2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[Damkac]

Is it possible to do a trade like Rubio + Oubre + pick (+something else?) for Simmons and one of Philly's bad contracts (Horford or Harris)?

May be a trade that benefit both teams thought I'm not sure Philly would trade Simmons without all-star coming they way. And not sure how it works with the cap.

[spanishninja]

Is it possible to do a trade like Rubio + Oubre + pick (+something else?) for Simmons and one of Philly's bad contracts (Horford or Harris)?

May be a trade that benefit both teams thought I'm not sure Philly would trade Simmons without all-star coming they way. And not sure how it works with the cap.

eh, I'm not high enough on Simmons to also take on Horford or Harris. those are terribly bloated contracts

[starbosa10]

Is it possible to do a trade like Rubio + Oubre + pick (+something else?) for Simmons and one of Philly's bad contracts (Horford or Harris)?

May be a trade that benefit both teams thought I'm not sure Philly would trade Simmons without all-star coming they way. And not sure how it works with the cap.

Definitely would not want to be saddled with those contracts, especially with Ayton and bridges extensions down the road

[Damkac]

Is it possible to do a trade like Rubio + Oubre + pick (+something else?) for Simmons and one of Philly's bad contracts (Horford or Harris)?

May be a trade that benefit both teams thought I'm not sure Philly would trade Simmons without all-star coming they way. And not sure how it works with the cap.

eh, I'm not high enough on Simmons to also take on Horford or Harris. those are terribly bloated contracts

I don't know. Would Booker-Simmons-Ayton be the best under 25 trio in the NBA? Maybe it's worth taking that money.

Wow Philly really screw things up. And of course they traded Bridges who they could really use right now.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Looks like free agency and even the draft might get pushed out as the league figures out the financials.

I've been thinking some of the cap numbers (which are tied to revenue) seemed optimistic. Would not surprise me at all if they end up below that $110 number.

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[spanishninja]

Is it possible to do a trade like Rubio + Oubre + pick (+something else?) for Simmons and one of Philly's bad contracts (Horford or Harris)?

May be a trade that benefit both teams thought I'm not sure Philly would trade Simmons without all-star coming they way. And not sure how it works with the cap.

eh, I'm not high enough on Simmons to also take on Horford or Harris. those are terribly bloated contracts

I don't know. Would Booker-Simmons-Ayton be the best under 25 trio in the NBA? Maybe it's worth taking that money.

Wow Philly really screw things up. And of course they traded Bridges who they could really use right now.

Simmons has more strengths than Rubio (better defender, better scorer, bigger, better rebounder), but has weaknesses as well (worse FT shooter, doesn't shoot 3s at all, worse leader, possible injury history, more expensive). Not a clear enough improvement over Rubio even just on a 1-on-1 trade, and you want to take on a max contract in addition?

[Wilber85]

Simmons is peaked. Dude is trash. Todays NBA you need shooters.

[jsierra1985]

I wouldnt even trade cam johnson for simmons straight up....

Simmons is by far the most overrated player in the NBA....you need to have the ability to score in todays nba...idc how good you are on the defensive side of the ball guys like bridges can shoot and still dominate on defense....simmons i will keep saying it is a liability when he is on the court ...

[jsierra1985]

eh, I'm not high enough on Simmons to also take on Horford or Harris. those are terribly bloated contracts

I don't know. Would Booker-Simmons-Ayton be the best under 25 trio in the NBA? Maybe it's worth taking that money.

Wow Philly really screw things up. And of course they traded Bridges who they could really use right now.

Simmons has more strengths than Rubio (better defender, better scorer, bigger, better rebounder), but has weaknesses as well (worse FT shooter, doesn't shoot 3s at all, worse leader, possible injury history, more expensive). Not a clear enough improvement over Rubio even just on a 1-on-1 trade, and you want to take on a max contract in addition?

rubio looked good in the bubble...his 3 point shots were going in...he is a big reason why we went 8-0....simmons would never hit those shots

[bwgood77]

I agree that I don't see the point of trading Embiid for Ayton as Embiid seems to be what we we would want Ayton to eventually become (only healthier). While these past 2 years haven't been the best with Ayton he hasn't been terrible and can most certainly become an all star/NBA type of player. You would think of all fan bases Phoenix Sun fans would know the problems of bailing on talent too soon. Look what happened when we dumped TJ-he's either best or second player on the Pacers and is a fantastic bargain. Also, say what you want about coaching but the fact remains we gave up on IT and he went to Boston and immediately became a MVP candidate. Off all the guys that the Dubs played this season the only ones that were really interested in bringing back was Chriss/Bender and they're a pretty smart organization.

Is it that crazy to think that our 22 yr old 7'1 250 lb center that has a 40 in vert can improve? Especially since he's only played around 100 or so games. I mean yes, Embiid had better numbers starting out but he also played with Simmons-one of the better point guards in the NBA. Ayton has had a half season of Rubio so you can't really complain about him being spoon fed then go on and not mention how Joel got an even better treatment from Simmons.

IF we were to trade him we should wait and see how this Giannis thing plays out. If he decides to leave then a sign and trade would seem to work pretty well for both teams. But for Embiid, I wouldn't like it especially with his very concerning injury issues. I've already mentioned numerous times about how I think Simmons would fit with so I won't do that again but I think he'd fit well as he can do damage inside and let Ayton float and hit that little FT area shot that seems to always fall for him. Speaking of FTs, he needs to shoot more of them obviously and that will come with just more aggression. That's reason #1 of why we need to keep him, 90% of his problems can be solved with just more confidence/aggression. As soon as he realizes he's the best big on the court, its over for the other guys. We don't want that to happen on another team.

Ayton was better this year than I expected. I was happy with his defensive improvement. He improved more than I expected....I was actually very surprised at how much he improved, like Zach Lowe. He is a great rebounder a decent shot blocker, can switch onto guards, now has added a 3 (sure we only saw 1.4 attempts in the bubble as sunskerr mentioned but we saw nothing before, and he sank 2 of his first 3 attempts and 3 of his first 6..I imagine since he JUST added it, by next year he will shoot it a lot more).

I just don't know why people think he will be Embiid or that is who he is. It's not. His game is probably more like Aldridge, but he is a much better rebounder and has more potential. Embiid is very physical. That is not Ayton. His offensive game might be a little more like Duncan but I really hate trying to compare him to people. We don't have our own Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Embiid, etc...we have Ayton. He's his own guy.

[bwgood77]

Simmons is peaked. Dude is trash. Todays NBA you need shooters.

OK, you have annointed him as trash. We must now do whatever we can do to get him.

[bwgood77]

I wouldnt even trade cam johnson for simmons straight up....

Simmons is by far the most overrated player in the NBA....you need to have the ability to score in todays nba...idc how good you are on the defensive side of the ball guys like bridges can shoot and still dominate on defense....simmons i will keep saying it is a liability when he is on the court ...

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but really, I don't want Simmons at what he would likely cost unless it's a no brainer trade. If he started shooting, yes, but the guy doesn't shoot. Defenses don't have to guard him...they can double others more. He needs to get to the rim. He needs to play with 4 shooters. We have a ton of other guys that need to get to the rim...and are great scoring at the rim (Booker/Ayton/Cam/Bridges all very high rim finishers)....with Simmons his defender will always stay near the rim. You simply cannot stretch the floor. This is easy for teams to exploit.

[Slim Charless]

eh, I'm not high enough on Simmons to also take on Horford or Harris. those are terribly bloated contracts

I don't know. Would Booker-Simmons-Ayton be the best under 25 trio in the NBA? Maybe it's worth taking that money.

Wow Philly really screw things up. And of course they traded Bridges who they could really use right now.

I wouldnt even trade cam johnson for simmons straight up....

Simmons is by far the most overrated player in the NBA....you need to have the ability to score in todays nba...idc how good you are on the defensive side of the ball guys like bridges can shoot and still dominate on defense....simmons i will keep saying it is a liability when he is on the court ...

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but really, I don't want Simmons at what he would likely cost unless it's a no brainer trade. If he started shooting, yes, but the guy doesn't shoot. Defenses don't have to guard him...they can double others more. He needs to get to the rim. He needs to play with 4 shooters. We have a ton of other guys that need to get to the rim...and are great scoring at the rim (Booker/Ayton/Cam/Bridges all very high rim finishers)....with Simmons his defender will always stay near the rim. You simply cannot stretch the floor. This is easy for teams to exploit.

Simmons has more strengths than Rubio (better defender, better scorer, bigger, better rebounder), but has weaknesses as well (worse FT shooter, doesn't shoot 3s at all, worse leader, possible injury history, more expensive). Not a clear enough improvement over Rubio even just on a 1-on-1 trade, and you want to take on a max contract in addition?

Its a massive improvement defensively. Massive. I say that knowing full well that Rubio is a very good defender. Simmons is DPOY material. He's also probably better in space as well as he's the better passer with better vision. All this while being 6 years younger.

I don't know if I'd take on Harris in order to convince Philly to trade him to us but Horford can do all the things we want Baynes to do but he can do that ALOT better then Baynes. At a massive increase in money but still...If we can get someone like Simmons while finding a fantastic teacher for Ayton who can fill in big man duty in a clinch -thats not a terrible thing. It would suck to completely clear all cap room for the next few years though

[Slim Charless]

I agree that I don't see the point of trading Embiid for Ayton as Embiid seems to be what we we would want Ayton to eventually become (only healthier). While these past 2 years haven't been the best with Ayton he hasn't been terrible and can most certainly become an all star/NBA type of player. You would think of all fan bases Phoenix Sun fans would know the problems of bailing on talent too soon. Look what happened when we dumped TJ-he's either best or second player on the Pacers and is a fantastic bargain. Also, say what you want about coaching but the fact remains we gave up on IT and he went to Boston and immediately became a MVP candidate. Off all the guys that the Dubs played this season the only ones that were really interested in bringing back was Chriss/Bender and they're a pretty smart organization.

Is it that crazy to think that our 22 yr old 7'1 250 lb center that has a 40 in vert can improve? Especially since he's only played around 100 or so games. I mean yes, Embiid had better numbers starting out but he also played with Simmons-one of the better point guards in the NBA. Ayton has had a half season of Rubio so you can't really complain about him being spoon fed then go on and not mention how Joel got an even better treatment from Simmons.

IF we were to trade him we should wait and see how this Giannis thing plays out. If he decides to leave then a sign and trade would seem to work pretty well for both teams. But for Embiid, I wouldn't like it especially with his very concerning injury issues. I've already mentioned numerous times about how I think Simmons would fit with so I won't do that again but I think he'd fit well as he can do damage inside and let Ayton float and hit that little FT area shot that seems to always fall for him. Speaking of FTs, he needs to shoot more of them obviously and that will come with just more aggression. That's reason #1 of why we need to keep him, 90% of his problems can be solved with just more confidence/aggression. As soon as he realizes he's the best big on the court, its over for the other guys. We don't want that to happen on another team.

Ayton was better this year than I expected. I was happy with his defensive improvement. He improved more than I expected....I was actually very surprised at how much he improved, like Zach Lowe. He is a great rebounder a decent shot blocker, can switch onto guards, now has added a 3 (sure we only saw 1.4 attempts in the bubble as sunskerr mentioned but we saw nothing before, and he sank 2 of his first 3 attempts and 3 of his first 6..I imagine since he JUST added it, by next year he will shoot it a lot more).

I just don't know why people think he will be Embiid or that is who he is. It's not. His game is probably more like Aldridge, but he is a much better rebounder and has more potential. Embiid is very physical. That is not Ayton. His offensive game might be a little more like Duncan but I really hate trying to compare him to people. We don't have our own Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Embiid, etc...we have Ayton. He's his own guy.

You make a good point and I should've been more clear about what I was trying to say. I consider a healthy Embiid the best center in the league. So, when I compare the 2, I mean that Ayton can become the best center in the league playing his own way, not that he becomes a westcoast Embiid.

[BobbieL]

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Looks like free agency and even the draft might get pushed out as the league figures out the financials.

I've been thinking some of the cap numbers (which are tied to revenue) seemed optimistic. Would not surprise me at all if they end up below that $110 number.

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I wonder how this will affect teams over the cap. Which many teams are expected to be over the cap. The Suns were expected to only be one of 6 teams under the cap. This should affect luxury tax levels and what not. Meaning a team like the Warriors - they should be pretty much hard capped with Curry, Klay Wiggins and Draymond. Granted, getting back and Curry and Klay while adding a top 5 pick. They have the trade exception but will they be able to use it

Seems like the NBA has to figure this out

I get its the pandemic and all but the under the cap teams shouldn't be the only ones screwed...

[bwgood77]

eh, I'm not high enough on Simmons to also take on Horford or Harris. those are terribly bloated contracts

I don't know. Would Booker-Simmons-Ayton be the best under 25 trio in the NBA? Maybe it's worth taking that money.

Wow Philly really screw things up. And of course they traded Bridges who they could really use right now.

Simmons has more strengths than Rubio (better defender, better scorer, bigger, better rebounder), but has weaknesses as well (worse FT shooter, doesn't shoot 3s at all, worse leader, possible injury history, more expensive). Not a clear enough improvement over Rubio even just on a 1-on-1 trade, and you want to take on a max contract in addition?

Not only does he not shoot 3s, he doesn't even shoot outside of the key...he only made 5 shots outside of the paint this year...look at this shot chart https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/simmobe01/shooting/2020

If he could shoot, he'd be one of the best players in the NBA....like Doncic with great defense. But when you can't shoot or won't shoot in the game of basketball, it makes things tough for a team.

[bigfoot]

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Looks like free agency and even the draft might get pushed out as the league figures out the financials.

I've been thinking some of the cap numbers (which are tied to revenue) seemed optimistic. Would not surprise me at all if they end up below that $110 number.

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Really if the BRI is cut by 40% because fans can't attend that is a big, big problem to overcome. Already the NBA is withholding 25% of the players' salaries instead of the usual 10% until they figure out the BRI for 2019/2020. Does anyone know if the players' salaries are "prorated" based on the BRI? So for example, Curry is slated to get $40M for this season. Would they use the BRI of 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 BRI to determine a percentage adjustment for Curry. So for example, if there was a 22% reduction in BRI between this season and last, would Curry's salary be reduced by $8.8M? This makes the most sense. At that point, the salary cap is an arbitrary number as a player's salary moves up and down accordingly in good/bad economic years.

[lilfishi22]

Regarding Philly: I am still trying to figure out who thought Embid, Harris and Horford was a good idea

I know the GM is Elton Brand but thats just an odd combination of players.

Not sure what team would be a fit for Horford but that is the player that needs to be traded. Possibly Simmons too

Should've just paid Jimmy

[lilfishi22]

Clearly Simmons would be a better target for us than Embiid. But Simmons and Ayton fit would have the same issues if not worse than Simmons and Embiid. I would be interested in a 3-way swap where the major pieces are Ayton (plus pick/filler) to Washington, Beal to Philly, and Simmons to Phoenix. Though I’ve been on record saying I prefer Beal to Simmons at this point.

On the topic of Simmons and Ayton, I think they would be a better fit. Mostly because Ayton is a clear #2 or #3 mentally imo whereas Simmons and Embiid were vying to be the #1. Also I thought the Simmons and Embiid fit was at its best, just workable. I don't think they greatly complemented each other because neither guys are good shooters (Simmons is definitely not) and both guys wants to control the offense. Ayton just wants to chill, put back a few missed shots and shoot quick fadeaways. That's a farcry from Embiid who LOVES to iso.

I like both Simmons and Beal on this team. I think both could be good fits next to Book

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Looks like free agency and even the draft might get pushed out as the league figures out the financials.

I've been thinking some of the cap numbers (which are tied to revenue) seemed optimistic. Would not surprise me at all if they end up below that $110 number.

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Really if the BRI is cut by 40% because fans can't attend that is a big, big problem to overcome. Already the NBA is withholding 25% of the players' salaries instead of the usual 10% until they figure out the BRI for 2019/2020. Does anyone know if the players' salaries are "prorated" based on the BRI? So for example, Curry is slated to get $40M for this season. Would they use the BRI of 2018/2019 and 2019/2020 BRI to determine a percentage adjustment for Curry. So for example, if there was a 22% reduction in BRI between this season and last, would Curry's salary be reduced by $8.8M? This makes the most sense. At that point, the salary cap is an arbitrary number as a player's salary moves up and down accordingly in good/bad economic years.

I think this is the type of stuff they are trying to work out.

One interesting one is Ben Simmons, I think he was the only guy from his class to sign the extension max last summer so his contract numbers are directly tied to what the cap comes in next year.

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