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The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#901 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:17 am

Our Assets:

- 9 first rounders in the next 5 years (Draft Picks)
- Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Chandler (Experience)
- Booker, Warren, Len, Goodwin (Rookies)

It's the FO job to decipher a plan to turn those assets into a contending team.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#902 » by DRK » Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:34 am

letsgosuns wrote:Brandon Knight is so pathetic. Seriously. Hey Knight, how do you feel about your role next year. Oh it will be the same exact role as this year. The reporter should have asked then oh so you plan on dribbling the ball off your foot three times a game. Ugh how many losers can Sarver possibly sign.



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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#903 » by Walt_Uoob » Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:58 am

This is going to sound negative but I actually think it might be the best course of action, and given McDonough's obsession with "assets," seems likely to me too:

I think we're headed for a very uneventful off-season. It doesn't make sense to trade Bledsoe or Knight, as both of them are relatively low in value now compared to where they will likely be later, as Bledsoe's health and Knight's play hopefully both improve and the salary cap rises. Chandler's in the same boat of being overpaid now but having potential to be a trade chip later as the cap rises and our training staff tries to take good care of him. There is a chance of trading Tucker, hopefully along the lines of the Dudley-for-Bledsoe steal, but also a chance that the FO prefers to keep him to retain a fan-favorite and maintain the illusion that we're trying to compete. Meanwhile, we're likely to be outbid in any potential "disgruntled superstar" trade, and likely to get a #5ish pick that won't immediately move the needle either. So we'll trot out a very similar team next year, and with health and development we should improve to the vicinity of the playoff bubble while also developing our youth, which will give us fans some hope and also give the Bledsoe/Knight/Chandler deals another year to become more valuable vs the rising cap.

And as long as at least one of our draft picks is an intriguing power forward, I'm strangely okay with all this.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#904 » by LukasBMW » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:40 am

If GSW wins it all, it wouldn't surprise me if we open the season:

Bledsoe/Price
Knight
Booker
PJ/TJ
Len/Chandler

We just start launching 3's.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#905 » by gaspar » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:50 am

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Post#906 » by lilfishi22 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:09 am

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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#907 » by TeamTragic » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:15 am

letsgosuns wrote:Brandon Knight is so pathetic. Seriously. Hey Knight, how do you feel about your role next year. Oh it will be the same exact role as this year. The reporter should have asked then oh so you plan on dribbling the ball off your foot three times a game. Ugh how many losers can Sarver possibly sign.


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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#908 » by Saberestar » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:15 am

DRK wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
wordsenuff wrote:so brandon knight has no desire of coming off the bench... wow, what a surprise.


http://www.abc15.com/sports/sports-blogs-local/phoenix-suns-guard-brandon-knight-didnt-seem-to-like-a-question-about-his-playing-time-next-season


Well he pretty much avoided the question. "I see my role being the same" was his answer several times to the same question. I honestly don't care if he starts as long as Booker gets close to 40 minutes. Bledsoe and Knight should see around 30 each.


Funny how he talked about "holding ourselves to a high standard," when he's been trash for the entire career.

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Post#909 » by blacksun » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:47 pm

Would be awesome if we can get Butler with just Knight and our picks. Does Butler and Thibs still have a good relationship?

PS. Ive been watching Eric Bledsoe highlights on youtube, it feels like hes been gone for a long time. Am I the only one excited to see a Booker-Bledsoe backcourt next year?
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Post#910 » by carey » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:05 pm

blacksun wrote:Would be awesome if we can get Butler with just Knight and our picks. Does Butler and Thibs still have a good relationship?

PS. Ive been watching Eric Bledsoe highlights on youtube, it feels like hes been gone for a long time. Am I the only one excited to see a Booker-Bledsoe backcourt next year?

No. I am. Booker covers all of Eric's deficiencies, namely outside shooting & late game decision making. We will just run the pick & roll through Booker late in the 4th. I'm kind of excited. We have to move Knight. He is already saying he will be unhappy off the bench and I see no reason to return Booker to a reserve role. Devin has earned a starting spot.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#911 » by bwgood77 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:16 pm

rsavaj wrote:I'm not a Knight fan but he has more value than Ish the Swish Smith


See, I just don't think he adds something to the team, particularly going forward, especially if he starts. Every shot he takes away, every time he turns the ball over, his subpar defense will have positive on court value I suspect. Add the salary on top of that. I think Ish makes others better, while Knight doesn't with his off the mark lobs, and launching twos with open teammates around him.

Now if he can embrace a sixth man type role and play within limitations, maybe.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#912 » by Jdiddy701 » Fri Apr 15, 2016 3:36 pm

I used to like Knight. Wanted to give him a chance but there's no way in hell (Vince McMahons music going on in my head) that he's starting over Devin Booker.


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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#913 » by gaspar » Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:51 pm

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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#914 » by letsgosuns » Fri Apr 15, 2016 7:47 pm

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt/status/721044939040243712[/tweet]


The amount of money spent this coming offseason will be unprecedented. Nearly every team in the league will have somewhere around 20-30 million in cap space. Some teams will have 40 million or more. A team like Philadelphia could end up having 60 million dollars in cap space. A player like Teletovich might get 15 million a year. Mid-tier players might end up getting max contracts. The Suns should have no problem moving any player they want because none of them will be considered highly paid anymore. Chandler at 12-13 million a year is going to look like a bargain.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#915 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:34 pm

letsgosuns wrote:
gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt/status/721044939040243712[/tweet]


The amount of money spent this coming offseason will be unprecedented. Nearly every team in the league will have somewhere around 20-30 million in cap space. Some teams will have 40 million or more. A team like Philadelphia could end up having 60 million dollars in cap space. A player like Teletovich might get 15 million a year. Mid-tier players might end up getting max contracts. The Suns should have no problem moving any player they want because none of them will be considered highly paid anymore. Chandler at 12-13 million a year is going to look like a bargain.


Some are predicting the Lakers will have $65 million. Jerry Colangelo will have all those picks and $60 million to spend. They are going to run out of players before they run out of money.

The Suns will have nearly $30 million. This is why having players under contract is so beneficial.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#916 » by BobbieL » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:46 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Our Assets:

- 9 first rounders in the next 5 years (Draft Picks)
- Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, Chandler (Experience)
- Booker, Warren, Len, Goodwin (Rookies)

It's the FO job to decipher a plan to turn those assets into a contending team.


Booker is darn near untouchable to me.
I also think I want the top four pick - as long as it stays top 4. If by some reason it becomes 6 or 7, it can be traded
Everything else, open for damn business


As for Knight - if he doesn't want to be the third guard, trade him . But Booker should be starting. He has STAR potential Bledsoe and Knight just do not have.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#917 » by letsgosuns » Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:45 pm

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/04/15/suns-gm-ryan-mcdonough-talks-changes-coach-hire-hope/83089142/

In free agency, the Suns could have up to $30 million in salary cap space, depending on how they handle non-guaranteed contracts and cap holds and where the salary cap winds up before July 1.

“We have options and flexibility to chase the top free agents without touching the core of our roster, if that is what we choose to do,” McDonough said.

There is that “if.” Because the salary cap is taking a giant leap this season, most of the league can be free agent competitors. The Suns surely will address power forward in free agency and/or a trade, where they do not have a player under contract for next season.

“We realize it may be tough for us this year to get in the mix like we have the previous two summers,” McDonough said. “Since I’ve been here, with the elite free agents, it’s easier when you win 87 combined games over two years than when you win 23. It’s a hard sell. We’ll be aggressive, creative. We value our young core. By young, I mean 26 and under with guys who have a chance to be really good players. Our last three lottery picks (Booker, Len and Warren), in particular, showed nice flashes this year of what they can do for guys who are still college age.”


McDonough finally admitting that no elite free agents are interested in the Suns.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#918 » by TeamTragic » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:35 pm

letsgosuns wrote:http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/04/15/suns-gm-ryan-mcdonough-talks-changes-coach-hire-hope/83089142/

In free agency, the Suns could have up to $30 million in salary cap space, depending on how they handle non-guaranteed contracts and cap holds and where the salary cap winds up before July 1.

“We have options and flexibility to chase the top free agents without touching the core of our roster, if that is what we choose to do,” McDonough said.

There is that “if.” Because the salary cap is taking a giant leap this season, most of the league can be free agent competitors. The Suns surely will address power forward in free agency and/or a trade, where they do not have a player under contract for next season.

“We realize it may be tough for us this year to get in the mix like we have the previous two summers,” McDonough said. “Since I’ve been here, with the elite free agents, it’s easier when you win 87 combined games over two years than when you win 23. It’s a hard sell. We’ll be aggressive, creative. We value our young core. By young, I mean 26 and under with guys who have a chance to be really good players. Our last three lottery picks (Booker, Len and Warren), in particular, showed nice flashes this year of what they can do for guys who are still college age.”


McDonough finally admitting that no elite free agents are interested in the Suns.


Who exactly during this upcoming FA is worth going after anyway? Tank again next season and go hard for Durant/etc in 2017.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#919 » by LukasBMW » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:43 pm

If the Suns strike out on the big names, rather then overspend on mediocre players I wonder if they would consider signing a few mediocre players to HUGE 2 year deals (1 year guaranteed followed by a team option)

1. The Suns then have trade chips - expirings.

2. The Suns then preserve cap space for next year.

3. Unless of course that player "goes off" then we can exercise the team option and keep their bird rights.
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Re: The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason 

Post#920 » by letsgosuns » Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:58 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/04/15/suns-gm-ryan-mcdonough-talks-changes-coach-hire-hope/83089142/

In free agency, the Suns could have up to $30 million in salary cap space, depending on how they handle non-guaranteed contracts and cap holds and where the salary cap winds up before July 1.

“We have options and flexibility to chase the top free agents without touching the core of our roster, if that is what we choose to do,” McDonough said.

There is that “if.” Because the salary cap is taking a giant leap this season, most of the league can be free agent competitors. The Suns surely will address power forward in free agency and/or a trade, where they do not have a player under contract for next season.

“We realize it may be tough for us this year to get in the mix like we have the previous two summers,” McDonough said. “Since I’ve been here, with the elite free agents, it’s easier when you win 87 combined games over two years than when you win 23. It’s a hard sell. We’ll be aggressive, creative. We value our young core. By young, I mean 26 and under with guys who have a chance to be really good players. Our last three lottery picks (Booker, Len and Warren), in particular, showed nice flashes this year of what they can do for guys who are still college age.”


McDonough finally admitting that no elite free agents are interested in the Suns.


Who exactly during this upcoming FA is worth going after anyway? Tank again next season and go hard for Durant/etc in 2017.


Durant is a free agent this offseason though.

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