Offseason Trade and Free Agency Discussion

[Qwigglez]

Don't know where this guy is getting his info from, but...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/InsiderSuns/status/615743581987323904[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/InsiderSuns/status/615743944861683712[/tweet]

Definitely need more SFs!
Let's see here...
Carroll... Tucker... Marcus... Granger... Warren.

Don't worry Warren you're fifth man up!

[TrillTowers]

Carroll is pretty much a copy of Tucker.

[thamadkant]

Can you reveal the other site?

Here, by a poster

Complete BS, you can't get a 5th year in sign and trades anymore. If Love was willing to come here and if we want him we would just sign him for free and not give up substantial value to sign him.
We would trade Tucker for nothing and just add Love to Bledsoe, Knight, Warren and Len.

Love can certainly get his 5th year and still be traded.
It wont be until December though.

The confusion is whether its a sign and trade... or Cavs ahem Lebron... "back-stabs" Love and trade him for Bledsoe and filler.

[thamadkant]

Carroll is pretty much a copy of Tucker.

Caroll is a better "3D" player, Tucker is a bit slower on his 3pt shooting, Caroll is basically a better shooter IMO.

[thamadkant]

Can you reveal the other site?

Here, by a poster

Is "EarlBlackJesusMonroe" reputable? Someone in the comments implicated that he has previously spoke about his "sources."

Not sure, but most of his posts arent "trollish" if you know what I mean. As in they seem reasonable.

[TrillTowers]

Love can certainly get his 5th year and still be traded.
It wont be until December though.

The confusion is whether its a sign and trade... or Cavs ahem Lebron... "back-stabs" Love and trade him for Bledsoe and filler.

That is utter none-sense.

[Djedefre]

Carroll is pretty much a copy of Tucker.

Transition. DeMarre is more suitable for fast paced bball.

[thamadkant]

Love can certainly get his 5th year and still be traded.
It wont be until December though.

The confusion is whether its a sign and trade... or Cavs ahem Lebron... "back-stabs" Love and trade him for Bledsoe and filler.

That is utter none-sense.

1. players signed from FA can be traded 6 months after signing. Love can sign a 5 year contract with Cavs. Isn't that the rules?

2. Cavs can trade Love to any team they want to after that 6 months. It's legal but a frowned upon if they give Love the impression he is part of their future. And I'm assuming Love doesn't have a no-trade clause.

3. I already said, the confusion could be the "sign and trade" scenario. Which only allows 4 years max for Love in this situation.



It's not complicated, and makes sense to me.

[TrillTowers]

Ok it makes sense to you, unfortunately you are living in a dream world then.

The scenario that the Cavs sign Love to 5 years with an under the table agreement with the Suns to trade for him 6 months later is utter none-sense.

That will never happen and is possibly the biggest none-sense I ever read on realgm and that says a lot.

Not to mention that why would Kevin Love want a 5 year deal? He will probably look at a short term deal to sign a new max once the cap exploded and not tie himself to what he can sign for now for 5 years.

And next the health of Love next season is in question. He will probably not be fully fit until late in the season. Basically you would be signing Love to a 2 year deal that you know he will miss about 50% and your team is not good enough to make the playoffs without him.

Love is not coming to Phoenix unless outright signed.

[Frank Lee]

You need to clean house before you decorate

[thamadkant]

Ok it makes sense to you, unfortunately you are living in a dream world then.

The scenario that the Cavs sign Love to 5 years with an under the table agreement with the Suns to trade for him 6 months later is utter none-sense.

That will never happen and is possibly the biggest none-sense I ever read on realgm and that says a lot.

Not to mention that why would Kevin Love want a 5 year deal? He will probably look at a short term deal to sign a new max once the cap exploded and not tie himself to what he can sign for now for 5 years.

And next the health of Love next season is in question. He will probably not be fully fit until late in the season. Basically you would be signing Love to a 2 year deal that you know he will miss about 50% and your team is not good enough to make the playoffs without him.

Love is not coming to Phoenix unless outright signed.

Look, what I said are factually and legally possible. Regarding the contracts and trades etc.

Yes it's UNLIKELY Love will be traded to the Suns. But nothing wrong to speculate as a fan.

You're speculating too... You see, everyone does it. It's normal in fan forums.

[TrillTowers]

I am not speculating. And no it is not unlikely, it simply comepletely unrealistic none-sense.

It is not worth discussing, at all.

Not to mention it is not legally possible under the CBA at all. Making a verbal agreement is still not legal, just hard to prove. Anyway it is complete bogus.

[Saberestar]

Paul Coro writes here about Carroll. He says that he is probably our first target after Love/Aldridge.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2015/06/29/phoenix-suns-kevin-love-lamarcus-aldridge-demarre-carroll-hornacek-nba/29489891/

[King4Day]

Can you reveal the other site?

Here, by a poster

Is "EarlBlackJesusMonroe" reputable? Someone in the comments implicated that he has previously spoke about his "sources."

I'm pretty sure you can no longer sign and trade a player for the full 5 years anymore. If I'm right then I'd say he's def not reputable. Also the 'sauces' comment makes me think it's a joke too

[JJ13]

I am not speculating. And no it is not unlikely, it simply comepletely unrealistic none-sense.

It is not worth discussing, at all.

Not to mention it is not legally possible under the CBA at all. Making a verbal agreement is still not legal, just hard to prove. Anyway it is complete bogus.

That's none-sense

...sorry just wanted to try out your butchered version on nonsense. Seems to be your favorite non-word...or none-word?

[JMac1]

I can't believe people are believing any of the Bledsoe stuff.

None of it comes out of Phoenix.

Why would we want to make Knight our PG after how poorly he played in the few games after the trade? We traded for him to be our SG. People need to let go of that "2 PG lineup". We would play the same style wether our SG is B.Knight or Alec Burks and it is not like shooting guards punish anyone in the post anymore.

All the Bledsoe rumors are started by outsiders who are ignorant and try to sell their assumptions as actual information. Sadly this is how 90% of the American sports media works.

Also why would we sign and trade for Love? Love is an UFA and in a sign and trade you can't get a 5th year anymore. There is no reason to do a sign and trade at all, neither for Love nor for the Suns. In the unlikely event that Love leaves Cleveland and wants to come to Phoenix we would just sign him.

Talk about Millsap being a better bargain is none-sense. Millsap will likely get max type money himself.

The Suns need to look at Thaddeus Young and Kostas Koufos. Those two are more realistic targets and would improve the team a lot.

[JMac1]

No Young.

http://7online.com/sports/free-agents-brook-lopez-thaddeus-young-expected-to-stay-with-nets/815500/

[BobbieL]

Don't know where this guy is getting his info from, but...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/InsiderSuns/status/615743581987323904[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/InsiderSuns/status/615743944861683712[/tweet]

These two tweets actually make a boat load of sense. Millsaps and Carroll are more reasonable targets and I think would be good fits to the team.

Of course, the idea of Aldridge or Love is tops - but if you can get Milsaps and CArroll, that is helping your team

Also, shipping out the Morris twins

Back to the Bledsoe to the Cavs. If the Cavs truly wantedthat, and of course Love wanted Phoenix - the ultimate for Phoenix would be:

Out: Bledsoe, Morris, Morris and Tucker - 31m

In: Love,Mike Mille and Haywood - 30-32 m; immediately waive Haywood. SAving 10m

Now 22m under the cap with Love on board. Still can go get Carroll, a good PG, and resign Wright.

[BobbieL]

Don't know where this guy is getting his info from, but...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/InsiderSuns/status/615743581987323904[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/InsiderSuns/status/615743944861683712[/tweet]

Definitely need more SFs!
Let's see here...
Carroll... Tucker... Marcus... Granger... Warren.

Don't worry Warren you're fifth man up!

Pretty sure Tucker and the Morris twins are trade bait

[TASTIC]

I'd look at Marco Belinelli as well - 6'5", 29yr old and Spurs might not be able to keep him if Green wants $9m+.

Far as I can see, if we trade Bledsoe it doesn't look like it'll be for a SG which leaves a hole that despite his size, Tucker can't fill.

Offer him something like $15m over 2yrs, as well as a starting gig and he might bite. He's underrated defensively as well as athletically and he can knock down open shots really consistently (last five seasons 1.5 threes per game at 39%).

Also he's been on some very good teams - veteran teams - Hornets, Bulls, Spurs.

Basically a good, veteran influence to have around while allowing youngsters to come through behind him...