The Boogie Watch

[Son of Ra]

Probably the NBA is behind this trade. The Pelicans got help here IMO.
Conspiracy time.....

Now watch the Lakers picking 1st, Sacramento's own 2nd, Philly 3rd, Sacramento via NO 4th...Suns 13th

[Kerrsed]

To me, undoubtedly, our pick would have been better.

I also strongly believe that Warren is and will continue to be the better player.

Those right there were the basis of the trade to begin with, and all the Kings will end up with after all is said and done, and we had the better offer on both those fronts.

As for the rest of the deal, its hard to say, as they could have really used Knight, and even if they didnt really want to, they could have had him ride the bench and used him as a back-up (as they are still far away from the cap), or look for trades for him as well (Maybe accepting less than what we are currently looking for). On top of that Len. Sure they dont really NEED him, but he is still a young (somewhat talented) 7 footer, and im sure they really wouldnt have had a problem flipping him to another team if they wanted to, or even just buy him out (like they are doing with Galloway and Evans).

I just dont see any way possible that our offer wasnt better than the Pelicans.

[blacksun]

I honestly dont know why some of you are upset. Like some people said we still have a top 5 pick this summer. If we traded for Cousins we would have had a core of:

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/Barbosa
Tucker/Dudley
Cousins/Chriss
Chandler/Williams

5th-8th seed. Getting bounced year after year by GSW in the playoffs. No first round pick this year, mediocre first round picks the following years coz were treadmilling again. And the kicker, Cousins might walk in a few years.

Yup. Im okay with it.

[Son of Ra]

I just realized that...The Knight trade keeps getting worse and worse.

- The '17 Lakers pick + Bender or Chriss + fillers would have easily gotten us Cousins and we would STILL be drafting a high pick to add with our own pick.

- There is a very, very real chance the Lakers pick lands just out of the top 3 and we'd be drafting Fultz/Ball PLUS Jackson/Markannen/ whoever.

- So basically Cousins cost an average asset more than what we paid for Knight.

Either way with our cap-room we could have added another star via free agency this off-season. Rebuild complete. Possibly straight to contender/in the hunt status.

I wanna cry. I'm seriously dreading draft night.

[Saberestar]

Probably McDonough wanted big protection on that 2017 pick (Top #5 protected)

Warren - Hield
Suns 17 pick (#5 protected) - Pelicans 17 pick (#3 protected)
Len - Galloway
Knight - Evans

IF you compare those offers, they are really close IMO. They wanted a big expiring (Evans) and they don't value Len at all because he is gonna be a RFA and they don't need another C.

[Saberestar]

I didn't want Cousins. I am happy that we pass.

[suns91fan]

There's no point in trading for Cousins if we don't know if he would certainly re-sign here. And it's not just the Suns. There are bunch of teams who could have offered more than Pelicans, but they didn't. No other team was willing to gamble, except the Pelicans who are desperate to get some help for AD. It might work for them, but it might not as well. No other team had any business being involved here under these conditions.

[Son of Ra]

Evans to Cavs, you heard it here first! Lol.

[Barkley_34]

I'm sad about not being the suns to get this trade, but on second thought I think the future was better. We could have lost several pieces and next year cousins did not sign the extension with the suns. I still believe we can try to keep our pieces ... and try to get a trade for my boy Okafor ... come on MC.

Three teams involved:

Suns get: okafor and second rouns via rockets
Rockets get: Tucker, barboza
76ers get: knight and 1st round via rockets (2017)

[King4Day]

I just realized that...The Knight trade keeps getting worse and worse.

- The '17 Lakers pick + Bender or Chriss + fillers would have easily gotten us Cousins and we would STILL be drafting a high pick to add with our own pick.

- There is a very, very real chance the Lakers pick lands just out of the top 3 and we'd be drafting Fultz/Ball PLUS Jackson/Markannen/ whoever.

- So basically Cousins cost an average asset more than what we paid for Knight.

Either way with our cap-room we could have added another star via free agency this off-season. Rebuild complete. Possibly straight to contender/in the hunt status.

I wanna cry. I'm seriously dreading draft night.

I don't think they would have accepted LA's pick since it's not certain to be converted this season. The Pels pick is top 3 protected but even then, it's understood that the chances if them landing in the top 3 is so minute that it's expected to convert. LA has a really good chance at keeping their pick again.

[Frank Lee]

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5th-8th seed. Getting bounced year after year by GSW in the playoffs.......

THIS is the treadmilling mentality that needs stop. Too many use it as a wet blanket excuse to snot-ly justify any failed attempts to significantly improve. Y'all are so sure GSt is some super team that will reign for the next 5 yrs and are willing to concede. GD Ninnies.

Cousins would have vaulted us into 'the discussion'. No telling how much confidence he would have added to the rest of the squad.

This was a pivotal moment. Either McD was low balling, the Kings were blackballing, or the FO is really high on a top pick. Doesn't matter too much now, but this was a big swing whiff with runners on.

[Villalobos]

I'm baffled why people are freaking out. There wasn't going to be any other outcome unless the Pelicans didn't give up Hield. From a reputable source (not Ric Bucher) there were better offers on the table, including one starting with Drummond.

Pelicans: We'll give you our 2017 first and Hield.
Kings: OK. Hield is **** amazing, but can we have your 2019 first too?
Pelicans: **** no.
Kings: Oh, OK. We still get Hield though?
Pelicans: Yeah, but you need to send Omri Capsi as well.
Kings: We really like Caspi, but sure. Hield is that good.
Pelicans: And our 2017 pick is top three protected.
Kings: Hield is worth it.

Unless the Suns had a cloning vat and could produce two Buddy Hields, it wasn't happening.

[blacksun]

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5th-8th seed. Getting bounced year after year by GSW in the playoffs.......

THIS is the treadmilling mentality that needs stop. Too many use it as a wet blanket excuse to snot-ly justify any failed attempts to significantly improve. Y'all are so sure GSt is some super team that will reign for the next 5 yrs and are willing to concede. GD Ninnies.

Cousins would have vaulted us into 'the discussion'. No telling how much confidence he would have added to the rest of the squad.

This was a pivotal moment. Either McD was low balling, the Kings were blackballing, or the FO is really high on a top pick. Doesn't matter too much now, but this was a big swing whiff with runners on.

Whatever you say man. If we could have gotten Cousins at the same price that NOP paid for, then great we can hold hands and sing kumbayah. But we didnt. McD had a clear price for what he was prepared to pay Cousins for, and Sac asked for more than that. I dont see how thats a problem. Cousins wont magically fix what is wrong with the Suns.

And im not justifying anything to anybody. I said what I think is gonna happen if we get Cousins, and why im alright with not getting him. If you dont agree, and rather just bash on McD again then thats your problem.

[Son of Ra]

I just realized that...The Knight trade keeps getting worse and worse.

- The '17 Lakers pick + Bender or Chriss + fillers would have easily gotten us Cousins and we would STILL be drafting a high pick to add with our own pick.

- There is a very, very real chance the Lakers pick lands just out of the top 3 and we'd be drafting Fultz/Ball PLUS Jackson/Markannen/ whoever.

- So basically Cousins cost an average asset more than what we paid for Knight.

Either way with our cap-room we could have added another star via free agency this off-season. Rebuild complete. Possibly straight to contender/in the hunt status.

I wanna cry. I'm seriously dreading draft night.

I don't think they would have accepted LA's pick since it's not certain to be converted this season. The Pels pick is top 3 protected but even then, it's understood that the chances if them landing in the top 3 is so minute that it's expected to convert. LA has a really good chance at keeping their pick again.

I would take the Lakers pick over the Pelicans pick TODAY. It might not convey this year but it is way more likely to be a high pick this year than the Pelicans'. And next year it is almost guaranteed to be higher than the Pelicans' will be this year.
Are the Pelicans gonna make the playoffs this year? Most likely.
Are the Lakers gonna make them next year? Most likely not.
I just think the overall odds of the Lakers pick being a good one are way higher than vice versa. Especially over a two year frame which is just fine for a team deciding to rebuild yet again (do they even know that they are? Lol)

[King4Day]

I just realized that...The Knight trade keeps getting worse and worse.

- The '17 Lakers pick + Bender or Chriss + fillers would have easily gotten us Cousins and we would STILL be drafting a high pick to add with our own pick.

- There is a very, very real chance the Lakers pick lands just out of the top 3 and we'd be drafting Fultz/Ball PLUS Jackson/Markannen/ whoever.

- So basically Cousins cost an average asset more than what we paid for Knight.

Either way with our cap-room we could have added another star via free agency this off-season. Rebuild complete. Possibly straight to contender/in the hunt status.

I wanna cry. I'm seriously dreading draft night.

I don't think they would have accepted LA's pick since it's not certain to be converted this season. The Pels pick is top 3 protected but even then, it's understood that the chances if them landing in the top 3 is so minute that it's expected to convert. LA has a really good chance at keeping their pick again.

I would take the Lakers pick over the Pelicans pick TODAY. It might not convey this year but it is way more likely to be a high pick this year than the Pelicans'. And next year it is almost guaranteed to be higher than the Pelicans' will be this year.
Are the Pelicans gonna make the playoffs this year? Most likely.
Are the Lakers gonna make them next year? Most likely not.
I just think the overall odds of the Lakers pick being a good one are way higher than vice versa. Especially over a two year frame which is just fine for a team deciding to rebuild yet again (do they even know that they are? Lol)

Some are saying next years draft is weak. I guess they wanted to be assured a pick in a deep draft. If the Kings also keep their own pick, they probably will have 2 really nice pieces to add to their core. Granted, they'll probably waste both of them on unknowns, but still, that's why I think they took this deal.

[Qwigglez]

I honestly dont know why some of you are upset. Like some people said we still have a top 5 pick this summer. If we traded for Cousins we would have had a core of:

Bledsoe/Ulis
Booker/Barbosa
Tucker/Dudley
Cousins/Chriss
Chandler/Williams

5th-8th seed. Getting bounced year after year by GSW in the playoffs. No first round pick this year, mediocre first round picks the following years coz were treadmilling again. And the kicker, Cousins might walk in a few years.

Yup. Im okay with it.

Okay but a top 5 pick doesn't mean jack squat. There is no KAT in this draft or Anthony Davis. We may be drafting the next Derrick Williams, Anthony Bennett, Aaron Gordon, Dante Exum. The draft is no sure fire thing, which is why a lot of us are upset. I highly doubt anyone in this draft will be putting up 27/10/5 in any one season.
Who knows, maybe we could have traded Warren/Len/Chriss and our 2017 1st, and then had a subsequent trade for Jimmy Butler/Paul George that was Bender/Tucker and the Miami picks. Does that team still lose to the Warriors year after year?
The Boogie Kings also beat the Warriors a couple weeks ago.

Anyway, nothing we can do now, but this is the reason why some of us are upset.

[GetYourPHX]

It's funny looking back at the draft now. The Kings probably saw that Buddy got picked and decided to go with our deal for the 8th pick.

[bhawk]

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5th-8th seed. Getting bounced year after year by GSW in the playoffs.......

THIS is the treadmilling mentality that needs stop. Too many use it as a wet blanket excuse to snot-ly justify any failed attempts to significantly improve. Y'all are so sure GSt is some super team that will reign for the next 5 yrs and are willing to concede. GD Ninnies.

Cousins would have vaulted us into 'the discussion'. No telling how much confidence he would have added to the rest of the squad.

This was a pivotal moment. Either McD was low balling, the Kings were blackballing, or the FO is really high on a top pick. Doesn't matter too much now, but this was a big swing whiff with runners on.

Whatever you say man. If we could have gotten Cousins at the same price that NOP paid for, then great we can hold hands and sing kumbayah. But we didnt. McD had a clear price for what he was prepared to pay Cousins for, and Sac asked for more than that. I dont see how thats a problem. Cousins wont magically fix what is wrong with the Suns.

And im not justifying anything to anybody. I said what I think is gonna happen if we get Cousins, and why im alright with not getting him. If you dont agree, and rather just bash on McD again then thats your problem.

Good post. Give credit to our FO for not sacrificing the future for a questionable character WHO will absolutely be a free agent in the summer of 2018. We will be talking about the Boogie sweeps-stake this time next year. We should create the thread now.

Remember, Boogie and his agents just lost 40-50M. Ouch. He will get max money in 2018 and the 5th year that NO can offer is not valuable, so he gets to shop and find the best situation. This will be LMA and Kevin Durant all over. Some lucky team is going to get Boogie for FREE. It just may be the Suns. The Suns may still get Boogie and not have to sacrifice anything!

[WeekapaugGroove]

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5th-8th seed. Getting bounced year after year by GSW in the playoffs.......

THIS is the treadmilling mentality that needs stop. Too many use it as a wet blanket excuse to snot-ly justify any failed attempts to significantly improve. Y'all are so sure GSt is some super team that will reign for the next 5 yrs and are willing to concede. GD Ninnies.

Cousins would have vaulted us into 'the discussion'. No telling how much confidence he would have added to the rest of the squad.

This was a pivotal moment. Either McD was low balling, the Kings were blackballing, or the FO is really high on a top pick. Doesn't matter too much now, but this was a big swing whiff with runners on.

I don't look at it as a risk of treadmilling I actually think the offer they put on the table had more risk of disaster than treadmill. From all accounts they were willing to trade the 2017 1st rounder and also from everything I've read Boogie is not going to sign an extension this summer so he will be testing the FA waters the summer of 2018. Now that doesn't mean he will actually leave and if Phoenix would have landed him they could have offered him the 5th year and a little more money but it would have been a super stressful first week in July as Boogie met with other teams. Then you factor in that Boogie is a true pain in the ass to deal with and you put him on a team with an inexperienced coach and several very young players and that also had a chance to be a very bad thing. Now it could go the opposite way and Boogie could have loved it here and been a beast and true building block but it's not as much of a slam dunk as some people might think.

Overall if the Suns would have landed him I would have been cool with it because you need to take some risks to succeed and Boogie is a hell of a talent but I would also have been super worried it would blow up in their face.

[ray ray]

Don’t be surprise if the Suns do end up trading Brandon Knight to Orlando for Jeff Green’s expiring contract. That would give them the flexibility this offseason to maybe make a play for Demarcus Cousins. According to Cousins people, he is NOT happy with this trade. He feels like he and Anthony Davis are the same player in a sense that they both need the ball in their hands to be effective. Of course that can changes once they play together.