2013 Draft Thread Part 4

[PHX-BELIEVER]

I’m a big Suns fan and I think we need to break it down to each position. The PG position is the last one that we need to worry about right now. Goron is a top player, who will improve next season, and Marshal showed sparks of a true PG and he just needs to work on his shot, which will raise his confidence and make him a fine player.

To me the SG and SF are the tricky ones. We have: Jared Dudley, PJ Tucker, Shannon Brown, and Wesley Johnson (for now), all of which can play at both positions. In my opinion we need to let Tucker go and maybe even Brown. The fact that we didn’t take Ben Mclemore in the draft means one of two things: get a quality SG/ SF FA or sign Wes Johnson. In the last 20 games or so he started being consistent and averaged about 15 or more a game, and did more than just shoot the 3 pointer. He is a young player and I think that he could be significant in the future. If we sign Wes or not, players that I think we should consider are J.R. Smith and O.J Mayo, but NOT at all costs. Worst case scenario (or maybe not) we do neither, suck some more and receive a good pick in the draft.

At the SF/PF I think we should keep Beasley. His stock isn’t high right now and I rather keep taking the chance that he will reach his potential and become an all-star than letting him go for nothing. About the twins, get rid of Marcus and keep Markieff.

The PF/ C position is actually very simple. Haddadi will not be a part of the growing of our franchise and therefore we need to let him go. Len is obviously going to be the starting center in the future so we need to build around him. I love Marcin Gortat Luis Scola, and this is why it’s hard to offer the next dilemma: keep or trade. I would love Len to work next season with Marcin and learn from a quality center but I can also see that Gortat can be a great asset to us. I hear that LaMarcus Aldridge wants a trade. Maybe we could trade both Gortat and Scola for him and a future first round pick, I think this is possible. This way we receive a great player, clear cap space for the next season and work on rebuilding the team. Another way to go is to sign Josh smith and trade Scola for a pick.

Here is my ideal team for next year:

Dragic/ Marshal/ Lee
Goodwin/ Johnson/ Smith or Mayo
Beasley/ Dudley
Morris/ Oriakhi/ Frye
Len/ Aldridge

[MathiasPW]

So maybe they are thinking of keeping him at SG, but having him be a ball handler at times as well, which would suit his strengths. Just think it would be a mistake to try to have him just being a primary PG.



So looks like Hornacek actually didn't mean that Goodwin will play PG.

Coro says they intend to put him as PG.

You can also find him quoting the ESPN insider article here: http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/paulc ... -new-suns/

[Revived]

I dont have insider, but im sure it says we are a winner, as in another Chad Ford article, this is what was said about us:

Nah I heard that in the other article it talked about how Len is such a bad fit for the Suns style and such. I wanna know his reasoning behind saying that.

He thinks Len is not fit for an uptempo style, offense-based style. If you watch Len's scouting video, it says he can run, but he really can't. And the reporter also assumes Phoenix will just maintain the SSOL system, which is not true. Horny clearly stated that he sees balance between offense and defense as key to success.

Ah I see. Thanks!

[Revived]

So maybe they are thinking of keeping him at SG, but having him be a ball handler at times as well, which would suit his strengths. Just think it would be a mistake to try to have him just being a primary PG.

This is what was said about that quote

The context of that thought was that Goodwin needed to think more like a point guard; not that Goodwin would play point guard. He should fit fine alongside the duo of Goran Dragic and Kendall Marshall. Goodwin is 6-foot-5 in shoes and with a 6-foot-9.5 wingspan measures up to be just fine at the shooting guard spot.

Read more: http://valleyofthesuns.com/2013/06/27/a ... z2XbINXFtV

So looks like Hornacek actually didn't mean that Goodwin will play PG.

Coro says they intend to put him as PG.

You can also find him quoting the ESPN insider article here: http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/paulc ... -new-suns/[/quote]
Yea but Coro is saying that because of that above mentioned quote by Hornacek

[JMac1]

Shams Charania: Suns never were able to research medical reports of Nerlens Noel before draft and Noel's ACL is progressing strongly, source tells RealGM.

That's on Noel. He was too cocky with himself and it cost him.

For the draft grades (ridiculous) they are purely based on who these writer's thought were the best players. If you picked their guy they loved you, if not, they hated you. We shouldn't be so insecure as to feel like we messed up because we received a bad draft rating ......ridiculous.

Far as McLemore being passed by other teams..... Yea they passed on him because they didn't want him, not because they had a SG. This was supposedly a BPA draft. I know some of you thought/think McLemore was the second coming, but 6!! GMs did not..... Neither do I. He has no handles and he has he mental make up of Beasley/Wes......with less tools than Beasley by far!

Far as Len...When it was speculated that he was going to be the 1st pick in the draft for over a week. I heard no objection from anyone except one writer. I didn't here Cleveland was stupid, crazy or anything else by passing on Noel, and they saw his records! No one had a problem with Len going one, everyone was trying to figure out 3,4, and 5, because most though Orlando would pick Noel....but they didn't either.

The Suns' receive more hate than any other team in the NBA... If we succeeding, the Lakers are failing. So it is like the media puts us down at every opportunity or every turn. It is like they don't want any good FA's to want to come here. They talk about us sucking til the day is long. We suck....so let it be. Why do they have to reiterate it over and over? You'd swear the Suns was one of the worst franchises in history..... The Knicks didn't win a playoff series for 14 years!!! and yet...everyone wants to play there SMH... sorry for the rant and getting OT.

[JMac1]

One more thing.....Remember when we lost to the Spurs. We lost because SSOL, everyone else lost because the Spurs were better. No one really talked about the JJ injury...the cheating ref, the suspensions, the Amare, KT, and Raja injuries in 05-06....nope, we didn't rebound or play defense is why we lost and our organization bought into that stuff.

There was one person who said anything of value. Don "the crook" Nelson said that the Suns must not like winning, when we started breaking up our team and trading players.

So in conclusion,

I don't trust, care, or buy into anything anyone says about the Suns outside of our family. A lot of people want us to fail thus the Lakers achieve.... Frick'n Pau Gasol trade..... That caused us to go get Shaq!

[BobbieL]

I dont have insider, but im sure it says we are a winner, as in another Chad Ford article, this is what was said about us:

Nah I heard that in the other article it talked about how Len is such a bad fit for the Suns style and such. I wanna know his reasoning behind saying that.

He thinks Len is not fit for an uptempo style, offense-based style. If you watch Len's scouting video, it says he can run, but he really can't. And the reporter also assumes Phoenix will just maintain the SSOL system, which is not true. Horny clearly stated that he sees balance between offense and defense as key to success.

I read that piece about why Len was such a bad fit for Hornaceks offense and two reasons it was complete and utter nonsense:

1) Jeff Hornacek has NEVER coached an NBA game so who the hell knows what kind of offense he will run. Especially with the talent. His offense could be the Cleveland Cavs in those ugly black and light blue uniforms under Fratello that walked the ball up the court and scored 83 ppg because of lack of talent

2) So, taking the premise that Hornacek has an offense - do you really think McDonough drafts a guy that the coach doesn't think fits.

I can handle a lot of criticism of drafts from media people but at least have some analytical thought behind it.

[RunSunRun]

I love how all of these analysts are assuming we are still going to be running an uptempo offense even though all of our ties to the SSOL era are gone and thus assuming Len is a bad fit because he can't run,

Horny will institute his own system and it will probably be a more prototypical NBA style, the guy knows the importance of defense and will probably make that a focus over the years.

Honestly, no one knows at this point what we are going to look like, maybe our offense/defense is going to be styled after what is being done in Indiana with the Pacers and Vogel, would love to see Chad Fraud's reaction to that, haha

[Revived]

Didn't Hornacek already say he's gonna run an up tempo offense?

I think the analysts are getting it off that. Even Len said the Suns are gonna be runnig a high tempo offense after talking to coach Hornacek.

[Revived]

One thing to take from this draft for every member on RealGM is dont believe in smoke screens.

We kept hearing that the Suns didn't like McLemore and that the Suns red flagged Noel and we all assumed it was smoke screens and not true.

We were wrong.

Going forward, give rumors some validity. Just like this year, they could all be true...

[Revived]

One thing to learn from this draft for every member on RealGM is dont think that everything is a smoke screen. Some of it can actually be true. Or most of it in this case.

We kept hearing that the Suns didn't like McLemore and that the Suns red flagged Noel and we all assumed it was smoke screens and not true.

We were wrong.

Going forward, give rumors some validity. Just like this year, they could all be true...

[Frank Lee]

Where this is smoke there is fire

[bwgood77]

Hopefully we can rebuild like the Pacers did.....we got the big rim protecter.......next year hopefully we can get the long 3 who can kind of be the star. Other than that they really didn't have to do too much other than sign a vet to play 4 (David West). So next year hopefully we get the stud to play 3 or 4, sign a vet free agent to play the other spot, and we probably already have a back court that could be as good as theirs.

Hopefully Hornacek can be as good as coach as Vogel. I know some people complained about some decisions of his in the playoffs (taking Hibbert out at the end against Miami) but that guy has really squeezed a ton out of that squad in my opinion. Two good draft picks, one free agent signing, and basically two middle of the road guards to play their roles. And their bench sucks (though hopefully Solomon Hill gets some minutes there and they got Granger coming back).

[grumpysaddle]

I love how all of these analysts are assuming we are still going to be running an uptempo offense even though all of our ties to the SSOL era are gone and thus assuming Len is a bad fit because he can't run,

Horny will institute his own system and it will probably be a more prototypical NBA style, the guy knows the importance of defense and will probably make that a focus over the years.

Honestly, no one knows at this point what we are going to look like, maybe our offense/defense is going to be styled after what is being done in Indiana with the Pacers and Vogel, would love to see Chad Fraud's reaction to that, haha

I sincerely hope our offense isn't anything at all like what Indiana is doing, because their offense is terrrrrrrrrrrible.

People are saying that the Suns will be playing uptempo because Horny has said that multiple times since being hired. He wants defense, but he also wants to push the tempo and reinstate a quicker offense.

[bwgood77]

I love how all of these analysts are assuming we are still going to be running an uptempo offense even though all of our ties to the SSOL era are gone and thus assuming Len is a bad fit because he can't run,

Horny will institute his own system and it will probably be a more prototypical NBA style, the guy knows the importance of defense and will probably make that a focus over the years.

Honestly, no one knows at this point what we are going to look like, maybe our offense/defense is going to be styled after what is being done in Indiana with the Pacers and Vogel, would love to see Chad Fraud's reaction to that, haha

I sincerely hope our offense isn't anything at all like what Indiana is doing, because their offense is terrrrrrrrrrrible.

People are saying that the Suns will be playing uptempo because Horny has said that multiple times since being hired. He wants defense, but he also wants to push the tempo and reinstate a quicker offense.

I agree. I didn't necessarily mean I wanted to replicate their offense, but if we could get anything close to their defense, that would be positive. Ultimately, we need guys who can knock down shots.

[Son of Ra]

I love how all of these analysts are assuming we are still going to be running an uptempo offense even though all of our ties to the SSOL era are gone and thus assuming Len is a bad fit because he can't run,

Horny will institute his own system and it will probably be a more prototypical NBA style, the guy knows the importance of defense and will probably make that a focus over the years.

Honestly, no one knows at this point what we are going to look like, maybe our offense/defense is going to be styled after what is being done in Indiana with the Pacers and Vogel, would love to see Chad Fraud's reaction to that, haha

I sincerely hope our offense isn't anything at all like what Indiana is doing, because their offense is terrrrrrrrrrrible.

People are saying that the Suns will be playing uptempo because Horny has said that multiple times since being hired. He wants defense, but he also wants to push the tempo and reinstate a quicker offense.

Sounds like he wants to play like San Antonio. Tough on D and once in possession run up the court. Wonder where they will get the shooters from in the near future... I hope they try to get Brandon Rush. Even though I can't see him leaving this exciting GS team that he fits in perfectly, unless they low-ball him.

[bwgood77]

Sounds like he wants to play like San Antonio. Tough on D and once in possession run up the court. Wonder where they will get the shooters from in the near future... I hope they try to get Brandon Rush. Even though I can't see him leaving this exciting GS team that he fits in perfectly, unless they low-ball him.

I like Rush too, but it all depends on whether or not he opts out or not. He signed a two year contract last year with an opt out clause after one year. However, he was injured the whole year so the thought was he would be hesitant to opt out.

He would be the perfect guy to have to spread our offense though and to get a REAL opportunity for minutes. At 45% shooting from 3, he would definitely help keep opposing defenses honest. It would ease a Dudley trade too. Or with him and Dudley on the floor at the same time, our spacing would be great.

[Revived]

Rush already opted in

http://fansided.com/2013/06/14/brandon- ... xt-season/

[Son of Ra]

Rush already opted in

http://fansided.com/2013/06/14/brandon- ... xt-season/

The link doesn't work for me but the URL says it all anyways, thanks. Too bad, I checked on the ESPN free-agent list before I posted to make sure and he was, and actually still is, listed as a UFA.

[bwgood77]

Rush already opted in

http://fansided.com/2013/06/14/brandon- ... xt-season/

The link doesn't work for me but the URL says it all anyways, thanks. Too bad, I checked on the ESPN free-agent list before I posted to make sure and he was, and actually still is, listed as a UFA.

Maybe the link doesn't work because it wasn't true and was taken down. I don't know...a possibility.

Edit: Never mind....a google search just brought me the same link and it worked this time....here is what it said..

When he was signed in the offseason by the Golden State Warriors, many thought that guard Brandon Rush would be able to provide the team with great scoring chances and would compliment Stephen Curry coming off the bench. But that all changed when he savagely tore his ACL and had to sit the entire season because of it. But Rush will back back with the Warriors in 2013-14, as according to HoopsRumors.com, Rush has exercised his player option and will return next season.

Per HoopRumors.com and Luke Adams:

Brandon Rush has officially exercised his 2013/14 player option to remain with the Warriors, agent Mark Bartelstein confirms to Hoops Rumors. According to RealGM.com’s transactions log, Rush made the decision official earlier this week.

The decision to come back next season really was the only option Rush had, as hat ACL injury seriously damaged his value in the eyes of team everywhere. That’s not to say he wouldn’t have gotten a contract, as the Chicago Bulls had eyes on him last year and love a good bargain when they can get one.

But Golden State has quickly become one of the best young teams in the West, so being a part of that and being able to come off the bench as a part of the team is something that will not only be an attractive opportunity for Rush, but it could give him a chance to show off for other teams and get a nice contract like someone Nate Robinson or J.R. Smith is now due thanks to stellar seasons.