2025 Draft Night Picks Discussion

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[King4Day]

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Good for Devin to get the bag - I am not blaming him one bit for signing the extension
I just am not sure whats the rush but so be it

I think the direction of team with the moves this week - I think they complement his game so time for DBook to ball out , lead this team. Not expecting playoffs. Just basketball that might be more enjoyable to watch

I know 75mil is massive, but in a few years it'll probably be under what max players are getting. Think I read somewhere that players could be getting around 80-90 mil per year, if they get supermax or something.
I sense this was done so in a season or 2, we can consider trading him and not have to worry about him being an expiring and getting lowballed.

[King4Day]

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How many years did we waive/stretch Little? I thought he was 5 years but this makes it out to be 6 (with last year being the first)

[BobbieL]

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Allen 16.9
Royce 10.1
Martin 8.7
Richards 5.0

Martin and Richards are an easy 13.7 to get close to the one apron level

So that leaves needing to trade Royce and Allen 27 out for like 10 coming back maybe to get the $28m for the second apron

that way, they don't need to do anything with Beal

[sasquatchBob]

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Sidery had a tweet saying teams are calling the Suns about Nick Richards (per Gambo). Seems to have deleted it so not sure if it's accurate but if so, we could probably recoup some 2nds with him.

Bol Bol is the reason (or Damian Lee) that Mat Ishbia can't stretch Beal this offseason. Signing a guy for $2m instead of having the ability to save $200m

Richards at $5m should be able to get a couple seconds
Martin at $8m - or they just don't pick up the option
Allen is the tough one - what market, if any, will there be for Grayson Allen?

On a different team Grayson Allen would shine. Our previous seasons model just didnt need him. Not sure we need him now either. That probably does bring his value down. But in theory we should be able to get something back from him. Ironically, Rockets should have taken someone like Allen.

[Sunsdeuce]

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Drake’s Mitch Mascari will join the Phoenix Suns for NBA Summer League, per his agent George Langberg of GSL Sports Group.“

[BobbieL]

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Sidery had a tweet saying teams are calling the Suns about Nick Richards (per Gambo). Seems to have deleted it so not sure if it's accurate but if so, we could probably recoup some 2nds with him.

Bol Bol is the reason (or Damian Lee) that Mat Ishbia can't stretch Beal this offseason. Signing a guy for $2m instead of having the ability to save $200m

Richards at $5m should be able to get a couple seconds
Martin at $8m - or they just don't pick up the option
Allen is the tough one - what market, if any, will there be for Grayson Allen?

On a different team Grayson Allen would shine. Our previous seasons model just didnt need him. Not sure we need him now either. That probably does bring his value down. But in theory we should be able to get something back from him. Ironically, Rockets should have taken someone like Allen.

The Magic were a popular team for Allen but that was before the trade for Williams. That said, I really don't see too many options. I am sure there are -- maybe the Hornets for Grant Williams - but thats still taking back 13+m of salary

Londale + Aaron Holiday for Allen - again, doesn't save the Suns much but it does help longer term cap

[Sunsdeuce]

Booker and his stupid contract is going to eat up 35-40% of the teams salary cap. That’s beyond idiotic for a player who doesn’t lead and doesn’t make the team better and barely shows his face in the community. Booker is quickly becoming Kyler Murray (hint:that ain’t a good thing).

[dremill24]

Bol Bol is the reason (or Damian Lee) that Mat Ishbia can't stretch Beal this offseason. Signing a guy for $2m instead of having the ability to save $200m

Richards at $5m should be able to get a couple seconds
Martin at $8m - or they just don't pick up the option
Allen is the tough one - what market, if any, will there be for Grayson Allen?

On a different team Grayson Allen would shine. Our previous seasons model just didnt need him. Not sure we need him now either. That probably does bring his value down. But in theory we should be able to get something back from him. Ironically, Rockets should have taken someone like Allen.

The Magic were a popular team for Allen but that was before the trade for Williams. That said, I really don't see too many options. I am sure there are -- maybe the Hornets for Grant Williams - but thats still taking back 13+m of salary

Londale + Aaron Holiday for Allen - again, doesn't save the Suns much but it does help longer term cap

I think Orlando is still a good destination for Allen, but the returning salary is now tougher. Goga made sense before but now does not.

I've been batting around an expanded idea for something like...

PHX: Allen for Vanderbilt, minor asset
ORL: (decline TO for Wagner first) Bitadze, Howard for Allen
LAL: Vanderbilt, minor asset for Bitadze
MIL: TPE for Howard, minor asset

Could actually work with Vincent instead of Vanderbilt I suppose. Saves about $5mil immediately and gets a good defensive forward (or guard). Lakers are likely center shopping in FA but if they strike out or even as a backup, Goga is a cheap option.

I also believe Atlanta needs shooting and has lots of space to work with. Either O'Neale or Allen could fit very well there. I've mentioned before I wouldn't hate trying to take a flier on Mo Gueye.

[BobbieL]

Booker and his stupid contract is going to eat up 35-40% of the teams salary cap. That’s beyond idiotic for a player who doesn’t lead and doesn’t make the team better and barely shows his face in the community. Booker is quickly becoming Kyler Murray (hint:that ain’t a good thing).

The Cardinals, with the way NFL contracts are written - has a cleaner out

Which is kind of why I would have waited a year or two - just to see how this rebuild works

That said, as was pointed out by King -- if Booker asks out, the team trading for him knows his salary

[Fo-Real]

Every time I check back in, I am just hoping to see us jettisoning unneeded players to other teams!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Second Apron Teams (no signing exceptions) – 3 Teams:

1- Cleveland Cavaliers.
2- New York Knicks.
3- Phoenix Suns

The Suns were getting close to out of the second apron tunnel. You could see the light starting to appear. Then they took on salary by acquiring Mark Williams.

Now, Phoenix is dealing with all the same second-apron issued they battled last year. The roster is very imbalanced, so there is work to be done. Maybe those moves will finally see the Suns drop below the second apron, but don’t bank on it.

[bwgood77]

Kind of crazy OKC got Sorber but also next year will have last year's lottery pick, Nikola Topic, who was out all year.

[SkyBill40]

Booker and his stupid contract is going to eat up 35-40% of the teams salary cap. That’s beyond idiotic for a player who doesn’t lead and doesn’t make the team better and barely shows his face in the community. Booker is quickly becoming Kyler Murray (hint:that ain’t a good thing).

I fully agree that the parameters of the deal as absurd; however, this is merely the way it is now as escalating salary creep has destroyed the league and the flexibility teams used to have with the cap. I'm all for players getting paid, but some of this just boggles the mind. And while the NBAP would never agree to it, I think they should reduce the scale of percentage against the cap. As of now, this is where we are:

Players with 10+ years of experience: Can sign for up to 35% of the salary cap.
Players with 7-9 years of experience: Can sign for up to 30% of the salary cap.
Players with 4-6 years of experience: Can sign for up to 25% of the salary cap.

Shave 5% off each tier and call it a day.

[BobbieL]

Kind of crazy OKC got Sorber but also next year will have last year's lottery pick, Nikola Topic, who was out all year.

Presti had a vision thats for sure
patient ownership helped
There were times he kept getting FRPs and I thought to myself - when is he going to cash them in - but he had a plan thats for sure

I read on X Twitter that they could target Cam Johnson possibly
I am not sure what Presti will do but he will DO something

[Ghost of Kleine]

I haven’t trusted the Suns ability to draft a big man since Armon “The Hammer” Gilliam.

As far as hammers go, how would you compare arm n hammer (armon "hammer" Gilliam) to the polish hammer?? ( Marcin Gortat)?

[Sunsdeuce]

Booker and his stupid contract is going to eat up 35-40% of the teams salary cap. That’s beyond idiotic for a player who doesn’t lead and doesn’t make the team better and barely shows his face in the community. Booker is quickly becoming Kyler Murray (hint:that ain’t a good thing).

I fully agree that the parameters of the deal as absurd; however, this is merely the way it is now as escalating salary creep has destroyed the league and the flexibility teams used to have with the cap. I'm all for players getting paid, but some of this just boggles the mind. And while the NBAP would never agree to it, I think they should reduce the scale of percentage against the cap. As of now, this is where we are:

Players with 10+ years of experience: Can sign for up to 35% of the salary cap.
Players with 7-9 years of experience: Can sign for up to 30% of the salary cap.
Players with 4-6 years of experience: Can sign for up to 25% of the salary cap.

Shave 5% off each tier and call it a day.

I would not be so worried about it IF Booker was TRULY a franchise player. A leader and pillar in the community. Leads this team to success. Leads by example. (Basically if he acted and conducted business like Larry Fitzgerald).

But Booker is barely an All-Star. Two of his all-Star appearances were injury replacement selections. Then this year when he played like trash and didn’t even get close to being considered he bitched and complained and blamed the league for his piss poor play and why he didn’t get selected. He’s never been voted in by fans (not that it matters but he doesn’t have national pull and that’s evident).

Wasting $70 freaking million of a borderline star is insanity and idiocracy.

[BobbieL]

Booker and his stupid contract is going to eat up 35-40% of the teams salary cap. That’s beyond idiotic for a player who doesn’t lead and doesn’t make the team better and barely shows his face in the community. Booker is quickly becoming Kyler Murray (hint:that ain’t a good thing).

I fully agree that the parameters of the deal as absurd; however, this is merely the way it is now as escalating salary creep has destroyed the league and the flexibility teams used to have with the cap. I'm all for players getting paid, but some of this just boggles the mind. And while the NBAP would never agree to it, I think they should reduce the scale of percentage against the cap. As of now, this is where we are:

Players with 10+ years of experience: Can sign for up to 35% of the salary cap.
Players with 7-9 years of experience: Can sign for up to 30% of the salary cap.
Players with 4-6 years of experience: Can sign for up to 25% of the salary cap.

Shave 5% off each tier and call it a day.

I would not be so worried about it IF Booker was TRULY a franchise player. A leader and pillar in the community. Leads this team to success. Leads by example. (Basically if he acted and conducted business like Larry Fitzgerald).

But Booker is barely an All-Star. Two of his all-Star appearances were injury replacement selections. Then this year when he played like trash and didn’t even get close to being considered he bitched and complained and blamed the league for his piss poor play and why he didn’t get selected. He’s never been voted in by fans (not that it matters but he doesn’t have national pull and that’s evident).

Wasting $70 freaking million of a borderline star is insanity and idiocracy.

33% from threes
52.5% from twos
46% FG% overall

I personally would have waited at least one more year to prove last year wasn't an anomaly. Ishbia is a Booker "Stan" it seems

[SkyBill40]

I fully agree that the parameters of the deal as absurd; however, this is merely the way it is now as escalating salary creep has destroyed the league and the flexibility teams used to have with the cap. I'm all for players getting paid, but some of this just boggles the mind. And while the NBAP would never agree to it, I think they should reduce the scale of percentage against the cap. As of now, this is where we are:

Players with 10+ years of experience: Can sign for up to 35% of the salary cap.
Players with 7-9 years of experience: Can sign for up to 30% of the salary cap.
Players with 4-6 years of experience: Can sign for up to 25% of the salary cap.

Shave 5% off each tier and call it a day.

I would not be so worried about it IF Booker was TRULY a franchise player. A leader and pillar in the community. Leads this team to success. Leads by example. (Basically if he acted and conducted business like Larry Fitzgerald).

But Booker is barely an All-Star. Two of his all-Star appearances were injury replacement selections. Then this year when he played like trash and didn’t even get close to being considered he bitched and complained and blamed the league for his piss poor play and why he didn’t get selected. He’s never been voted in by fans (not that it matters but he doesn’t have national pull and that’s evident).

Wasting $70 freaking million of a borderline star is insanity and idiocracy.

33% from threes
52.5% from twos
46% FG% overall

I personally would have waited at least one more year to prove last year wasn't an anomaly. Ishbia is a Booker "Stan" it seems

Ishbia is just trying to keep a home grown talent on the team. He's the franchise leader in scoring and by the time he's through, he'll probably have some other accolades to go with it. While trading Booker might make sense from a teambuilding perspective, it doesn't make sense from a public relations thing and fans are fickle in that regard. They very often have absolutely no consideration for the bigger picture and that sometimes sacrifices must be made for the greater good, survival of the team, and remaining competitive.

[Dr Manute]

Booker and his stupid contract is going to eat up 35-40% of the teams salary cap. That’s beyond idiotic for a player who doesn’t lead and doesn’t make the team better and barely shows his face in the community. Booker is quickly becoming Kyler Murray (hint:that ain’t a good thing).

I fully agree that the parameters of the deal as absurd; however, this is merely the way it is now as escalating salary creep has destroyed the league and the flexibility teams used to have with the cap. I'm all for players getting paid, but some of this just boggles the mind. And while the NBAP would never agree to it, I think they should reduce the scale of percentage against the cap. As of now, this is where we are:

Players with 10+ years of experience: Can sign for up to 35% of the salary cap.
Players with 7-9 years of experience: Can sign for up to 30% of the salary cap.
Players with 4-6 years of experience: Can sign for up to 25% of the salary cap.

Shave 5% off each tier and call it a day.

I would not be so worried about it IF Booker was TRULY a franchise player. A leader and pillar in the community. Leads this team to success. Leads by example. (Basically if he acted and conducted business like Larry Fitzgerald).

But Booker is barely an All-Star. Two of his all-Star appearances were injury replacement selections. Then this year when he played like trash and didn’t even get close to being considered he bitched and complained and blamed the league for his piss poor play and why he didn’t get selected. He’s never been voted in by fans (not that it matters but he doesn’t have national pull and that’s evident).

Wasting $70 freaking million of a borderline star is insanity and idiocracy.

Let's just tell Booker we can't afford $75mil a year for a team that doesn't even make the playoffs. If we make the Finals and he is All NBA first team then we can talk about Max money.