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Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm

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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#921 » by denial » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:44 am

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itlnsunsfan wrote:Ugh. If this is true, it's really bad. Makes me wonder again if Koko's lack of fluent English is a problem.

Your workplace communication is irrelevant. This was a basketball huddle. Obviously there was a problem. There is no way there should be a miscommunication at that point in the game over something so simple


The basketball huddle is a workplace in the NBA. I think my experience talking to people in English is relevant. But whatever.
And maybe there was a problem. I did not disagree. Im just saying that the problfem was not English.


Your workplace is not the same as a basketball huddle. It has no bearing. You communicating in English has no bearing. There was a miscommunication in this basketball huddle. Igor said they were suppose to foul. Booker thought they werent suppose to foul. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Booker did not understand Igor. By extension, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest maybe Booker didnt understand because Igor does not speak fluent english.a


Until you hear Igor talk for ten seconds and realize that anyone who speaks English would understand him fine.

You act like in a basketball huddle talking is different than anywhere else. I coached basketball for 8 seasons. Talking in a huddle is eerily similar to talking anywhere.

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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#922 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:44 am

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itlnsunsfan wrote:Ugh. If this is true, it's really bad. Makes me wonder again if Koko's lack of fluent English is a problem.

Your workplace communication is irrelevant. This was a basketball huddle. Obviously there was a problem. There is no way there should be a miscommunication at that point in the game over something so simple


The basketball huddle is a workplace in the NBA. I think my experience talking to people in English is relevant. But whatever.
And maybe there was a problem. I did not disagree. Im just saying that the problfem was not English.


Your workplace is not the same as a basketball huddle. It has no bearing. You communicating in English has no bearing. There was a miscommunication in this basketball huddle. Igor said they were suppose to foul. Booker thought they werent suppose to foul. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Booker did not understand Igor. By extension, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest maybe Booker didnt understand because Igor does not speak fluent english.a


I can't imagine they couldn't understand him. I also can't imagine Igor making it up. But Booker may not have been paying attention or just thought he heard "don't" in front of foul. Igor probably did say "Don't do this or this, but..."
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#923 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:44 am

Jason Kidd would have spilled his drink on the court stopping MAMO from hitting that 3.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#924 » by bwoolf2 » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:45 am

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DaleyBlind wrote:Zion or Barrett?


I think we need to watch them more. Zion hit his only 3 last night. The main thing is, if we get more stars, Booker has to trust them at the end and we need to play team ball all the time.

Because either of those guys could potentially be our best player. Zion seems really exciting, but Barrett is #1 for a reason and an all around stud.

Reddish too.

I'm sure some others will emerge.


Barrett is our chance to correct our mistake of not getting Doncic.


both are special Zion is that beast I think we need but Barrett is so polished I dont think I could pass on him.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#925 » by Calvin Klein » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:45 am

:lol: At people claiming language barrier is the problem...
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Post#926 » by itlnsunsfan » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:45 am

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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#927 » by DaleyBlind » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:46 am

James Jones will want to bring in his own coach, he just will.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#928 » by bwoolf2 » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:46 am

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itlnsunsfan wrote:
denial wrote:
The basketball huddle is a workplace in the NBA. I think my experience talking to people in English is relevant. But whatever.
And maybe there was a problem. I did not disagree. Im just saying that the problfem was not English.


Your workplace is not the same as a basketball huddle. It has no bearing. You communicating in English has no bearing. There was a miscommunication in this basketball huddle. Igor said they were suppose to foul. Booker thought they werent suppose to foul. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Booker did not understand Igor. By extension, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest maybe Booker didnt understand because Igor does not speak fluent english.a


I can't imagine they couldn't understand him. I also can't imagine Igor making it up. But Booker may not have been paying attention or just thought he heard "don't" in front of foul. Igor probably did say "Don't do this or this, but..."


Sounds like the players have tuned him out to some degree already... just saying...
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Post#929 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:46 am

I miss Steve Albert. K Ray is the problem on the broadcast side
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#930 » by TheLogician » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:47 am

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I work with really smart people from USA and UK, English first language. We miscommunicate every day.
I've heard Koko at the podium. His English is fine. I'm sure he says "foul" just fine.


Yeah, I have no concern about a language barrier. I'm just pretty sure Prunty was telling them how to defend on the last possession.


C'mon, the language barrier isn't a problem. Did you listen to his press conference? I mean that's ridiculous. We will struggle if Ayton allows layups like that and Booker tries to play hero ball. When we were moving the ball the first 3 qtrs and everyone was involved we did well on offense.

Someone mentioned that once Booker went hero mode he was the only one who scored other than Warren. Well, of course, what do you expect? Canaan missed some 3s but he had hit some earlier and I would have rather had Bridges in there, but I can understand wanting a good ball handler in there at the end.

I was surprised at how well we played the Celtics tonight though overall....especially after getting the Memphis win and playing Toronto tough.


That's what I said. Perhaps a miscommunication here.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#931 » by Blonde » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:47 am

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I think we need to watch them more. Zion hit his only 3 last night. The main thing is, if we get more stars, Booker has to trust them at the end and we need to play team ball all the time.

Because either of those guys could potentially be our best player. Zion seems really exciting, but Barrett is #1 for a reason and an all around stud.

Reddish too.

I'm sure some others will emerge.


Barrett is our chance to correct our mistake of not getting Doncic.


Would you rather have Ayton and Bridges or Doncic? What if I add Mitchell Robinson to the latter?


I was hardcore pushing Doncic all Summer so easy answer for me. Doncic. Wouldn’t have gone with Robinson at 16 but I get your point. Plus we’d have the Heat pick still.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#932 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:48 am

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Sounds like both things were to happen....switch, and only foul if far from the 3 pt line. It's probably just tougher with younger players not knowing when to do what. He hasn't been used to playing with lower iq players, but he's certainly getting a taste.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm anyone see 

Post#933 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:48 am

Anyone see that weird hydrenix commercial with KRay oozing over frank Thomas. Creeps me out
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#934 » by _79_ » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:49 am

This team would be so much better if we just picked the name of a random poster on here out of a hat and put them in charge of the rotations.

I am truly mind boggled at how stupid Igor is.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#935 » by itlnsunsfan » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:49 am

bwgood77 wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:
denial wrote:
The basketball huddle is a workplace in the NBA. I think my experience talking to people in English is relevant. But whatever.
And maybe there was a problem. I did not disagree. Im just saying that the problfem was not English.


Your workplace is not the same as a basketball huddle. It has no bearing. You communicating in English has no bearing. There was a miscommunication in this basketball huddle. Igor said they were suppose to foul. Booker thought they werent suppose to foul. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Booker did not understand Igor. By extension, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest maybe Booker didnt understand because Igor does not speak fluent english.a


I can't imagine they couldn't understand him. I also can't imagine Igor making it up. But Booker may not have been paying attention or just thought he heard "don't" in front of foul. Igor probably did say "Don't do this or this, but..."


There was a lack of comprehension of Igor's instructions by multiple players. The question is why.
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#936 » by denial » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:50 am

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Your workplace is not the same as a basketball huddle. It has no bearing. You communicating in English has no bearing. There was a miscommunication in this basketball huddle. Igor said they were suppose to foul. Booker thought they werent suppose to foul. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Booker did not understand Igor. By extension, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest maybe Booker didnt understand because Igor does not speak fluent english.a


I can't imagine they couldn't understand him. I also can't imagine Igor making it up. But Booker may not have been paying attention or just thought he heard "don't" in front of foul. Igor probably did say "Don't do this or this, but..."


There was a lack of comprehension by multiple players. The question is why.


dont know. But it was not because of English not being Igor's mother tongue.
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Post#937 » by RaisingArizona » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:51 am

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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#938 » by bwgood77 » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:51 am

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itlnsunsfan wrote:
Your workplace is not the same as a basketball huddle. It has no bearing. You communicating in English has no bearing. There was a miscommunication in this basketball huddle. Igor said they were suppose to foul. Booker thought they werent suppose to foul. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that Booker did not understand Igor. By extension, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest maybe Booker didnt understand because Igor does not speak fluent english.a


I can't imagine they couldn't understand him. I also can't imagine Igor making it up. But Booker may not have been paying attention or just thought he heard "don't" in front of foul. Igor probably did say "Don't do this or this, but..."


Sounds like the players have tuned him out to some degree already... just saying...


Well that's a huge problem with the players then if they tune out a new coach 10 games in the season after they rave about him. Our roster has about 3 or 4 good players. They haven't tuned him out though because we played the Raps tough, beat Memphis and played the Celtics tough. We played two top east teams very tough and beat a pretty good Memphis team.

They are certainly getting better.

It's funny, this is probably our best game of the year against a great team and people seem to be more pissed off at the coach then when we got blown out earlier in the year.
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Post#939 » by Frank Lee » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:51 am

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Frank Lee wrote:Nice chime in Miyag..... but stats dont tell the whole story. This kid has a head problem and doesnt really know how to play basketball.....yet.

Frank, do me a favor and watch your favorite "tough guy, n'er do bad" current NBA big for 4 whole games, without watching any Suns game. Then watch a Suns game. I think you'd be surprised at how good Ayton actually is. If you want to really see how great he actually is, go rummage up some tape from your favorite "tough guy, n'er do bad" current NBA big's rookie seasons.



You miss the point dude... but swallowed the hook... I'll play.

He doesnt have a killer instinct needed to be great. Keep in mind, I am not arguing his talents, he has loads on O.... its his lack of anger in approaching a game in which he could/should physically dominate 70+% of his foes. He's just not about that. I mean... is there a ferocious Dunk in his highlite can yet? May be its a Jamaican thing.... you never really saw Duncan get pissed except when a foul wasn't called. 8-)
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Re: Game 11: Celtics (6-4) @ Suns (2-8), 7:00pm 

Post#940 » by itlnsunsfan » Fri Nov 9, 2018 5:52 am

denial wrote:
itlnsunsfan wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
I can't imagine they couldn't understand him. I also can't imagine Igor making it up. But Booker may not have been paying attention or just thought he heard "don't" in front of foul. Igor probably did say "Don't do this or this, but..."


There was a lack of comprehension by multiple players. The question is why.


dont know. But it was not because of English not being Igor's mother tongue.


Im sorry. There's no way you can say this with certainty.

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