are actively looking to trade certain players right now unless they can land a star. Those guys are not getting you someone like Butler or even a big from Philly. I guess Knight and 4 might get you a Philly big but I don't think McD wants one of them.

I don't think they are on the block but I don't believe McD is wedded to the idea of having both of them as our starting back court going forward. With Booker developing, I think he's very open to the idea of moving Bledsoe/Knight if an offer comes along. Again, I'm not saying they are on the block, I just don't think McD sees Bledsoe/Knight as the backcourt of the future.

[JMac1]

I'm glad the discussion has turned to whether Marquese Chriss (and Dragan Bender) is BPA, not just because he's a PF.

99% of the time a rookie is not going to be better than a FA you could get to fill a need.

Its been like that since day one, but people kind of narrowed it down to those two because we need a PF. Like it has been mentioned here, there is no discernible difference between 3-8, so why don't we choose between Bender and Chriss, either could be BPA let alone the best player in the draft (Per many sites), sorry Saint......but its true

[Kerrsed]

I thought you could trade back to back 1st's

You mean could NOT? You can't. Unless the draft is over. Then they could trade that 2017 pick. But there is a chance in a GREAT draft at the top that could be the #1 pick, so it is extremely unlikely they trade it.

Yup, couldn't. I mean Brooklyn can't trade 2016 and 2017 first. Everyone is saying the Celtics own it.

Its partially right. The Celtics do own the RIGHT to swap picks with the nets in the 2017 draft.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

[JMac1]

Chriss could be advertising to be picked there......or he could already be the pick. we'll find out soon.

i would be intrigued by Chriss. there's risk, but there's just as much upside. we'd have to be good about player development. so far there's really not enough evidence of that, but he could be a monster. in a draft where no one at #4 is a sure thing for us, Chriss is worth the pick.

As long as he has All-star potential, I could give a crap. Gives me something to look forward too. I think Bender is tougher and has more want in him.

[8on]

BPA is Murray or Dunn.

[8on]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheJetOnTNT/status/745329727834099713[/tweet]

"if the team doesn't need me to score as much, i'm fine with that."

sounds like us!!! (or Boston. or Minnesota. ok, i already take it back, but it could be us.)

[saintEscaton]

Wait I though our frontcourt could use more firepower?

[bwgood77]

I'm glad the discussion has turned to whether Marquese Chriss (and Dragan Bender) is BPA, not just because he's a PF.

99% of the time a rookie is not going to be better than a FA you could get to fill a need.

You mean they NEVER will be or they won't be immediately? Of course they won't be immediately. If you mean, won't pan out to be, well you never know. I don't think we can get more than an avg player with our pick so I'd rather keep it and roll the dice.

[bwgood77]

You mean could NOT? You can't. Unless the draft is over. Then they could trade that 2017 pick. But there is a chance in a GREAT draft at the top that could be the #1 pick, so it is extremely unlikely they trade it.

Yup, couldn't. I mean Brooklyn can't trade 2016 and 2017 first. Everyone is saying the Celtics own it.

Its partially right. The Celtics do own the RIGHT to swap picks with the nets in the 2017 draft.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

I think that's what he meant, so either way, the 2017 pick is their own (and the rights to swap it) so it can't be traded if they trade their 2016 one prior to the draft. If they own the Brooklyn 2018 unprotected pick, they could trade that.

[Mulhollanddrive]

A random guy (historically) like Frye, Teletovic, Warrick, Leuer etc...would most likely outperform Chriss or Bender at least for 1-2 years, and by then who knows what position of need is.

So take Chriss or Bender if they're considered BPA no problem.