Draft Thread: Who do you want with the 13th pick? Stanley Johnson and WCS added..change votes if you want

[bwgood77]

Thing about Knight is that everyone is worried he can't play off ball and move well without the ball and most importantly, are Suns gonna overpay him?

We will pay him so that is a foregone conclusion. I think he is perhaps better off the ball, but nice to have two vet ballhandlers. A good pg to use 1/3 of the time.

We can trade one of them if the right opportunity presents itself, but we need to show their value, and if it works well enough, perhaps stick with it for awhile. He also seems like a high character guy, which is something we need on the team.

[DirtyDez]

Bledsoe/#13 for #4. I don't think they'd actually do it unless we take Calderone. NY can probably get better offers.

[LukasBMW]

Man, I'm sad.

A Len/Towns front line would have had crazy potential.

Two shot blocking 7 footers that are both agile.

Add in Bledsoe and Warren and you have a heck of a young defensive minded team.

Towns and Okafor are the only sure things in the draft. I don't see a need to trade up to 4. Towns and Okafor will got 1 & 2.

[thamadkant]

I think D'Angelo Russell on a fast tempo team can put up big numbers as a rookie, so yeah, he can be a star on the right system.

[thamadkant]

Why would the Knicks want Bledsoe? Is he really what Phil would want in the triangle?

Perhaps not, maybe a sign and trade with Knight would make more sense. Regardless though I think the Knicks are looking to trade their number 4. They don't own the rights to their pick next year, and with Melo coming back, they're probably thinking playoffs for next year.

Knight would be better for the triangle Phil wants.

If so, then Suns keep Bledsoe... and trade Knight for Mudiay/Russell... whom ever Knicks draft.

I would assume a deal can be struck on draft night and officially take place after re-signing Knight.. or is that illegal?

Knight (re-signed) for Mudiay OR Russell post draft.


If a deal can be struck on draft night.. and it happens to be Mudiay... then Suns can probably trade Bledsoe for Pick 6 + Stauskas from the Kings. If it's Russell, then keep Bledsoe and turn Russell to a SG first PG second.. move Goodwin as backup.

PG: Bledsoe / Goodwin
SG: Russell / Goodwin
SF: Warren / Bogdanovic

Looks like a pretty versatile backcourt.

[thamadkant]

Or how about 76ers?

Bledsoe, Morris twins, Tucker for Pick 3.

76ers end their blatant non-competitive culture and try...

Bledsoe, Markieff, Noel, Embiid, Tucker could make them a very exciting team immediately.

[jredsaz]

Or how about 76ers?

Bledsoe, Morris twins, Tucker for Pick 3.

76ers end their blatant non-competitive culture and try...

Bledsoe, Markieff, Noel, Embiid, Tucker could make them a very exciting team immediately.

76ers want another potential star. I don't think that deal moves the needle for them in that regard.

[jredsaz]

Why would the Knicks want Bledsoe? Is he really what Phil would want in the triangle?

Perhaps not, maybe a sign and trade with Knight would make more sense. Regardless though I think the Knicks are looking to trade their number 4. They don't own the rights to their pick next year, and with Melo coming back, they're probably thinking playoffs for next year.

Knight would be better for the triangle Phil wants.

If so, then Suns keep Bledsoe... and trade Knight for Mudiay/Russell... whom ever Knicks draft.

I would assume a deal can be struck on draft night and officially take place after re-signing Knight.. or is that illegal?

Knight (re-signed) for Mudiay OR Russell post draft.


If a deal can be struck on draft night.. and it happens to be Mudiay... then Suns can probably trade Bledsoe for Pick 6 + Stauskas from the Kings. If it's Russell, then keep Bledsoe and turn Russell to a SG first PG second.. move Goodwin as backup.

PG: Bledsoe / Goodwin
SG: Russell / Goodwin
SF: Warren / Bogdanovic

Looks like a pretty versatile backcourt.

I think the "Phil doesn't want a PG because of the triangle" argument is super overrated. A perimeter defender who can penetrate, score, pass, and rebound is exactly what Jackson is seeking. Bledsoe can be extremely effective in a triangle.

[letsgosuns]

Perhaps not, maybe a sign and trade with Knight would make more sense. Regardless though I think the Knicks are looking to trade their number 4. They don't own the rights to their pick next year, and with Melo coming back, they're probably thinking playoffs for next year.

Knight would be better for the triangle Phil wants.

If so, then Suns keep Bledsoe... and trade Knight for Mudiay/Russell... whom ever Knicks draft.

I would assume a deal can be struck on draft night and officially take place after re-signing Knight.. or is that illegal?

Knight (re-signed) for Mudiay OR Russell post draft.


If a deal can be struck on draft night.. and it happens to be Mudiay... then Suns can probably trade Bledsoe for Pick 6 + Stauskas from the Kings. If it's Russell, then keep Bledsoe and turn Russell to a SG first PG second.. move Goodwin as backup.

PG: Bledsoe / Goodwin
SG: Russell / Goodwin
SF: Warren / Bogdanovic

Looks like a pretty versatile backcourt.

I think the "Phil doesn't want a PG because of the triangle" argument is super overrated. A perimeter defender who can penetrate, score, pass, and rebound is exactly what Jackson is seeking. Bledsoe can be extremely effective in a triangle.

I think the Knicks would take Bledsoe or Knight. At this point, they just need more talent. Their roster is terrible. Carmelo Anthony is only going to get worse as he gets older and they need players immediately. Waiting around for rookies to develop is going to be a tough pill for them to swallow.

[batsmasher]

Seeing Alex today reminded me that he is definitely the face (or future face) of this franchise

That was probably the FO's plan all along for today, to put the bright light of this team in the spotlight. I put emphasis on bright.

[gaspar]

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[JohnWall2]

Well this is exciting, we have the 13th pick again.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I don't think our FO wants to hear that pick 4 is available for Bledsoe, Morri, Warren, Len etc...

It would mean McDonough risking everything he's built for pick 4, who won't be a difference maker before McDonough's contract is up.

Personally, I'd give it all up for Dangelo Russell.

[JohnWall2]

I don't think our FO wants to hear that pick 4 is available for Bledsoe, Morri, Warren, Len etc...

It would mean McDonough risking everything he's built for pick 4, who won't be a difference maker before McDonough's contract is up.

Personally, I'd give it all up for Dangelo Russell.

You would give up Bledsoe, the twins, Len and Warren for Russell? Why don't we throw in our 13th pick while we are a it?

[Mr Puddles]

Chad Ford has us taking Kaminski. Not very surprising although I wouldn't be surprised if Utah picked him over Lyles. Between Gobert and Favors' defensive, Kaminski's shooting touch should bring a different dimension to their front court.

[Saberestar]

At this point my two realistic top options are Cameron Payne and Frank Kaminsky.
I know that Payne is a PG, but we don't have a backup PG and we need one badly.He has a tremendous hesitation move that is very difficult to defend at any level and knows how to score and pass the ball. He is a really good defender, he only needs some extra strength. I think he has huge upside.
About Kaminsky all have been said already. I think that at least he can be a good rotation big all his career, and that at #13 it would be great value. With his height, passing and shooting ability he will have a long career in the NBA for sure.

[alphagorilla]

I think Bledsoe + PJ for knicks 4th + Calderon is fair. Try to hold on to that 13th pick but if not include it also.

Knicks will go hard after LMA,Mgasol, Monroe. So I would think this trade is perfect for them.

Bledsoe
PJ/Hardaway
Melo
?
Gasol

Then explore other trades with Sac, Magic and draft BPA

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Honestly, Bled is a terrific centerpiece for a Knicks trade. Bled is a borderline All-Star in the East on a reasonable, long contract. Hard for the Knicks to get players in their prime on anything approaching a reasonable contract - and their path forward is free agency, so it makes sense that they'd want such contracts. Plus, defense wins championships! Bled and a future pick makes sense as a package... Can anyone name a better player the Knicks could trade that pick for?

Better question - who the hell would we take with the fourth pick?

Then I look at the other teams listed as interested in trading their picks - Orlando, Sacto, Detroit. Two of those teams could plausibly be interested in either Bled or the twins. To trade the twins, we'd need to have them accept a plea deal - and they may not do so that soon. But, hard to get a solid young PF on the trade market. The twins have created bad blood here in Phoenix, which means, from a marketing perspective, they're probably more valuable to any other team. Their crime is pretty defensible from an outsider's perspective - they beat up a guy who was trying to mess around with their mom. Pretty human, even if stupid.

If we move Bledsoe, Goodwin's not ready to start, so who plays the 2?

Exciting!!

[RunDogGun]

Honestly, Bled is a terrific centerpiece for a Knicks trade. Bled is a borderline All-Star in the East on a reasonable, long contract. Hard for the Knicks to get players in their prime on anything approaching a reasonable contract - and their path forward is free agency, so it makes sense that they'd want such contracts. Plus, defense wins championships! Bled and a future pick makes sense as a package... Can anyone name a better player the Knicks could trade that pick for?

Better question - who the hell would we take with the fourth pick?

Then I look at the other teams listed as interested in trading their picks - Orlando, Sacto, Detroit. Two of those teams could plausibly be interested in either Bled or the twins. To trade the twins, we'd need to have them accept a plea deal - and they may not do so that soon. But, hard to get a solid young PF on the trade market. The twins have created bad blood here in Phoenix, which means, from a marketing perspective, they're probably more valuable to any other team. Their crime is pretty defensible from an outsider's perspective - they beat up a guy who was trying to mess around with their mom. Pretty human, even if stupid.

If we move Bledsoe, Goodwin's not ready to start, so who plays the 2?

Exciting!!

For some reason I see the Knicks keeping their pick in the end. Since this rumor is out, many teams will be lowballing the Knicks.

But if we did happen to convince them to take Bledsoe, Tucker could start at the two, and we would have a fairly strong defensive backcourt still. But if we don't move the twins or Marcus (I honestly don't think we will move just one), does Jeff start Marcus over Warren. And if he does, can the fans here handle that?

[Walt_Uoob]

I'm down with acquiring a high pick but I really hope we manage to keep #13 in any such scenario. I'm no scout but from reading about these guys and watching highlights it seems pretty clear there will be someone very intriguing available at #13. NBADraft.net thinks Devin Booker will be there, though others think he'll go much higher. Someone out of, say, Lyles, Dekker, WCS, or Turner should be there, and it sounds like Kaminsky or at least Montrezl Harrell will be there for sure. I could be sold on any of those guys. Seems like a pretty good year to be sitting at 13.