2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

[Frank Lee]

Carter is an ineffective 1, that doesn't mean he's a 2, nor a 'combo'. He got minutes by default as much as any other reason.

[bwgood77]

It's lonely here on Ty Jerome island. In any case, he's under contract next season, he's young, and he's under contractual control in case he starts to play well. I'm also relatively optimistic about Cam Payne. I guess I'd rather give those guys a good shot by allowing them to play next to actual wings rather than each other (and other point guards).

Ty hits buzzer beaters and misses every open three. He moves his feet too much playing defense in the half court. EJ talked about him having "nervous energy." I see a young player overthinking everything.

In any case, I agree we need a third, veteran PG. Still hoping it's Cam, but obviously if he doesn't perform in SL, we need someone else. I just don't want to draft a guy like Kira or Anthony because I feel like that's punting on our investment in Jerome.

I don't really know much about Kira but don't want Anthony either. I have no idea what they will do at the draft, because I think it could be any position except C, but it largely depends on where we pick and who is available. But I would probably prefer a vet backup in FA at PG to a raw prospect unless it's one of the top 3 PG prospects.

Suns absolutely need another good guard, be the draft, fa, or trade that should be priority #1 this off-season. Haliburton feels like the perfect fit but probably need some lotto luck to land him.

They should add another wing to the roster this summer even if it's just a end of the bench type depth guy. The roster was unbalanced this year with way too many 3rd string PGs and the only wings they had were the ones who played so when an injury hit they didn't really have an answer.

As far as drafting Lewis or Anthony if the board falls a certain way I wouldn't have an issue with either guy if they were BPA and in that 10 spot BPA is going to be in the eye of the beholder. If they go that route I'd still try to sign a vet combo guard.

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I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

It's too bad we are behind Washington. Obviously they have Wall, but they could look to go PG since their backups are Ish Smith, Isaiah Thomas and Shabazz Napier....better than ours at this point for backups, and I don't know if Wall is ready next year...they could probably use a SF though if they are using Rui at PF...since they have Beal and Bryant.

Other than that, I don't know if GS, Clev, Minn, Atl, Chi or Cha would take one. I think only maybe NY, Det and then Was.

[bwgood77]

Carter is an ineffective 1, that doesn't mean he's a 2, nor a 'combo'. He got minutes by default as much as any other reason.

I agree..I guess what I meant is he is a shooter and defender...but not a primary ballhandler. If he had more size he could be a 3&D type SG potentially....or I guess if your primary ball handler was your "2", he could be your 3&D 1 like Beverley. He's just too small.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't really know much about Kira but don't want Anthony either. I have no idea what they will do at the draft, because I think it could be any position except C, but it largely depends on where we pick and who is available. But I would probably prefer a vet backup in FA at PG to a raw prospect unless it's one of the top 3 PG prospects.

Suns absolutely need another good guard, be the draft, fa, or trade that should be priority #1 this off-season. Haliburton feels like the perfect fit but probably need some lotto luck to land him.

They should add another wing to the roster this summer even if it's just a end of the bench type depth guy. The roster was unbalanced this year with way too many 3rd string PGs and the only wings they had were the ones who played so when an injury hit they didn't really have an answer.

As far as drafting Lewis or Anthony if the board falls a certain way I wouldn't have an issue with either guy if they were BPA and in that 10 spot BPA is going to be in the eye of the beholder. If they go that route I'd still try to sign a vet combo guard.

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I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

It's too bad we are behind Washington. Obviously they have Wall, but they could look to go PG since their backups are Ish Smith, Isaiah Thomas and Shabazz Napier....better than ours at this point for backups, and I don't know if Wall is ready next year...they could probably use a SF though if they are using Rui at PF...since they have Beal and Bryant.

Other than that, I don't know if GS, Clev, Minn, Atl, Chi or Cha would take one. I think only maybe NY, Det and then Was.

That stuff is always hard to predict, like last year we be saying no way Cleveland takes a PG having just took Sexton but they took Garland anyway. Haliburton and Hayes are big enough to play next to a traditional PG so fit isn't as big of a deal.



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[bwgood77]

Suns absolutely need another good guard, be the draft, fa, or trade that should be priority #1 this off-season. Haliburton feels like the perfect fit but probably need some lotto luck to land him.

They should add another wing to the roster this summer even if it's just a end of the bench type depth guy. The roster was unbalanced this year with way too many 3rd string PGs and the only wings they had were the ones who played so when an injury hit they didn't really have an answer.

As far as drafting Lewis or Anthony if the board falls a certain way I wouldn't have an issue with either guy if they were BPA and in that 10 spot BPA is going to be in the eye of the beholder. If they go that route I'd still try to sign a vet combo guard.

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I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

It's too bad we are behind Washington. Obviously they have Wall, but they could look to go PG since their backups are Ish Smith, Isaiah Thomas and Shabazz Napier....better than ours at this point for backups, and I don't know if Wall is ready next year...they could probably use a SF though if they are using Rui at PF...since they have Beal and Bryant.

Other than that, I don't know if GS, Clev, Minn, Atl, Chi or Cha would take one. I think only maybe NY, Det and then Was.

That stuff is always hard to predict, like last year we be saying no way Cleveland takes a PG having just took Sexton but they took Garland anyway. Haliburton and Hayes are big enough to play next to a traditional PG so fit isn't as big of a deal.

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Yeah, I thought for sure Cleveland would take Culver. I will say though, "No way Cleveland takes a PG this year"....and really, I don't see it for Atlanta at all or Chicago or Charlotte.....annd probably not Minnesota. GS could go in a lot of directions, but my guess is they want either someone like Vassell or someone like Toppin...or possibly Advija....a guy they can plug and play with their big 3 and Wiggins...preferably another floor spreader I'm guessing since they have Green. BUT, a guy like Halliburton cold be a guy they like too for depth.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

It's too bad we are behind Washington. Obviously they have Wall, but they could look to go PG since their backups are Ish Smith, Isaiah Thomas and Shabazz Napier....better than ours at this point for backups, and I don't know if Wall is ready next year...they could probably use a SF though if they are using Rui at PF...since they have Beal and Bryant.

Other than that, I don't know if GS, Clev, Minn, Atl, Chi or Cha would take one. I think only maybe NY, Det and then Was.

That stuff is always hard to predict, like last year we be saying no way Cleveland takes a PG having just took Sexton but they took Garland anyway. Haliburton and Hayes are big enough to play next to a traditional PG so fit isn't as big of a deal.

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Yeah, I thought for sure Cleveland would take Culver. I will say though, "No way Cleveland takes a PG this year"....and really, I don't see it for Atlanta at all or Chicago or Charlotte.....annd probably not Minnesota. GS could go in a lot of directions, but my guess is they want either someone like Vassell or someone like Toppin...or possibly Advija....a guy they can plug and play with their big 3 and Wiggins...preferably another floor spreader I'm guessing since they have Green. BUT, a guy like Halliburton cold be a guy they like too for depth.

I actually think GS really needs a secondary ball handler to take some pressure off Curry. But yeah they could go a lot of directions with their pick (if they keep it).

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[bwgood77]

That stuff is always hard to predict, like last year we be saying no way Cleveland takes a PG having just took Sexton but they took Garland anyway. Haliburton and Hayes are big enough to play next to a traditional PG so fit isn't as big of a deal.

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Yeah, I thought for sure Cleveland would take Culver. I will say though, "No way Cleveland takes a PG this year"....and really, I don't see it for Atlanta at all or Chicago or Charlotte.....annd probably not Minnesota. GS could go in a lot of directions, but my guess is they want either someone like Vassell or someone like Toppin...or possibly Advija....a guy they can plug and play with their big 3 and Wiggins...preferably another floor spreader I'm guessing since they have Green. BUT, a guy like Halliburton cold be a guy they like too for depth.

I actually think GS really needs a secondary ball handler to take some pressure off Curry. But yeah they could go a lot of directions with their pick (if they keep it).

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I was thinking that which is mentioned Halliburton but at the same time didn't mention it to start because Draymond is almost used as a primary playmaker, with over 6 assists per game, though I guess you wouldn't think of him as a guy who brought the ball up the floor, etc. Wiggins actually handles it quite a bit too and averages 3-4 assists per game. They are one team I could see going in multiple directions..there was talk of Wiseman too and that's a possibility but I don't know if I see them wanting to play with him and Green together.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

I don't really know much about Kira but don't want Anthony either. I have no idea what they will do at the draft, because I think it could be any position except C, but it largely depends on where we pick and who is available. But I would probably prefer a vet backup in FA at PG to a raw prospect unless it's one of the top 3 PG prospects.

Suns absolutely need another good guard, be the draft, fa, or trade that should be priority #1 this off-season. Haliburton feels like the perfect fit but probably need some lotto luck to land him.

They should add another wing to the roster this summer even if it's just a end of the bench type depth guy. The roster was unbalanced this year with way too many 3rd string PGs and the only wings they had were the ones who played so when an injury hit they didn't really have an answer.

As far as drafting Lewis or Anthony if the board falls a certain way I wouldn't have an issue with either guy if they were BPA and in that 10 spot BPA is going to be in the eye of the beholder. If they go that route I'd still try to sign a vet combo guard.

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I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

It's too bad we are behind Washington. Obviously they have Wall, but they could look to go PG since their backups are Ish Smith, Isaiah Thomas and Shabazz Napier....better than ours at this point for backups, and I don't know if Wall is ready next year...they could probably use a SF though if they are using Rui at PF...since they have Beal and Bryant.

Other than that, I don't know if GS, Clev, Minn, Atl, Chi or Cha would take one. I think only maybe NY, Det and then Was.

I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

I know that it's just an opinion, And yes, It's going to be very difficult to predict before the lottery is determined. But assuming the order plays out like the list above, I would then see it play out pretty much like this.

1- Golden State. Ball, Just too tempting to add an elite facilitator with all those elite shooters and scorers.

2- Cleveland. Edwards, They definitely need an upgrade at the 2/3. Garland can play in a 6th man role off the bench.

3- Minnesota. Haliburton, He's the perfect playmaking/ defensive guard option to play off of Russell, Whose just better at the 2 guard.

4- Atlanta. Vassell, He's the perfect defensive compliment to play between Young and Huerter in the backcourt. And his shooting means that he's not a liability for them on the offensive end either.

5- Detroit. Hayes. They'd have preferred Haliburton for his defensive compliment to Kennard, But Hayes will do fine. They don't look to Toppin as they still have Griffin, AND also Wood potentially.

6- New York. Cole Anthony, He's a hometown product, And all of the other best guard options are already gone. And is a perfect offensive compliment in the backcourt with Barrett. They also don't look at Toppin, As they still have Randle and Gibson on the roster.

7- Chicago. Okoro, Chicago has a ton of scoring options, But really needs a defensive compliment to between Lavine, White and Markannen. They hope for Okoro to develop into another Jimmy Butler for them. They don't look at Toppin, As the new front office is still behind Markannen as a cornerstone piece.

8- Charlotte. Wiseman, The Hornets definitely need frontcourt size, And since they're not yet ready to compete, Wiseman's potential is simply too tempting to pass on.

9- Washington. Okungwu, They really wanted Wiseman, But will settle for the next best defensive big option at the 4/5 interchangeably with Bryant whose better offensively than he is defensively. A Bryant/ Okungwu front will be really dominant defensively for them. And then they'll look to resign Bertrans for offense at the 3.

10- Phoenix. Toppin, It's just too much of a perfect fit offensively for Phoenix. They desperately could use his athleticism, Vertical gravity, floor spacing and passing at the 4. They're not really worried about his offense, As Ayton is constantly improving defensively. And Bridges and Oubre can also help cover for him situationally.

*** Phoenix looks to trade Oubre to Dallas for Delon Wright/ 18th pick. They draft Tyler Bey at 18 for added defense next to Toppin. And for defense off the bench next to Cam at the 4. Then they use the additional cap space from moving Oubre to sign Jerami Grant for 45/3.

Phoenixs' new lineup:

- Rubio/ Wright/ Carter.
- Booker/ Burks/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ Cam / T. Bey.
- Grant/ Toppin/ Cam.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Grant.

Or something to that effect. Other than Baynes, All of Saric, Kaminsky, Diallo, Okobo, Payne are released.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Spoiler:

Suns absolutely need another good guard, be the draft, fa, or trade that should be priority #1 this off-season. Haliburton feels like the perfect fit but probably need some lotto luck to land him.

They should add another wing to the roster this summer even if it's just a end of the bench type depth guy. The roster was unbalanced this year with way too many 3rd string PGs and the only wings they had were the ones who played so when an injury hit they didn't really have an answer.

As far as drafting Lewis or Anthony if the board falls a certain way I wouldn't have an issue with either guy if they were BPA and in that 10 spot BPA is going to be in the eye of the beholder. If they go that route I'd still try to sign a vet combo guard.

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I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

It's too bad we are behind Washington. Obviously they have Wall, but they could look to go PG since their backups are Ish Smith, Isaiah Thomas and Shabazz Napier....better than ours at this point for backups, and I don't know if Wall is ready next year...they could probably use a SF though if they are using Rui at PF...since they have Beal and Bryant.

Other than that, I don't know if GS, Clev, Minn, Atl, Chi or Cha would take one. I think only maybe NY, Det and then Was.

I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

I know that it's just an opinion, And yes, It's going to be very difficult to predict before the lottery is determined. But assuming the order plays out like the list above, I would then see it play out pretty much like this.

1- Golden State. Ball, Just too tempting to add an elite facilitator with all those elite shooters and scorers.

2- Cleveland. Edwards, They definitely need an upgrade at the 2/3. Garland can play in a 6th man role off the bench.

3- Minnesota. Haliburton, He's the perfect playmaking/ defensive guard option to play off of Russell, Whose just better at the 2 guard.

4- Atlanta. Vassell, He's the perfect defensive compliment to play between Young and Huerter in the backcourt. And his shooting means that he's not a liability for them on the offensive end either.

5- Detroit. Hayes. They'd have preferred Haliburton for his defensive compliment to Kennard, But Hayes will do fine. They don't look to Toppin as they still have Griffin, AND also Wood potentially.

6- New York. Cole Anthony, He's a hometown product, And all of the other best guard options are already gone. And is a perfect offensive compliment in the backcourt with Barrett. They also don't look at Toppin, As they still have Randle and Gibson on the roster.

7- Chicago. Okoro, Chicago has a ton of scoring options, But really needs a defensive compliment to between Lavine, White and Markannen. They hope for Okoro to develop into another Jimmy Butler for them. They don't look at Toppin, As the new front office is still behind Markannen as a cornerstone piece.

8- Charlotte. Wiseman, The Hornets definitely need frontcourt size, And since they're not yet ready to compete, Wiseman's potential is simply too tempting to pass on.

9- Washington. Okungwu, They really wanted Wiseman, But will settle for the next best defensive big option at the 4/5 interchangeably with Bryant whose better offensively than he is defensively. A Bryant/ Okungwu front will be really dominant defensively for them. And then they'll look to resign Bertrans for offense at the 3.

10- Phoenix. Toppin, It's just too much of a perfect fit offensively for Phoenix. They desperately could use his athleticism, Vertical gravity, floor spacing and passing at the 4. They're not really worried about his offense, As Ayton is constantly improving defensively. And Bridges and Oubre can also help cover for him situationally.

*** Phoenix looks to trade Oubre to Dallas for Delon Wright/ 18th pick. They draft Tyler Bey at 18 for added defense next to Toppin. And for defense off the bench next to Cam at the 4. Then they use the additional cap space from moving Oubre to sign Jerami Grant for 45/3.

Phoenixs' new lineup:

- Rubio/ Wright/ Carter.
- Booker/ Burks/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ Cam / T. Bey.
- Grant/ Toppin/ Cam.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Grant.

Or something to that effect. Other than Baynes, All of Saric, Kaminsky, Diallo, Okobo, Payne are released.

And-1's for the mock, which looks really good to me. Complete with the Knicks picking precisely the wrong guy.

But my man, this DAL trade you been pushing won't happen. The rare trade that's bad for both teams. Plus, DAL can't do it unless Tim Hardaway Jr. opts out of that monstrous contract to become a free agent in what will probably be the worst offseason for free agents in recent memory.

And man, I get it with Bey. I love him as a prospect. He's who I'd target if I were in a position to buy a first round pick. But giving Oubre to Doncic for the privilege? Man, even if they were down, that feels like a big mistake. There are easier ways in this world to get yourself a FRP in this draft.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

quote="ImNotMcDiSwear"]

[spoiler]

I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

It's too bad we are behind Washington. Obviously they have Wall, but they could look to go PG since their backups are Ish Smith, Isaiah Thomas and Shabazz Napier....better than ours at this point for backups, and I don't know if Wall is ready next year...they could probably use a SF though if they are using Rui at PF...since they have Beal and Bryant.

Other than that, I don't know if GS, Clev, Minn, Atl, Chi or Cha would take one. I think only maybe NY, Det and then Was.

[spoiler]I wonder what teams will look at PGs in the draft....many or most in the top 10 either drafted one or two recently, just signed someone in FA, or traded for one..

GS
Clev
Minn
Atl
Det
NY
Chi
Cha
Was

I know that it's just an opinion, And yes, It's going to be very difficult to predict before the lottery is determined. But assuming the order plays out like the list above, I would then see it play out pretty much like this.

1- Golden State. Ball, Just too tempting to add an elite facilitator with all those elite shooters and scorers.

2- Cleveland. Edwards, They definitely need an upgrade at the 2/3. Garland can play in a 6th man role off the bench.

3- Minnesota. Haliburton, He's the perfect playmaking/ defensive guard option to play off of Russell, Whose just better at the 2 guard.

4- Atlanta. Vassell, He's the perfect defensive compliment to play between Young and Huerter in the backcourt. And his shooting means that he's not a liability for them on the offensive end either.

5- Detroit. Hayes. They'd have preferred Haliburton for his defensive compliment to Kennard, But Hayes will do fine. They don't look to Toppin as they still have Griffin, AND also Wood potentially.

6- New York. Cole Anthony, He's a hometown product, And all of the other best guard options are already gone. And is a perfect offensive compliment in the backcourt with Barrett. They also don't look at Toppin, As they still have Randle and Gibson on the roster.

7- Chicago. Okoro, Chicago has a ton of scoring options, But really needs a defensive compliment to between Lavine, White and Markannen. They hope for Okoro to develop into another Jimmy Butler for them. They don't look at Toppin, As the new front office is still behind Markannen as a cornerstone piece.

8- Charlotte. Wiseman, The Hornets definitely need frontcourt size, And since they're not yet ready to compete, Wiseman's potential is simply too tempting to pass on.

9- Washington. Okungwu, They really wanted Wiseman, But will settle for the next best defensive big option at the 4/5 interchangeably with Bryant whose better offensively than he is defensively. A Bryant/ Okungwu front will be really dominant defensively for them. And then they'll look to resign Bertrans for offense at the 3.

10- Phoenix. Toppin, It's just too much of a perfect fit offensively for Phoenix. They desperately could use his athleticism, Vertical gravity, floor spacing and passing at the 4. They're not really worried about his offense, As Ayton is constantly improving defensively. And Bridges and Oubre can also help cover for him situationally.

*** Phoenix looks to trade Oubre to Dallas for Delon Wright/ 18th pick. They draft Tyler Bey at 18 for added defense next to Toppin. And for defense off the bench next to Cam at the 4. Then they use the additional cap space from moving Oubre to sign Jerami Grant for 45/3.

Phoenixs' new lineup:

- Rubio/ Wright/ Carter.
- Booker/ Burks/ Jerome.
- Bridges/ Cam / T. Bey.
- Grant/ Toppin/ Cam.
- Ayton/ Baynes/ Grant.

Or something to that effect. Other than Baynes, All of Saric, Kaminsky, Diallo, Okobo, Payne are released.

And-1's for the mock, which looks really good to me. Complete with the Knicks picking precisely the wrong guy.

But my man, this DAL trade you been pushing won't happen. The rare trade that's bad for both teams. Plus, DAL can't do it unless Tim Hardaway Jr. opts out of that monstrous contract to become a free agent in what will probably be the worst offseason for free agents in recent memory.

And man, I get it with Bey. I love him as a prospect. He's who I'd target if I were in a position to buy a first round pick. But giving Oubre to Doncic for the privilege? Man, even if they were down, that feels like a big mistake. There are easier ways in this world to get yourself a FRP in this draft.


Yeah, I get what your saying man. But it's not really for the priviledge. It's more about getting Delon Wright and the additional 6 million in cap difference contractually between Oubres contract and that of Wright which would give us the cap space to offer Jerami Grant (*Oubres' replacement) enough to sign for around 15 million, ( Which would be contractually cost controlled all the way through Both Aytons' and Bridges extensions! And I'd be fine with either T.Bey or Reed at the backup 3/4 as both offer elite defensive versatility next to Toppin, to help cover for them.

And I'm really sorry for somehow misunderstanding the point your trying to make.But why exactly wouldn't this happen? And why would this be bad for both teams? For Dallas, Hardaway Jr. Is listed as their 2 guard, And they only have Dorian Finney Smith and Justin Jackson at the 3. So obviously, Oubre would be a big upgrade for them. And even with his player option at 18 million, The trade with Wright going out reduces that hit down to about only 9 million towards their cap. Or if you look at it against Oubres' 15 million, Then it reduces his incoming amount to only around 6 million added to their current amount. So at worst, They'd be maybe about 6 million over the cap? And they of course could move the contracts of Justin Jackson and Marjonovich to a team with cap space. Perhaps they choose to flip the two players to Detroit for the expiring contract of John henson? And they add the 31 as compensation? Or maybe they give them away for future 2nds. And that's IF Cuban would actually sweat the 6 million for the upgrade??? But that would alleviate the 6 million difference if necessary altogether.

And for us, Again, We'd do this IF ( and only if we anticipate losing Oubre). But This trade frees up the cap space for us to otherwise turn Oubre ( a player that we expect to lose for nothing) into Jerami Grant ( a much better and more defensively versatile compliment to Toppin). And he can also play from the 3-5 for us. And is more or less a similiar yet cheaper trade option than IF we considered Gordon. Who'd also offer more of a defensive fit, But isn't really as versatile, And doesn't hit the three as well. This trade and adding Grant for 15 per through say 2022? would also lock in a cost controlled value for us during the important periods of our core extensions for Ayton/ Bridges. Allowing us more flexibility to pay them accordingly, Without as much monetary complications. And Jerami Grant again, Would be the perfect defensive compliment to both Toppins' and Aytons' offense. Adding the 18, Would just give us even more roster depth and switchability. Whether we select Bey or Reed. I just prefer Bey a bit more in this scenario, As I believe that he could guard the perimeter a bit better than what Reed could at this point?

But you are definitely right that we should given these current circumstances, Be able to keep Oubre (IF we so choose)? And still add like one or two later picks for depth. I just propose this trade as an alternative to losing Oubre next season. And like that it would give us contractual flexibility that we very likely wouldn't have with Oubre as an unrestricted free agent in 2021. And doing this in 2020 during a relatively restrictive free agency, Would again ( most importantly) allow us to lock up Grant on a cheaper contract long term before the potential contractual overpay and escalated bidding that will surely take place in 2021. It's a plan to secure our core and maintain overall cap flexibility heading into our extensions for Both Ayton and Bridges. And I see that as turning a potentially bad situation ( loss of Oubre for nothing) into a win ( Jerami Grant).

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'm sorry for outright ignoring Delon Wright! I'm sorry man. While I still wouldn't do the trade, I do see your motivation now.

I do think the pining I see for Jerami Grant is downright weird. I view him as a significant downgrade from Oubre, and so wouldn't consider moving Kelly to add him. $15 mil per in this environment is also just way, way, way too much in my opinion. I'm looking for depth at small forward, not a major FA signing. That's what I would want Bey for.

Draft picks will be available for straight up cash this year. We've talked about a ton of prospects that you love, and most of those guys will be available later in the draft. I'd much rather buy the rights to one of these players than send Kelly Oubre out for one. Kelly becoming a free agent won't break this franchise and would likely result in 2021 cap space should we choose to let him walk. Bridges's and Cam's emergence make that seem likely to me, so trade him if you like to improve the team--I just don't think this trade would make us better. Kelly's a baller. We'd miss him big time if we did this.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I'm sorry for outright ignoring Delon Wright! I'm sorry man. While I still wouldn't do the trade, I do see your motivation now.

I do think the pining I see for Jerami Grant is downright weird. I view him as a significant downgrade from Oubre, and so wouldn't consider moving Kelly to add him. $15 mil per in this environment is also just way, way, way too much in my opinion. I'm looking for depth at small forward, not a major FA signing. That's what I would want Bey for.

Draft picks will be available for straight up cash this year. We've talked about a ton of prospects that you love, and most of those guys will be available later in the draft. I'd much rather buy the rights to one of these players than send Kelly Oubre out for one. Kelly becoming a free agent won't break this franchise and would likely result in 2021 cap space should we choose to let him walk. Bridges's and Cam's emergence make that seem likely to me, so trade him if you like to improve the team--I just don't think this trade would make us better. Kelly's a baller. We'd miss him big time if we did this.

Very good points as always man.

And I do absolutely agree with the majority of your response, As it's very astute. But the premise is again in that................. The front office has spoken with kelly, And has discerned that be it whatever reason, He'll not intend to resign with us. So with respect to that, The front office then looks to move him for the best assets possible as opposed to mere cap space, Which while somewhat beneficial, Would not prove that advantageous anyways If in 2021 we'd be bidding against a free agency that is saturated with teams that have pooled large chunks of cap space, Creating a bidding war on the majority of quality free agents. However, during this down turned and restrictive free agency with far less suitors, The front office realizes it's more advantageous to offer such a contract and secure the player prior to 2021, With the express intent of avoiding a potential bidding war that would inevitably escalate the contractual price tag well above what they'd have to tender If done this summer instead. So it's actually more of a value to secure such a player this summer as opposed to next. And avoid having to outbid numerous other teams that have also accumulated large portions of cap space, And would be bidding against us.

Also, I get your preference for Oubre, I really do. But Why is it weird to prefer getting a premium young talent and versatile defender in Grant who is obviously a much better defensive compliment to a player like Toppin at the 4, And near perfect as a compliment defensively next to Ayton too? And he'd be locked up contractually on a cap friendly contract equal to what Oubre is getting currently. But likely much less than what Oubres' market value will dictate in 2021 anyways. And whilst I agree that Cam is really improving, And we have Bridges defensively, Cam is not yet nearly good enough defensively to man the 4/5 as a starter. And Bridges is really improving as well, But is also not best suited to play against the bigger 4/5 s' in the post. So there's intrinsic value there in being able to have a bridges on the perimeter and then a Grant in the front court defensively. Oubre and cam are definitely better offensively, But Toppins' weakness is apparently defense, So he'll add that for sure, But he'll need strong defensive support at the 3 and 5 until he improves dramatically. And I get wanting depth at small forward, But again, the premise is that we drafted Toppin to be our 4, And that we have anticipated, and thusly planned for losing Oubre. We'll of course look to Bridges, Cam and Toppin to replace any lost offensive production. But should we lose him, Then we'll still be down one wing, And with only two wings prior to trading for Grant. I see our starters post trade as being:
Rubio/Booker/ Bridges/ Cam/ Grant/ Ayton. A perfect balance of offense and defense. And the bench as: Augustine/ Bridges/ T.Bey/Toppin/Baynes. Again, A perfect balance of offense and defense. Both Bridges and Cam receive starters minutes. Grant helps cover for Cam and Ayton defensively, And during point book situations, You'd have Book/ Bridges/ Cam/ Grant( or Toppin)/ Ayton. And again, The reason I chose Bey over Reed or Smith for this scenario is his greater overall versatility on the perimeter. As well as his 41% 3 pt percentage. He's versatile enough to guard from 2-5 ( small ball lineups). Then IF you're still concerned about our depth at the 2, We can always add additional scoring/ shooting in the draft, With a 2nd round pick for any of:
Immanuel Quickly/ Isiah Joe/ Trevelin Queen/ Skylar Mays/ or my personal favorite Sam Merrill. Or through free agency with any of:
Justin Holiday/ Alec Burks/ Bryn Forbes/ Glenn Robinson 3rd/ Jordan McCrae/ Furkan Korkmaz. Lastly, I'm as you know, not at all opposed to adding draft picks for low cost depth, In fact, I find it to be an optimal choice really. But If we do in fact expect to lose Oubre, Or the front office has for some reason decided to go in a different direction, Then i'd prefer actually getting some veteran contributors AND additional draft assets secured, rather than to just take my chances in a free agency free for all next summer. I see it as a bird in hand scenario. And that's just my preference over added cap space and uncertainty.

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Here's the votes on Combine invitee list! There's definitely some interesting invitations, Just as there's some bizarre exclusions too. Anyways, check out the list and see if your favorite prospects are on there?

- Tyshon Alexander and Paul Reed for McD!
- Desmond Bane and Toppin for Bgood? Not sure if Bane is one of his primary prospects, So I apologize if I'm wrong on this one.
- Kira Lewis Jr. And Tyrell Terry for Week.
- Grant Riller, Elijah Hughes, Skylar Mays and Sam Merrill for me.

*** Other intriguing prospects to really keep an eye on are:
Ayo Dosunma/ CJ Elleby/ Jalen Harris/ Yoeli Childs/ Nathan Knight/ Makur Maker/ John PettyJr/ Yves Pons /Joel Ayayi/ Killian Tillie/ Austin Wiley *( center prospect), ***Kofi Cockburn ( A 7'1 300 lb man child of a center that could bully Steven Adams)!
Both Austin Wiley and Cofi Cockburn are really good center considerations that are late 2nd to undrafted prospects. But also both would add great size and depth to our lineup as a 2nd or 3rd string 5. And both have the potential ( per 40) to average 20/ 10/ 3 blocks. Would also give us Baynes insurance.

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Here's the votes on Combine invitee list! There's definitely some interesting invitations, Just as there's some bizarre exclusions too. Anyways, check out the list and see if your favorite prospects are on there?

- Tyshon Alexander and Paul Reed for McD!
- Desmond Bane and Toppin for Bgood? Not sure if Bane is one of his primary prospects, So I apologize if I'm wrong on this one.
- Kira Lewis Jr. And Tyrell Terry for Week.
- Grant Riller, Elijah Hughes, Skylar Mays and Sam Merrill for me.

*** Other intriguing prospects to really keep an eye on are:
Ayo Dosunma/ CJ Elleby/ Jalen Harris/ Yoeli Childs/ Nathan Knight/ Makur Maker/ John PettyJr/ Yves Pons /Joel Ayayi/ Killian Tillie/ Austin Wiley *( center prospect), ***Kofi Cockburn ( A 7'1 300 lb man child of a center that could bully Steven Adams)!

So far my favorite prospects specifically for the suns are Haliburton and Okongwu. Both would be awesome fits for different needs. Haliburton as the combo guard and Okongwu seems like a good fit as someone who can play either beside Ayton or as a small ball 5. He's raw but if he reaches his potential he would check a ton of boxes in what the suns need.

I'm also very high on Vassell, I always seem to like those 3 and D dudes.

Pretty high on Hayes too although he seems more risky than Haliburton.

As far as the PGs I'm still in the learning process with those guys, but not as down on guys like Anthony as some people are.

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Here's the votes on Combine invitee list! There's definitely some interesting invitations, Just as there's some bizarre exclusions too. Anyways, check out the list and see if your favorite prospects are on there?

- Tyshon Alexander and Paul Reed for McD!
- Desmond Bane and Toppin for Bgood? Not sure if Bane is one of his primary prospects, So I apologize if I'm wrong on this one.
- Kira Lewis Jr. And Tyrell Terry for Week.
- Grant Riller, Elijah Hughes, Skylar Mays and Sam Merrill for me.

*** Other intriguing prospects to really keep an eye on are:
Ayo Dosunma/ CJ Elleby/ Jalen Harris/ Yoeli Childs/ Nathan Knight/ Makur Maker/ John PettyJr/ Yves Pons /Joel Ayayi/ Killian Tillie/ Austin Wiley *( center prospect), ***Kofi Cockburn ( A 7'1 300 lb man child of a center that could bully Steven Adams)!

So far my favorite prospects specifically for the suns are Haliburton and Okongwu. Both would be awesome fits for different needs. Haliburton as the combo guard and Okongwu seems like a good fit as someone who can play either beside Ayton or as a small ball 5. He's raw but if he reaches his potential he would check a ton of boxes in what the suns need.

I'm also very high on Vassell, I always seem to like those 3 and D dudes.

Pretty high on Hayes too although he seems more risky than Haliburton.

As far as the PGs I'm still in the learning process with those guys, but not as down on guys like Anthony as some people are.

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Great response. Sorry for potentially guessing wrong on your prospects. I definitely really like Haliburton and Okungwu for us too. Although not to be a pessimist, But apart from some solid draft luck in the lottery, I just don't think they'll be there for us at 10. And admittedly, My favorite guard prospects being Grant Riller, Tyrell Terry and Sam Merrill. I'd love to see us get Vassell, But have read that some teams expect he could even go as high as 4 or 5 to the Hawks or to Minnesota. And IF we miss out on him, My 2nd very comparable choice becomes Trevelin Queen ( unknown, But very underrated) who is a very good versatile defender and ISO scorer in the josh Richardson mold. If you have time, check him and Sam Merrill out. Both are slated as late 2nds to undrafted prospects, But would be absolute steals for us in terms of added depth. Anyways, Regardless, it'll definitely be interesting to see who rises dramatically in these combines! By the way, I didn't expect him to actually declare for this draft. But check out Cofi Cockburn as a late 2nd value option for 2nd to 3rd string center depth. This kid is an absolute Beast in the paint. And definitely has some young Shaq attributes to his game with his size, Wingspan,
Brute strength and overall dominance.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/04/18/2019-nike-hoop-summit-notes-world-team/

Kofi Cockburn (Jamaica)

High School: Oak Hill Academy

College: Illinois

DOB: 9/1/99 

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7’0” w/ shoes302 lbs7’6” wingspan9’3” standing reach

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** For all of Aytons' finesse, Kofis' game is predicated upon sheer brute force, And unstoppable dominance. He's a monster patrolling the paint. Just watch how easily he dominates every other big man in college basketball. He'd be a great bargain option as a late 2nd to undrafted prospect for us!
And most of all, I'm happy and excited for all of these young kids, Whose lives are about to change soon for the better.

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I don't remember a guy projected later in the draft as universally loved as Riller. Not saying that love is wrong but seems like EVERYONE loves that guy.

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I don't remember a guy projected later in the draft as universally loved as Riller. Not saying that love is wrong but seems like EVERYONE loves that guy.

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He's one of the most loyal players to his teammates, and hometown. And has such an inspiring story! In addition to that, He's just got so much heart, determination, And is simply a gamer and a winner type of player.

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The other most inspiring story that few know of is Trevelin Queen. At one point, he was homeless even, And he fought his way back from that to being considered to have a chance to be drafted even. And I apologize again, But just take a 2nd to look over his stats and defensive metrics.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/trevelin-queen
And here's his inspiring story too.

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And finally, his comparison to Josh Richardson:
http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=trevelin-queen--josh-richardson. Maybe I'm just a softer for a underdog story, But I really like these two prospects for us and hope BOTH get drafted regardless!

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He's kind of interesting but the ringer using a Bender comp made me uneasy lol. I like 10 dudes better at this point.

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Frank, weren't you, like, derisively against any non-PG options a day ago?

I'm big on Poku and would be proud of our FO for having the guts to take him. He's yooooung but I think he's in the conversation for being the most talented player in the draft. I've got a good buddy I always discuss the draft with, and he hates Euros. Hated 'em for over a decade. And HE's a Poku fan.

I refuse to talk you out of it. Maybe the player I'd be most excited to draft.

I think my favorite thing about him is him telling people to chill in his youtube comments....

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Frank, weren't you, like, derisively against any non-PG options a day ago?

I'm big on Poku and would be proud of our FO for having the guts to take him. He's yooooung but I think he's in the conversation for being the most talented player in the draft. I've got a good buddy I always discuss the draft with, and he hates Euros. Hated 'em for over a decade. And HE's a Poku fan.

I refuse to talk you out of it. Maybe the player I'd be most excited to draft.

I think my favorite thing about him is him telling people to chill in his youtube comments....

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7'2 ! He's really trying to secure that Porzingis comp huh?...lol
But seriously. This as you said, IF TRUE, Is definitely a big deal. Although he desperately needs to add more weight and strength still.

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I think my favorite thing about him is him telling people to chill in his youtube comments....

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7'2 ! He's really trying to secure that Porzingis comp huh?...lol
But seriously. This as you said, IF TRUE, Is definitely a big deal. Although he desperately needs to add more weight and strength still.

Yeah, I don't think anyone out there's saying, damn, this boy just ain't tall enough!