The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[jredsaz]

Please provide link to Bledsoe or his agent threatening to take the QO! If not, just more bs.

Bledsoe is not in the driver's seat, and has no leverage since no offer sheets were handed out, or even reported. The Suns can just extend another QO in October and force Bledsoe to either take it, or go overseas and do this process all over again next offseason. With us signing IT, we are covered.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-bledsoe-monroe-and-love/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-am-bledsoe-monroe-and-love&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Buddy, the reason Paul/Bled would use the threat of signing the QO is due to the fact they have very little leverage. Until they sign a contract, Bledsoe is S&T, or they officially force the Suns to issue another QO in October, it remains a threat whether explicit or implicit.

[RunDogGun]

Please provide link to Bledsoe or his agent threatening to take the QO! If not, just more bs.

Bledsoe is not in the driver's seat, and has no leverage since no offer sheets were handed out, or even reported. The Suns can just extend another QO in October and force Bledsoe to either take it, or go overseas and do this process all over again next offseason. With us signing IT, we are covered.

of course his camp will threaten the QO it's a negotiation and it one of the few leverage points they have. I guess anything is possible and he could take the QO but I really really doubt he will. As has been stated here before it's a huge risk with very little financial upside.

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There has been zero reports about him taking the QO, other than fans speculated.

[JDLAW]

Bledsoe wants money nobody has shown the desire to offer, and more importantly, that nobody has the ability to offer aside from Phoenix, so why would Phoenix bid against itself?

Thats not necessarily true. There are a few teams out there that would give Bledsoe the the money he desires, but it requires a S&T. Thats what his agent has been pushing for, but the Suns have veto'd that idea as they do not like what our return would be. He can get a max contract, but that would require us helping him get that and so far it looks like we arnt willing to do so. The longer this drags out the better it is for Bledsoe. Its been about a month and fans are already starting to sour on him, another month goes by and he loses the remaining fan support that he still has and it helps force our FO to do something that they seem to not want to do.

Fans gripe and complain, but have nothing to do with the negotiation of the player's contract.

[Jdiddy701]

I'd take Rubio over Bledsoe if he could learn to be a decent shooter. Doesn't need to be a scorer just need to be able to hit shots.

Seriously? Hope this is a joke.


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[Saberestar]

I already posted the potential trade scenario in the Around the NBA thread, but another report has come out about Minnesota wanting Thaddeus Young as a replacement for Love.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11277 ... kevin-love

How many wins do you think Minnesota would get if they had a lineup of

Rubio/Shved
Martin/Muhammad/LaVine
Wiggins/Brewer/Budinger/Mbah-A Moute (maybe even Brewer, Budinger or Mbah A Moute start for awhile)
Young/MBah-A-Moute/Bennett
Pekovic/Dieng

That team looks MUCH deeper than last years, partially because Budinger was out a ton and Dieng came on near the end of the year, and than MBah A Moute was a nice addition. A bunch of young guys with a ton of potential too.

If Minnesota can get Wiggins and Thad Young for Love it would be a fantastic trade for them.

[RunDogGun]

Please provide link to Bledsoe or his agent threatening to take the QO! If not, just more bs.

Bledsoe is not in the driver's seat, and has no leverage since no offer sheets were handed out, or even reported. The Suns can just extend another QO in October and force Bledsoe to either take it, or go overseas and do this process all over again next offseason. With us signing IT, we are covered.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-bledsoe-monroe-and-love/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-am-bledsoe-monroe-and-love&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Buddy, the reason Paul/Bled would use the threat of signing the QO is due to the fact they have very little leverage. Until they sign a contract, Bledsoe is S&T, or they officially force the Suns to issue another QO in October, it remains a threat whether explicit or implicit.

"I'm not your buddy, guy." Again, provide a link that states that Bledsoe or his agent have threatened to take the QO. Your link says nothing of the sort. The Suns have all the leverage in this since no offer sheets were extended to him. Taking the QO would be extremely risky.

[JDLAW]

Bledsoe wants money nobody has shown the desire to offer, and more importantly, that nobody has the ability to offer aside from Phoenix, so why would Phoenix bid against itself?

Thats not necessarily true. There are a few teams out there that would give Bledsoe the the money he desires, but it requires a S&T. Thats what his agent has been pushing for, but the Suns have veto'd that idea as they do not like what our return would be. He can get a max contract, but that would require us helping him get that and so far it looks like we arnt willing to do so. The longer this drags out the better it is for Bledsoe. Its been about a month and fans are already starting to sour on him, another month goes by and he loses the remaining fan support that he still has and it helps force our FO to do something that they seem to not want to do.

I don't know that any team is willing to give him the max. That's never been reported, and plenty of teams could have offered him the max early in free agency but none did and then they decided to sign other players instead. It was reported by NotTraxxe I believe (possibly ray ray) that one team offered him a little better contract than the Suns offered but he rejected it wanting more.

I wouldn't be surprised if Milwaukee would pay him the max, but we don't know for sure, and possibly Detroit, but no one else. I guess possibly Brooklyn or NY if they had the cap space but I know Phil really wanted Calderon and Brooklyn can't do it, though I'm sure they'd love to trade Deron Williams for him. But none of this really matters.

None of these teams have the max to pay Bledsoe without dumping a bad contract or two onto the Suns in return. Milwaukee (fans at least) would love to have Bledsoe, but I am not so sure the team's management is enamored with such a move - at least as evidenced by the lack of effort in clearing contract space to free up the needed space. Go to the Bucks Boards and they are wetting themselves again about the possibility of getting Bledsoe - especially my friend Miloyd.

[JDLAW]

Name those teams and where you're getting that from.

Thats not necessarily true. There are a few teams out there that would give Bledsoe the the money he desires, but it requires a S&T. Thats what his agent has been pushing for, but the Suns have veto'd that idea as they do not like what our return would be. He can get a max contract, but that would require us helping him get that and so far it looks like we arnt willing to do so. The longer this drags out the better it is for Bledsoe. Its been about a month and fans are already starting to sour on him, another month goes by and he loses the remaining fan support that he still has and it helps force our FO to do something that they seem to not want to do.

I'd imagine that is pure speculation unless Kerrsed is getting information which isn't public (ie from Notraxxe or ray ray). I could see teams the historical big spenders paying more for Bledsoe but I don't know any team is crazy enough to offer him the full 5 year max.

Also, no biggie, but the reply convention is to put your reply after the comment you're replying to as opposed to putting in your reply then the comment. Again, no biggie, just looks...off

No team other than us can offer a 5 year max - that remains true even if he becomes a UFA after playing next year on the QO.

[letsgosuns]

Great. Tucker was arrested on Super Extreme DUI back in May. http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /13299361/

[jredsaz]

Please provide link to Bledsoe or his agent threatening to take the QO! If not, just more bs.

Bledsoe is not in the driver's seat, and has no leverage since no offer sheets were handed out, or even reported. The Suns can just extend another QO in October and force Bledsoe to either take it, or go overseas and do this process all over again next offseason. With us signing IT, we are covered.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-bledsoe-monroe-and-love/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-am-bledsoe-monroe-and-love&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Buddy, the reason Paul/Bled would use the threat of signing the QO is due to the fact they have very little leverage. Until they sign a contract, Bledsoe is S&T, or they officially force the Suns to issue another QO in October, it remains a threat whether explicit or implicit.

"I'm not your buddy, guy." Again, provide a link that states that Bledsoe or his agent have threatened to take the QO. Your link says nothing of the sort. The Suns have all the leverage in this since no offer sheets were extended to him. Taking the QO would be extremely risky.

Do you just prefer to be contrary? I agree the Suns have MOST of the leverage. I have stated that three times. The only leverage Bled has is the QO and the threat to take the QO is implicit at all times. Judging by the report I posted, the QO has been discussed.

Sources close to the Suns have said privately they expected Bledsoe back either on a new deal or after he signs the qualifying offer they issued worth just over $3.7 million (the caphold is $6.56 million).

[lilfishi22]

No team other than us can offer a 5 year max - that remains true even if he becomes a UFA after playing next year on the QO.

I'm aware we own his Bird Rights. I'm talking about if we worked out a deal in which we did a S&T with Beldsoe maxed out.

[JDLAW]

Great. Tucker was arrested on Super Extreme DUI back in May. http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /13299361/

There is a good 30 days in jail - at least he looks good in orange - the color of the jail jumpsuits.

[lilfishi22]

I'd take Rubio over Bledsoe if he could learn to be a decent shooter. Doesn't need to be a scorer just need to be able to hit shots.

Seriously? Hope this is a joke.


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straight comparison, no. But if Rubio can develop a decent shot, I'd rather take him over Bledsoe at max

[RunDogGun]

Stating the ONLY two choices Bledsoe has in no way constitutes threatening.

And signing QO isn't leverage, it would be his only choice if he doesn't sign the offer we give him.

[JDLAW]

No team other than us can offer a 5 year max - that remains true even if he becomes a UFA after playing next year on the QO.

I'm aware we own his Bird Rights. I'm talking about if we worked out a deal in which we did a S&T with Beldsoe maxed out.

Bird rights have nothing to do with it. Cannot do S&Ts for the current team's max under the new CBA. The best S&T Bledsoe can get is 4 and 63 under the new CBA. He cannot get the higher raise or the extra year in a S&T deal. This holds true even if he is an unrestricted free agent in a S&T deal.

[jredsaz]

Great. Tucker was arrested on Super Extreme DUI back in May. http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /13299361/

There is a good 30 days in jail - at least he looks good in orange - the color of the jail jumpsuits.

.222 is tore up. It takes a lot of drinks to get a 6'6" 230 lbs guy to that level.

[bwgood77]

None of these teams have the max to pay Bledsoe without dumping a bad contract or two onto the Suns in return. Milwaukee (fans at least) would love to have Bledsoe, but I am not so sure the team's management is enamored with such a move - at least as evidenced by the lack of effort in clearing contract space to free up the needed space. Go to the Bucks Boards and they are wetting themselves again about the possibility of getting Bledsoe - especially my friend Miloyd.

I wasn't saying any of these teams could, I was just countering Kerssed's point about teams that MIGHT if they could arrange some sort of trade with us, which is really a moot point and has nothing to do with our negotiations, because if they don't have a reasonable offer on a trade, than it wouldn't be worth our time.

[bwgood77]

Great. Tucker was arrested on Super Extreme DUI back in May. http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... /13299361/

There is a good 30 days in jail - at least he looks good in orange - the color of the jail jumpsuits.

.222 is tore up. It takes a lot of drinks to get a 6'6" 230 lbs guy to that level.

Yeah that's got to be close to 20 drinks.

[lilfishi22]

No team other than us can offer a 5 year max - that remains true even if he becomes a UFA after playing next year on the QO.

I'm aware we own his Bird Rights. I'm talking about if we worked out a deal in which we did a S&T with Beldsoe maxed out.

Bird rights have nothing to do with it. Cannot do S&Ts for the current team's max under the new CBA. The best S&T Bledsoe can get is 4 and 63 under the new CBA. He cannot get the higher raise or the extra year in a S&T deal. This holds true even if he is an unrestricted free agent in a S&T deal.

Could you show me the actual wording? I was not aware of this.

[lilfishi22]

There is a good 30 days in jail - at least he looks good in orange - the color of the jail jumpsuits.

.222 is tore up. It takes a lot of drinks to get a 6'6" 230 lbs guy to that level.

Yeah that's got to be close to 20 drinks.

Tucker told the officer that he was coming from the W Scottsdale Hotel, where he had one beer.

One keg of beer