Season Speculation, Trade Ideas and Discussion

[WeekapaugGroove]

You are likely right Week.... I don't know if we would be any better W/L wise, or even more competitive. And perhaps Watson will Improve his game management with more experience. Fact is though, he is probably the best PG on the team. And Who knows what marching orders he has concerning playing time.

The root may be Sarver, but I have to admit he has been much less visible and vocal about the ongoing play. He has shown patience so far. The problems in my eyes is the roster more than anything. As you say, wtf are we signing Dudley and Barbs for? Why Chandler if you are doing nothing else to construct a team to be competitive now?

Pick a direction and go. The big picture is blurry to us, but the current channel has awful reception. I have to hope a monster trade is brewing, for it seems like this team is constructed to be taken apart.

It is hard to say how much influence sarver has on personnel decisions but i look at whats been constant since hes took over and no matter who the gm had been there has been a pattern of shortsighted moves. From selling 1st rounders early, to refusing to blow it up at the end of the nash era, to signing chandler, and trading a valuable asset for knight.

Im less pissy about dudley and barbosa signings. They needed to add salary to get near the floor so adding a couple of good locker room guys is fine. My complaint is there should be a clear understanding by everyone in the organization that developing the young guys is the ONLY thing that matters this season.


You say its primed to be taken apart... well im all for that. Trade bledsoe, knight, tucker, and chandler. Burn this thing down.


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[Djedefre]

Tucker absolutely has to go, for more than a few reasons. Moving Knight would be fantastic, but i'm having a hard time seeing it done. At least with McD as GM. It's just too complicated and demanding on so many levels. As for Tyson, i'm convinced that we wouldn't have a slightest problem trading him. I'll even go further stating that we'd have multiple options on the table. Not a fan of parting ways with Bled (just yet), but if we could land a decent young 5 or another high pick, i'd consider it.

[biltalent]

Hey guys, Kings fan here. I just wondered how would you judge Bledsoes trade value right now? Do you think there is a realistic scenario that he gets traded and the Suns tank to get one of the top PG prospects of the 2017 draft? So say the Kings FO calls you and wants to reunite Bledsoe with Cousins - what do you want in return?
Keep in mind however that the kings cant trade their first rounder until 2021, so young prospects would have to be at the heart of the deal. Right now, the kings could offer you a combination of Mclemore, WCS, Richardson, Skal and Papagiannis as well as veteran guys in Casspi, Collison or Rudy Gay (all expiring).

Have a nice day!

I think Bledsoe is only tradeable if we decide to blow up the remaining veteran core of our team, and go for the first pick hard. Especially for whatever youth you have. Bled is worth a mid lottery pick in my view, and you don't really have that talent in your proposal. McLemore no, WCS maybe -but then we have a logjam up front, Richardson, Skal an Papa are not it. If we decide to blow it up, then we are not taking veterans back imho - although a possibility at the trade deadline for these half year rentals, but then we'd have to sign a cpl guys next offseason just to meet the minimum salary, and since on big free agent will come to a gutted team, that doesn't make too much sense either. So I don't really see a trade happening along these lines at the moment, sorry.

No need to apologize, I'm just trying to get a read on the Suns roster that is not from an outsiders perspective like mine. You are probably right about the Suns not needing any veterans but I think those expiring contracts could be used to match Bledoses salary, that's why I included them (you can also add Afflalo here as his 12,5 mil contract is not fully guaranteed for next season, but he can't be traded before december 15th)
I can see why you are not high on Mclemore because of Booker or on Skal because of Bender/Chriss (PapaG also hasn't looked good so far). Seems like you guys already have a lot of young talent on the wing and at the 4 so its hard to find a deal, especially assuming that if you trade Blesoe, Fultz/Smith would probably be the target in the draft to replace him.

So without Bled, your future would look like:
Fultz/Smith / Ulis - Booker - Warren - Chris/Bender - Len?

Judging by that, WCS might be the main piece involved if such a deal comes to fruition. He had a very good rookie season in George Karls pace system last year after being drafted sixth overall but so far has struggled in Joergers slow-it-down scheme. I could see him thriving again with the Suns as the system and the other players fit him more. He also compliments the rest of your guys that are more offensive minded and need the ball in their hands.
And what do you guys think about Richardson? He went #22 in last years draft because of concerns regarding his defense/shot selection but so far has looked more like a #13-#18 pick as he played very team oriented in summer league, defended Hield well and is now lighting it up in the dleague. Probably not a star but could be a nice sixth man in time behind Booker/Warren as he can backup both SG and SF.

So taking all that into account, would you consider WCS+Richardson+Afflalo's unguaranteed deal as fair value if by december 15th it looks like you guys will again pick between #4-#8? This could then be seen as close to the mid lottery pick you were refering to + you probably maxime your odds at gettinginto the top three of the draft.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Tucker absolutely has to go, for more than a few reasons. Moving Knight would be fantastic, but i'm having a hard time seeing it done. At least with McD as GM. It's just too complicated and demanding on so many levels. As for Tyson, i'm convinced that we wouldn't have a slightest problem trading him. I'll even go further stating that we'd have multiple options on the table. Not a fan of parting ways with Bled (just yet), but if we could land a decent young 5 or another high pick, i'd consider it.

I agree with most of what youre saying. The reasons i would look to move bledsoe at the deadline are: 1) with his injury history i have 0 interest in giving him another contract so i dont see him being part of the solution once the young guys develop, 2) if hes healthy at the deadline he will have some actual value and you should be able to get a real piece, 3) its a really good pg draft so why not plan ahead and clear a spot 4) i doubt this actually happens but maybe just maybe if u cant find a taker for knight moving him back to the starting pg will rehab his game ( i dont buy knight as a starting pg but maybe he could prove me wrong)

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[Barkley_34]

Hey guys, Kings fan here. I just wondered how would you judge Bledsoes trade value right now? Do you think there is a realistic scenario that he gets traded and the Suns tank to get one of the top PG prospects of the 2017 draft? So say the Kings FO calls you and wants to reunite Bledsoe with Cousins - what do you want in return?
Keep in mind however that the kings cant trade their first rounder until 2021, so young prospects would have to be at the heart of the deal. Right now, the kings could offer you a combination of Mclemore, WCS, Richardson, Skal and Papagiannis as well as veteran guys in Casspi, Collison or Rudy Gay (all expiring).

Have a nice day!

I think Bledsoe is only tradeable if we decide to blow up the remaining veteran core of our team, and go for the first pick hard. Especially for whatever youth you have. Bled is worth a mid lottery pick in my view, and you don't really have that talent in your proposal. McLemore no, WCS maybe -but then we have a logjam up front, Richardson, Skal an Papa are not it. If we decide to blow it up, then we are not taking veterans back imho - although a possibility at the trade deadline for these half year rentals, but then we'd have to sign a cpl guys next offseason just to meet the minimum salary, and since on big free agent will come to a gutted team, that doesn't make too much sense either. So I don't really see a trade happening along these lines at the moment, sorry.

No need to apologize, I'm just trying to get a read on the Suns roster that is not from an outsiders perspective like mine. You are probably right about the Suns not needing any veterans but I think those expiring contracts could be used to match Bledoses salary, that's why I included them (you can also add Afflalo here as his 12,5 mil contract is not fully guaranteed for next season, but he can't be traded before december 15th)
I can see why you are not high on Mclemore because of Booker or on Skal because of Bender/Chriss (PapaG also hasn't looked good so far). Seems like you guys already have a lot of young talent on the wing and at the 4 so its hard to find a deal, especially assuming that if you trade Blesoe, Fultz/Smith would probably be the target in the draft to replace him.

So without Bled, your future would look like:
Fultz/Smith / Ulis - Booker - Warren - Chris/Bender - Len?

Judging by that, WCS might be the main piece involved if such a deal comes to fruition. He had a very good rookie season in George Karls pace system last year after being drafted sixth overall but so far has struggled in Joergers slow-it-down scheme. I could see him thriving again with the Suns as the system and the other players fit him more. He also compliments the rest of your guys that are more offensive minded and need the ball in their hands.
And what do you guys think about Richardson? He went #22 in last years draft because of concerns regarding his defense/shot selection but so far has looked more like a #13-#18 pick as he played very team oriented in summer league, defended Hield well and is now lighting it up in the dleague. Probably not a star but could be a nice sixth man in time behind Booker/Warren as he can backup both SG and SF.

So taking all that into account, would you consider WCS+Richardson+Afflalo's unguaranteed deal as fair value if by december 15th it looks like you guys will again pick between #4-#8? This could then be seen as close to the mid lottery pick you were refering to + you probably maxime your odds at gettinginto the top three of the draft.

No. this is horrible for me

[Damkac]

You are likely right Week.... I don't know if we would be any better W/L wise, or even more competitive. And perhaps Watson will Improve his game management with more experience. Fact is though, he is probably the best PG on the team. And Who knows what marching orders he has concerning playing time.

The root may be Sarver, but I have to admit he has been much less visible and vocal about the ongoing play. He has shown patience so far. The problems in my eyes is the roster more than anything. As you say, wtf are we signing Dudley and Barbs for? Why Chandler if you are doing nothing else to construct a team to be competitive now?

Pick a direction and go. The big picture is blurry to us, but the current channel has awful reception. I have to hope a monster trade is brewing, for it seems like this team is constructed to be taken apart.

It is hard to say how much influence sarver has on personnel decisions but i look at whats been constant since hes took over and no matter who the gm had been there has been a pattern of shortsighted moves. From selling 1st rounders early, to refusing to blow it up at the end of the nash era, to signing chandler, and trading a valuable asset for knight.

Im less pissy about dudley and barbosa signings. They needed to add salary to get near the floor so adding a couple of good locker room guys is fine. My complaint is there should be a clear understanding by everyone in the organization that developing the young guys is the ONLY thing that matters this season.


You say its primed to be taken apart... well im all for that. Trade bledsoe, knight, tucker, and chandler. Burn this thing down.


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Signing Dudley was great move! High character, inteligent player who isn't the most talented but got everything with hard work. I would like Barbosa too if he wouldn't took all the minutes that Ulis could play. To develop young players you need such a players as mentors and role models. Maybe if 76ers would do this, Okafor and Noel wouldn't be such problematic.
Chandler signing looked bad last season but now he plays better and every 7-footer got such crazy contract that I think he is really valuable even at his age.

[Frank Lee]

Signing Dudley as your starting PF a great move ? Dudley is a 6-7 th man on a decent team. Both he and barbs were relatively cheap feel good signings to try to spark interest. It didn't last long. Granted, good locker room guys, but we need ballers not baby sitters.

[Damkac]

Yes it was great move if your goal is to develop young talent. And that's what 90% of this board wants.

[TeamTragic]

Yes it was great move if your goal is to develop young talent. And that's what 90% of this board wants.

I really love what Dudley and Barbosa bring to this team. That is probably the best we could do given that we have really young rookies.

[Saberestar]

The problem with developing talent is that our players are too young.We do not have Hield, Embiid, Saric or someone like that.

Our youngsters are not ready to play more than 15 mpg, so we have to play other players big minutes and those players are Tucker, Barbosa, Knight, Dudley....below average talent in the NBA.

Chriss and Bender are probably gonna be decent or good (if we are lucky) in 3 or 4 years... exactly when their contracts finish. Hopefully Ulis earlier than them.

We have Booker and Warren. That is all that we have.

[Damkac]

Derrick Favors looking like the odd man out for the Jazz. We should look into trading for him and play him at center.

Id be alright nabbing favors but i have a hard time seeing a deal that makes sense for both teams. The price tag on his next contact is concerning too. Hes a nice player but i dont see him ever being a "star" type player.

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What would Utah want for Favors? On paper they looks good on every position. Is there any way that combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Miami 2018 pick, Len, Chandler could get Favors?

[TeamTragic]

The problem with developing talent is that our players are too young.We do not have Hield, Embiid, Saric or someone like that.

Our youngsters are not ready to play more than 15 mpg, so we have to play other players big minutes and those players are Tucker, Barbosa, Knight, Dudley....below average talent in the NBA.

Chriss and Bender are probably gonna be decent or good (if we are lucky) in 3 or 4 years... exactly when their contracts finish. Hopefully Ulis earlier than them.

We have Booker and Warren. That is all that we have.

There is no such thing as too young. Just raw and inexperienced. We need to give the young guys a chance to develop by playing them with our future stars (Booker/Warren) and high character vets (Dudley/Barbosa).

Notice how I didn't mention Tucker and you know how I feel about Len. Knight on the other hand has had some good games this season.

Derrick Favors looking like the odd man out for the Jazz. We should look into trading for him and play him at center.

Id be alright nabbing favors but i have a hard time seeing a deal that makes sense for both teams. The price tag on his next contact is concerning too. Hes a nice player but i dont see him ever being a "star" type player.

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What would Utah want for Favors? On paper they looks good on every position. Is there any way that combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Miami 2018 pick, Len, Chandler could get Favors?

Knight/Tucker/Miami 2018
Len/Tucker/Miami 2018

I'm not sure I would offer Knight/Len in the same package.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The problem with developing talent is that our players are too young.We do not have Hield, Embiid, Saric or someone like that.

Our youngsters are not ready to play more than 15 mpg, so we have to play other players big minutes and those players are Tucker, Barbosa, Knight, Dudley....below average talent in the NBA.

Chriss and Bender are probably gonna be decent or good (if we are lucky) in 3 or 4 years... exactly when their contracts finish. Hopefully Ulis earlier than them.

We have Booker and Warren. That is all that we have.

I dont agree with this. Playing time helps development. Look at what the wolves did two years ago giving wiggins and lavine big minutes as teenagers, they took some lumps that year but are better off now because of the experience.

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[OGBAH]

Is there any way we can fix Chris Bosh and screw over Miami at the same time

[OnceUponADime]

Derrick Favors looking like the odd man out for the Jazz. We should look into trading for him and play him at center.

Id be alright nabbing favors but i have a hard time seeing a deal that makes sense for both teams. The price tag on his next contact is concerning too. Hes a nice player but i dont see him ever being a "star" type player.

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What would Utah want for Favors? On paper they looks good on every position. Is there any way that combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Miami 2018 pick, Len, Chandler could get Favors?

I don't think Favors is worth that much. He's rather mediocre offensively and he's also very, very injury prone.

[Frank Lee]

We don't have a Wiggins or a KAT..... nor a Dunn or Lavine.... or a Shabazz or Dieng
And we certainly don't have a Rubio who involves them all.
But we do have a paper mache session and a spin class scheduled.

If you want to compare us to the Twolves or Sixers, at least be honest. We in no way have matched the young talent they have assembled. You guys are huffin the pipe. Y'all packed it with Booker, and sprinkling on some TJ for flavor.... that's about all we got

[OGBAH]

We need our own Process
Blow it up

[AtheJ415]

We don't have a Wiggins or a KAT..... nor a Dunn or Lavine.... or a Shabazz or Dieng
And we certainly don't have a Rubio who involves them all.
But we do have a paper mache session and a spin class scheduled.

If you want to compare us to the Twolves or Sixers, at least be honest. We in no way have matched the young talent they have assembled. You guys are huffin the pipe. Y'all packed it with Booker, and sprinkling on some TJ for flavor.... that's about all we got

I lol'd at this. Shabazz or Dieng? Dunn? Talk about huffing and puffing.

[Zelaznyrules]

It's a big subtraction but I think we have more young talent than Minnesota minus Towns. We are further behind in the development process but time will solve that. Considering we have two extra first round picks in the bank and look to be adding another significant piece to our roster in the next draft, I like where we are compared to the Wolves.

[LukasBMW]

This kind of reminds me of 2003-2004 when we looked good on paper but were not getting any wins. We had Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, Penny, and Starbury.

We ended up trading Starbury to NY just so they would take the terrible Penny Hardaway contract.

Starbury was balling at the time. ...but we weren't winning. We had terrible ball movement.

In some ways Bledsoe reminds me of Marbury...except he isn't as good. Real talk.

I've really grown to like Bledsoe, but it's time to trade him for the best offer and possibly give him the chance to play for a contender. His value will never be higher then it is now.

I like the Bosh option, but by the time we acquire him, we will be out of the playoffs and thus it would be pointless as the extra wins we pick up with him would just hurt our lottery chances.