Suns Offseason Thread 3: Spurned for the Spurs

[RaisingArizona]

[TheXgasm]

I'd take Sully.

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[KLEON]

Keep Keiff and give him this season to prove his discipline and trade for Ryan Anderson as our backup 4. OH yeah sign Lou Amundson

[ShawnBronald]

Keep Keiff and give him this season to prove his discipline and trade for Ryan Anderson as our backup 4. OH yeah sign Lou Amundson

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/618129371119886341[/tweet]

The last part says it all. I don't see how they can fix it, he's basically already gone.

[saintEscaton]

I'd take Sully.

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Me too. Wonder what the C's asking price will be but they will probably try to retain both by playing Olynk at C. I'd make anybody available but Len

[saintEscaton]

I'd take Sully.

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Me too. Wonder what the C's asking price will be but they will probably try to retain both by playing Olynk at C. I'd make anybody available but Len and would like to keep Bled

[krishanson]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/618129371119886341[/tweet]

The last part says it all. I don't see how they can fix it, he's basically already gone.

The guy who tweeted that is wrong about EVERYTHING regarding the Suns. Like, everything. It's ridiculous. He thought the Suns wanted to trade Bledsoe for Julius Randle last season and kept tweeting about it as if it was definitely going to happen.

[ShawnBronald]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/618129371119886341[/tweet]

The last part says it all. I don't see how they can fix it, he's basically already gone.

The guy who tweeted that is wrong about EVERYTHING regarding the Suns. Like, everything. It's ridiculous. He thought the Suns wanted to trade Bledsoe for Julius Randle last season and kept tweeting about it as if it was definitely going to happen.

You're right. I didn't even notice whose account it was, I just saw that a couple Suns writers retweeted it. That said, I think he may be on to something. I never got the feeling that Markieff (or Marcus) respected Hornacek. Also, with Marcus gone, I'm sure Markeiff has already asked to be traded. I'd love to be wrong, but I do feel a trade is inevitable at this point. Guess we'll find out.

[jcsunsfan]

Keep Keiff and give him this season to prove his discipline and trade for Ryan Anderson as our backup 4. OH yeah sign Lou Amundson

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/618129371119886341[/tweet]

The last part says it all. I don't see how they can fix it, he's basically already gone.

This guy is almost always wrong.

[krishanson]

Me too. Wonder what the C's asking price will be but they will probably try to retain both by playing Olynk at C. I'd make anybody available but Len and would like to keep Bled

I'd only be willing to give up Kieff for him + whatever salaries they'd need to add to match. But there's no way I'd trade Knight, Bled, PJ, or TJ for him either.

[jcsunsfan]

Me too. Wonder what the C's asking price will be but they will probably try to retain both by playing Olynk at C. I'd make anybody available but Len and would like to keep Bled

I'd only be willing to give up Kieff for him + whatever salaries they'd need to add to match. But there's no way I'd trade Knight, Bled, PJ, or TJ for him either.

Hmm. These two players stats are eerily similar, except for rebounding and three point shooting. PPg, pp36 are exactly the same (to the .1 of a point)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=sullija01&p2=morrima02&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

[TeamTragic]

Can we stop posting tweets from Jordan Schultz? He doesn't have any Insiders with SUNS info.

[MrMiyagi]

Me too. Wonder what the C's asking price will be but they will probably try to retain both by playing Olynk at C. I'd make anybody available but Len and would like to keep Bled

I'd only be willing to give up Kieff for him + whatever salaries they'd need to add to match. But there's no way I'd trade Knight, Bled, PJ, or TJ for him either.

Hmm. These two players stats are eerily similar, except for rebounding and three point shooting. PPg, pp36 are exactly the same (to the .1 of a point)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=sullija01&p2=morrima02&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

But one is not in a Suns jersey, so is obviously better.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

Something definitely looks out of place there.

[krishanson]

Hmm. These two players stats are eerily similar, except for rebounding and three point shooting. PPg, pp36 are exactly the same (to the .1 of a point)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=sullija01&p2=morrima02&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Yup, and that's why I'd be willing to swap them. But I wouldn't only put Len as untouchable and Bledsoe as a "I'd like to keep" for him. Kieff for Sullinger is fair and anything else is stupid seeing as they're similar in production.

[bwgood77]

Hmm. These two players stats are eerily similar, except for rebounding and three point shooting. PPg, pp36 are exactly the same (to the .1 of a point)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=sullija01&p2=morrima02&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

Yup, and that's why I'd be willing to swap them. But I wouldn't only put Len as untouchable and Bledsoe as a "I'd like to keep" for him. Kieff for Sullinger is fair and anything else is stupid seeing as they're similar in production.

No way would I want a PF that shoots 44% and 27% from 3.

[AtheJ415]

I've never understood the Sullinger love here.

[krishanson]

No way would I want a PF that shoots 44% and 27% from 3.

Good point. I look at it like this: Kieff shoots 45% for his career and Sullinger shoots 44%. Kieff was a bit more efficient in 13-14 but his bread and butter is the most inefficient shot in basketball. So while you lose some efficiency, you also gain rebounding and defense.

If you compare their advanced stats, they're pretty similar. I don't think the shooting means much, especially since we don't actually know how efficient or inefficient either players are since we only have 3/4 seasons to base their stats on and except for Kieff in 13-14, they have been on bad teams.

[AtheJ415]

No way would I want a PF that shoots 44% and 27% from 3.

Good point. I look at it like this: Kieff shoots 45% for his career and Sullinger shoots 44%. Kieff was a bit more efficient in 13-14 but his bread and butter is the most inefficient shot in basketball. So while you lose some efficiency, you also gain rebounding and defense.

If you compare their advanced stats, they're pretty similar. I don't think the shooting means much, especially since we don't actually know how efficient or inefficient either players are since we only have 3/4 seasons to base their stats on and except for Kieff in 13-14, they have been on bad teams.

Kieff though is efficient in points per post up. He's not really inefficient at all except that he takes a lot of long 2s, but when you make them they aren't inefficient. Particularly in clutch situations. I just disagree with this idea of Kieff being inefficient. He's not a rebounder, not a defender, so if he's not efficient then he must be truly awful.

[JMac1]

I've never understood the Sullinger love here.

I'm so with you on that one!!