sunsfan1o1 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
That is a very good package. I'm not much of a fan of Robinson or Rozier, but they both can play, possibly have trade value, and to get Ware and two firsts would be awesome.
Rozier and Robinson's value would be that together they'd give us upwards of 48 million in expiring cap space to begin making key moves as we dip under the 2nd apron.
Now the picks are solid, but the centerpiece that swings this deal to a " yes" is Ware, because without him, the deal just isn't palatable.
Bruh
It’s Kevin Durant. That’s a trade for Bradley Beal.
So you want a guy who doesn’t play (Rozier), a 1 dimensional 3pt shooter unathletic non defender (Robinson), a young big who’s gonna be average at best, a 20th pick who probably won’t amount to anything, a top 5 protected pick that will probably be a mid to lat first rounder because Heat always make the playoffs.
Who’s the point guard of the future? Where are we getting him because we have no draft picks. Smh.
I know, I know! And trust me, I'm one of the few on here still believing that KD could get us a better return than many anticipate! But as with any trade speculation, negotiations, etc you have to consider the high value starting point and the reality of where you end up compromising to amenable settle upon to close the deal!
Now this deal is much better than the credit you're giving it due to these reasons that I'll share again.
1- Expiringstaking back Rozier and Robinson are not for the purpose of actually having them play, but rather to utilize them as expirings that total 48+ million, and if you also dump Micic and Martin too, you'd now have $ over 64 million UNDER THE 2ND APRON.
This means you now would have the ability to make multiple moves that we couldn't before. It's like being a supermax AND midlevel under the 2nd apron. So for example, in this free agency, we could sign any combo of:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2025/type/ufaCENTERS-
Brook Lopez, Myels Turner, Clint Capela, Steven Adams, Kevin Looney, etc.
POINT GUARDS- Malcolm Brogdon, DeAngelo Russell, Chris Paul, Tre Jones, Delon Wright, Cam Payne, Ben Simmons, etc.
POWER FORWARDS- Marvin Bagley, Chris Boucher, Larry Nance, Precious Achiuwa, etc.
But you could also now trade those expirings for other players from teams that are either up against the 2nd apron and want to reduce payroll, or just want to get off of a longer term contract.
Maybe trade for a Marcus Smart, or a Lonzo Ball (taking back P Williams and picking up a draft asset in the process)? Maybe a Jrue Holiday from the Celtics once they win a championship and are looking to quickly get back under the tax line so they don't have to dismantle their team? (under new ownership).
Maybe we use some of that significant cap space to take back some contracts from teams loaded with draft picks, young players, but are facing big extensions and will have to make some very tough choices to let key players go or they'd be hard capped in the 2nd apron ( OKC is a prime example, New York is getting there quickly too). Houston will be eventually as well. Sacramento will be looking to blow it up soon and need to get off contracts!
A perfect opportunity to glean assets, picks, young players for taking back a big salary? Or what if a team is desperate to pivot and wants to rebuild now and would offer incentives to get off of a contract? Maybe a team like New Orleans would want to move Dejounte Murray and bottom out?? Philly, easily would want to get off of Paul George and have to give up assets to get flexibility back.
The idea is having multiple options, rather than not having any as we currently don't!
2- Draft picks- Getting the 20th pick obviously isn't great, but it's much better than just staying at the 29th pick. The 20th pick gives us more options to trade back slightly with other teams that have multiple picks to burn and that would allow us more hits towards impact prospects.
Or we could attach it to one of Allen and/ or O'neale to get a player we previously didn't have the value to trade for before, while still picking up another pick later in this draft? Or we could just end up keeping it and now draft a promising young talent that was currently out of our range at 29. Again options are much better than having none!
Kel ' El Ware- Ware is obviously the centerpiece and crux value here in this trade. Sure he's still only a young 1st year developing talent, that has a long way to go! But he's an ultra mobile, very athletic, high IQ, very versatile 7'1 3 & D center with a developing face up game and 3 PT shooting ability that has a PER 36 of:
15 points/ 12 rebounds/ and almost 2 blocks per game. He's also a player that excelled in his 1st year for in Heat in a very disciplined and demanding system/ culture. Basically he has center of the future potential. And that's something we drastically need after reading away Ayton!
This is a very solid plan B outcome if we can't end up getting the maximum value that many of us would prefer. And that may be the unfortunate reality this summer given KDs age, contract status and age related injury concerns that teams will undoubtedly leverage to depress value and give up less in trade.
