AtheJ415 wrote:spree8 wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:
I lol'd. Why would we give up on Jackson already just to dump Knight and Tyson?
I explained the reason... and you'd be getting more than a salary dump. You're only acknowledging a portion of the scenario.
No. I acknowledged all of it. I just think it is a very terrible deal for Phoenix. The 2nd has little to no value as we already have 7 picks in this upcoming draft and are having to probably get rid of a guy we like just to make room for Mike James. So we can't even keep the picks we have. We are very unlikely to get Boogie in the first place, and could dump the 10 mil needed to max him without giving up Josh Jackson. It also does NOT give us space for another max player the following offseason. Your math is way off.
Basically the reality of your proposal is Jackson for someone like Bridges or Williams and dumping Tyson and Knight in the process to get maybe Cousins which is in itself a huge longshot and with no real secondary max target that would make sense for Phoenix that is close to getable. The 2nd rounder is basically about upgrading from a mid to early 2nd since we have too many picks, which is very minimal value. There is no way, absent a bunch of additional moves, that we could also afford another max player the following offseason.
If the key to the trade is clearing enough to get max space this offseason--great, let's trade a couple protected firsts to dump Tyson. That is enough without including Jackson.
If the idea is to get another max player, then we are having to trade another $30 mil out the window, which means Knight plus Warren plus something else. I would rather just use Warren to dump Knight then and keep Jackson.
All are better than that awful trade as far as Phoenix would go. They aren't tanking to use their picks to dump the tankworthy players in order to be FA players. This isn't LA.
No you didn't... you literally said "why would we give up on Jackson just to dump Tyson and Knight"... the scenario wasn't just a salary dump. It has you getting another lotto pick (Knicks are not making the playoffs regardless of our start) and I touched on some players that were pretty realistic shots in free agency. You mentioned none of that.
My math is not off, you'd only have...
Booker- due for extension/ cap hold 300% of salary= 13.5 mil
Warren- 11 mil
Bender- 6 mil
Chriss- 4 mil
Ulis- 1.7 mil
AWilliams- 5.5 mil (TO)
Reed- 1.6 mil
@ approx 44 mil... plus your first round picks in 2018 & 2019... prob another 15-20 mil combined based on projected draft positions. Let's say you're at 65 mil there because of the 2nd rounders... some of which you could either keep for cheap, draft n stash, use to trade up your 1st's, trade for future 2nds, trade for cash, or shed other contracts with.
Then you sign a max player in 2018... let's figure 30 mil. That puts you at 95. The cap will be approx 108 in 2019 according to Realgm.
You're still in a position to pick up another max player because you're pretty flexible cap wise. Warren's 11 mil could be sent off for space and Williams' 5.5 mil could come off with the TO. That could get you around 30 mil.
Whether you think top FA's would sign in PHX is a matter of opinion, but I think you'd have a good chance at the guys I listed, and if not them, there's others to pick from.
Just a hypothetical trade tho. No need to get mad.
