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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#921 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 3, 2020 6:44 pm

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jredsaz wrote:His FT rate is super exciting. Think he could be dynamic as an off the bench guard early in his career. Possibly more as he develops.

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I'm really hoping we use the #10 to trade back for multiple picks, because this roster needs at least three more young, unproven point guards.

Rubio/Payne/Riller/Jerome/Carter/Okobo/Dotson/Flynn
Booker/Lecque
Bridges/Johnson
Oubre
Ayton/Diallo

Perfect.
Nah. Should also get a proven lead ball handler on the second unit as well. I think Riller can really score the ball but I wouldn't trust him to run the second unit on his own.

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Absolutely, We should consider adding veteran depth at our backup guard position, As none of Okobo/ Carter, Jerome are really the answer for us! Having said that, I see no reason to not add Riller or another high potential value guard option in a trade back scenario, As they can learn/ develop versatility to their current skillsets behind both Rubio as well as a veteran 2nd string option. Also, I think that Riller would give us a really dynamic/ elite ( 6th man type) scoring option for us at the combo guard position to compliment Cam off the bench with the gravity that he'd create :wink:

But most importantly will have intrinsic value for us in terms of a higher quality of depth at the 1/2 positions. Overall, The premise remains to add very low cost quality depth at our weakest positions currently, Whilst simultaneously having these bench prospects develop as high value tradable assets ( ** Which we currently lack)! That can be utilized in a bigger trade for a 3rd star potentially! To me, That's optimal asset management. :D

Just out of curiosity, Which free agent targets would you prioritize in free agency?
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Post#922 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Aug 3, 2020 7:20 pm

You should always take BPA but... Man if they could grab a guard who could take over for Rubio in 2 years it sure would make team building a hell of a lot easier.

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Post#923 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Aug 3, 2020 7:49 pm

It's that time again! ( Nevetsov) :lol: :tooth

Paul Reed :wink: is seemingly making big improvements to his shooting mechanics and ballhandling skillset. This is definitely great news, And very possibly moves him that much closer to the potential Jerami Grant / Pascal Siakim **( Ultimate ceiling potential)! Again, We should definitely have him top 3 on our board. And perhaps even #1 in a trade back scenario. Say what you will, But given the defensive inadequacies of our bench, I'd absolutely salivate at the ideas of a potential bench lineup, Wherein we add Vassell ( 10) and then purchase a late first/ early 2nd for Reed ( 32)? Then you look to add a Riller or even a Brein Tyree or Sam Merrill with a mid to late 2nd. And now you've added a very potent offense/ defense compliment to our bench. :nod:

Check this out, Very promising!


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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#924 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 3, 2020 8:54 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:You should always take BPA but... Man if they could grab a guard who could take over for Rubio in 2 years it sure would make team building a hell of a lot easier.

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I don't know...BPA are almost always going to be older guys and sometimes there are freshmen with higher upside that are just younger. I like the proven players but BPA in the long run isn't necessarily easy to determine. I don't think you have Toppin #1 or even in the top 4, but he won all the college awards for best player and willed his team with a lot lesser talent than most big conference teams to a great record and ranking. Vassell and Halliburton might be the next best players available right now. I am really high on all these guys but many have others ranked higher....guards that shoot sub 30% from 3 and stuff but are younger with more perceived upside.
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Post#925 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 3, 2020 8:59 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:It's that time again! ( Nevetsov) :lol: :tooth

Paul Reed :wink: is seemingly making big improvements to his shooting mechanics and ballhandling skillset. This is definitely great news, And very possibly moves him that much closer to the potential Jerami Grant / Pascal Siakim **( Ultimate ceiling potential)! Again, We should definitely have him top 3 on our board. And perhaps even #1 in a trade back scenario. Say what you will, But given the defensive inadequacies of our bench, I'd absolutely salivate at the ideas of a potential bench lineup, Wherein we add Vassell ( 10) and then purchase a late first/ early 2nd for Reed ( 32)? Then you look to add a Riller or even a Brein Tyree or Sam Merrill with a mid to late 2nd. And now you've added a very potent offense/ defense compliment to our bench. :nod:


What is your guesstimation on how many picks Sarver buys? 1? 2? More? -1?
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Post#926 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:17 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:It's that time again! ( Nevetsov) :tooth

Paul Reed :wink: is seemingly making big improvements to his shooting mechanics and ballhandling skillset. This is definitely great news, And very possibly moves him that much closer to the potential Jerami Grant / Pascal Siakim **( Ultimate ceiling potential)! Again, We should definitely have him top 3 on our board. And perhaps even #1 in a trade back scenario. Say what you will, But given the defensive inadequacies of our bench, I'd absolutely salivate at the ideas of a potential bench lineup, Wherein we add Vassell ( 10) and then purchase a late first/ early 2nd for Reed ( 32)? Then you look to add a Riller or even a Brein Tyree or Sam Merrill with a mid to late 2nd. And now you've added a very potent offense/ defense compliment to our bench. :nod:


What is your guesstimation on how many picks Sarver buys? 1? 2? More? -1?
We should start a go fund me for the suns to buy a 2nd round pick lol

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#927 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:20 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:You should always take BPA but... Man if they could grab a guard who could take over for Rubio in 2 years it sure would make team building a hell of a lot easier.

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I don't know...BPA are almost always going to be older guys and sometimes there are freshmen with higher upside that are just younger. I like the proven players but BPA in the long run isn't necessarily easy to determine. I don't think you have Toppin #1 or even in the top 4, but he won all the college awards for best player and willed his team with a lot lesser talent than most big conference teams to a great record and ranking. Vassell and Halliburton might be the next best players available right now. I am really high on all these guys but many have others ranked higher....guards that shoot sub 30% from 3 and stuff but are younger with more perceived upside.
I'm not taking too deep of a dive until I actually know where the suns will be picking more was just stating teams can get in trouble forcing a pick by positional need vs just taking the best prospect. But man oh man would finding a future PG make things a hell of a lot easier from a roster construction standpoint, Rubio's deal expires right when Bridges and Aytons next contract kicks in so it would be nice to not have to replace that with a high dollar PG and have two more seasons of this years pick on a rookie deal.

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#928 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:27 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:It's that time again! ( Nevetsov) :lol: :tooth

Paul Reed :wink: is seemingly making big improvements to his shooting mechanics and ballhandling skillset. This is definitely great news, And very possibly moves him that much closer to the potential Jerami Grant / Pascal Siakim **( Ultimate ceiling potential)! Again, We should definitely have him top 3 on our board. And perhaps even #1 in a trade back scenario. Say what you will, But given the defensive inadequacies of our bench, I'd absolutely salivate at the ideas of a potential bench lineup, Wherein we add Vassell ( 10) and then purchase a late first/ early 2nd for Reed ( 32)? Then you look to add a Riller or even a Brein Tyree or Sam Merrill with a mid to late 2nd. And now you've added a very potent offense/ defense compliment to our bench. :nod:

Check this out, Very promising!


Good work ethic is important too.


A couple things I really like about Reed are how much he's improved from his freshman season and his overall energy level. Part of what got him in trouble in college was his tendency to be too aggressive on defense, gambling and biting on pump fakes. Mitigates the value of his blocks and steals a bit. But that length and energy is certainly something we could use.

Might be the best mix of upside/readiness at the back of the lotto, perhaps depending on the size of Tyler Bey's hands and how much weight Pokusevski's added. Just based on the way our guys have performed so far in the bubble, this is how I see our depth chart for next season. Plenty of holes to fill. At the 2/3 most obviously, but an energetic, versatile big would fit really well with our core I think.

Rubio/Payne/Jerome
Booker/Carter
Bridges
Johnson/Saric
Ayton/[Baynes]
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Post#929 » by bwgood77 » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:39 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:You should always take BPA but... Man if they could grab a guard who could take over for Rubio in 2 years it sure would make team building a hell of a lot easier.

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I don't know...BPA are almost always going to be older guys and sometimes there are freshmen with higher upside that are just younger. I like the proven players but BPA in the long run isn't necessarily easy to determine. I don't think you have Toppin #1 or even in the top 4, but he won all the college awards for best player and willed his team with a lot lesser talent than most big conference teams to a great record and ranking. Vassell and Halliburton might be the next best players available right now. I am really high on all these guys but many have others ranked higher....guards that shoot sub 30% from 3 and stuff but are younger with more perceived upside.
I'm not taking too deep of a dive until I actually know where the suns will be picking more was just stating teams can get in trouble forcing a pick by positional need vs just taking the best prospect. But man oh man would finding a future PG make things a hell of a lot easier from a roster construction standpoint, Rubio's deal expires right when Bridges and Aytons next contract kicks in so it would be nice to not have to replace that with a high dollar PG and have two more seasons of this years pick on a rookie deal.

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I'm a little weary drafting point guards after the great point guard class of Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr, Frank Ntilikina and Lonzo Ball. Unless they kill it in college like Trae or Ja, it's a little worrisome to take a project or raw guy. Shai even was good in college...but the guys this year..other than Tyrese who will probably be a nice player but might have limited upside, are playing overseas mostly and none of them can shoot. Cole was from NC but he was terrible. Kira Lewis can shoot ok but he turns it over a lot.

Next year there are 3-4 projected in the lottery and 6-7 projected in the first round.

However, it seems like a lot of times, PGs flourish with their 2nd or 3rd teams. Look at a guy like Lowry...or even Dragic when he did, Bledsoe, Rubio...it seems like there are a lot of PGs and a lot of depth on teams.

The PGs just overall kind of worry me. It also seems like unless they were borderline superstars in college (Trae or Ja) or international (Luka if you consider him a PG) then you are REALLY rolling the dice.

Too bad we let Melton go but like you mentioned, they committed decent money to Tyus Jones and have Ja, so maybe we could try and get him back. Kyle Lowry actually played almost 3 years in Memphis and over 3 years in Houston before ending up in Toronto...it didn't even seem like they were going to keep him for a couple years and for the past few years he's been a top PG in the NBA.

If I can't draft a guy who looks like a sure thing, I scout PGs in the NBA on teams with depth.
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Post#930 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 4, 2020 12:13 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:It's that time again! ( Nevetsov) :lol: :tooth

Paul Reed :wink: is seemingly making big improvements to his shooting mechanics and ballhandling skillset. This is definitely great news, And very possibly moves him that much closer to the potential Jerami Grant / Pascal Siakim **( Ultimate ceiling potential)! Again, We should definitely have him top 3 on our board. And perhaps even #1 in a trade back scenario. Say what you will, But given the defensive inadequacies of our bench, I'd absolutely salivate at the ideas of a potential bench lineup, Wherein we add Vassell ( 10) and then purchase a late first/ early 2nd for Reed ( 32)? Then you look to add a Riller or even a Brein Tyree or Sam Merrill with a mid to late 2nd. And now you've added a very potent offense/ defense compliment to our bench. :nod:


What is your guesstimation on how many picks Sarver buys? 1? 2? More? -1?


I think that they'll first look to trade back for a veteran backup guard, Maybe a delon Wright or perhaps a George hill or even maybe taking back a Spencer Dinwiddie from Brooklyn with a pick swap option? And IF nothing materializes, then they'll look to add a total of 2 picks ( 10) and then a later an early to mid 2nd. Most likely first looking at a 3 and D big to play the backup 4/5. And a shooter/ scorer in the 2nd round ( 1/2) compliment to Booker/ Rubio or vice versa. So more or less, But nevertheless, Two picks total. Lastly, However they choose to do it? My gut tells me that they will look to target Saddiq Bey or Aaron Nesmith at 10, and then later in the draft, either Desmond Bane or Grant Riller. However, IF they go guard first, Then big later, I see them targeting either Lewis or Riller at 10, And then Killian Tillie in the 2nd ( As a value pick). ***

2nd round scoring option outliers being Breein Tyree/ Desmond Bane/ Malachi Flynn/ Payton Pritchard? :dontknow:
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Post#931 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 4, 2020 12:33 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:It's that time again! ( Nevetsov) :tooth

Paul Reed :wink: is seemingly making big improvements to his shooting mechanics and ballhandling skillset. This is definitely great news, And very possibly moves him that much closer to the potential Jerami Grant / Pascal Siakim **( Ultimate ceiling potential)! Again, We should definitely have him top 3 on our board. And perhaps even #1 in a trade back scenario. Say what you will, But given the defensive inadequacies of our bench, I'd absolutely salivate at the ideas of a potential bench lineup, Wherein we add Vassell ( 10) and then purchase a late first/ early 2nd for Reed ( 32)? Then you look to add a Riller or even a Brein Tyree or Sam Merrill with a mid to late 2nd. And now you've added a very potent offense/ defense compliment to our bench. :nod:


What is your guesstimation on how many picks Sarver buys? 1? 2? More? -1?
We should start a go fund me for the suns to buy a 2nd round pick lol

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That would definitely be funny for sure! :lol: But honestly, All joking aside, My gut tells me that Sarver/ Jones ( Whoever makes the call)??? Will look to trade back for cheaper assets. But If the recent circumstances with Sarver are any indication, Then we'll likely see the suns add 1- 2 picks total, possibly even 3 picks ( 2 in the 2nd) those being Desmond Bane 1/2 ( IF he falls) and Killian Tillie ( 4/5). As they'll have the lowest monetary impact on our cap. And they'll do this to add secondary depth, And then look to bring Saric on a qualifying offer, and renounce Kaminsky, And release Okobo and Diallo.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#932 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 4, 2020 12:37 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:You should always take BPA but... Man if they could grab a guard who could take over for Rubio in 2 years it sure would make team building a hell of a lot easier.

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I don't know...BPA are almost always going to be older guys and sometimes there are freshmen with higher upside that are just younger. I like the proven players but BPA in the long run isn't necessarily easy to determine. I don't think you have Toppin #1 or even in the top 4, but he won all the college awards for best player and willed his team with a lot lesser talent than most big conference teams to a great record and ranking. Vassell and Halliburton might be the next best players available right now. I am really high on all these guys but many have others ranked higher....guards that shoot sub 30% from 3 and stuff but are younger with more perceived upside.
I'm not taking too deep of a dive until I actually know where the suns will be picking more was just stating teams can get in trouble forcing a pick by positional need vs just taking the best prospect. But man oh man would finding a future PG make things a hell of a lot easier from a roster construction standpoint, Rubio's deal expires right when Bridges and Aytons next contract kicks in so it would be nice to not have to replace that with a high dollar PG and have two more seasons of this years pick on a rookie deal.

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That's another great example of great intrinsic value of rookie contracts. The increased cap flexibility for critical core contractual obligations. :wink:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#933 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:02 am

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:It's that time again! ( Nevetsov) :lol: :tooth

Paul Reed :wink: is seemingly making big improvements to his shooting mechanics and ballhandling skillset. This is definitely great news, And very possibly moves him that much closer to the potential Jerami Grant / Pascal Siakim **( Ultimate ceiling potential)! Again, We should definitely have him top 3 on our board. And perhaps even #1 in a trade back scenario. Say what you will, But given the defensive inadequacies of our bench, I'd absolutely salivate at the ideas of a potential bench lineup, Wherein we add Vassell ( 10) and then purchase a late first/ early 2nd for Reed ( 32)? Then you look to add a Riller or even a Brein Tyree or Sam Merrill with a mid to late 2nd. And now you've added a very potent offense/ defense compliment to our bench. :nod:

Check this out, Very promising!


Good work ethic is important too.


A couple things I really like about Reed are how much he's improved from his freshman season and his overall energy level. Part of what got him in trouble in college was his tendency to be too aggressive on defense, gambling and biting on pump fakes. Mitigates the value of his blocks and steals a bit. But that length and energy is certainly something we could use.

Might be the best mix of upside/readiness at the back of the lotto, perhaps depending on the size of Tyler Bey's hands and how much weight Pokusevski's added. Just based on the way our guys have performed so far in the bubble, this is how I see our depth chart for next season. Plenty of holes to fill. At the 2/3 most obviously, but an energetic, versatile big would fit really well with our core I think.

Rubio/Payne/Jerome
Booker/Carter
Bridges
Johnson/Saric
Ayton/[Baynes]


I'm glad that he's improving in those two areas honestly! Those were my main issues with him. And if he can really improve from them, Then I'd have to put him neck N' neck with Jalen Smith for best 4/5 3 and D option. Also, I do honestly love his potential versatility. He could be an amazing defender guarding and switching between the 3-5 depending upon the situation. Which would provide great value for us. And IF his work ethic is strong and he really improves his ballhandling and shooting consistency, Then you possibly have your own Pascal Siakim type player next to Ayton? And on a rookie contract too. That's maximum value for a low cost asset.

Also we should be targeting Grant Riller or Breein Tyree for 6th man scoring off the bench. :nod:
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Post#934 » by jredsaz » Tue Aug 4, 2020 1:23 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:You should always take BPA but... Man if they could grab a guard who could take over for Rubio in 2 years it sure would make team building a hell of a lot easier.

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Post#938 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Aug 5, 2020 7:30 pm

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Can't even tell who runs that site.


Yeah! I'm really not digging their new changes/ format. They used to have a much better site layout too. But they do register interesting comps and prospect skillset analysis at times.

https://nbadraftroom.com/about/

Mike – NBA Draft Room – @NBAdraftRoom – founded the site in 2009. Basketball junkie, draft nerd. Mock draft maker since 1992. A poor man’s T.J. McConnell.

Draft Room Contributors

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Daniel Kaufman – writing for the site since 2020.

Still some interesting takes on draft selections I'd think. :D
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Post#939 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Aug 5, 2020 8:14 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Can't even tell who runs that site.


Yeah! I'm really not digging their new changes/ format. They used to have a much better site layout too. But they do register interesting comps and prospect skillset analysis at times.

https://nbadraftroom.com/about/

Mike – NBA Draft Room – @NBAdraftRoom – founded the site in 2009. Basketball junkie, draft nerd. Mock draft maker since 1992. A poor man’s T.J. McConnell.

Draft Room Contributors

Leader Johnson – @WriterLeader247 – writer, leader, draft analyst and Philly sports guru. Started writing for NBA Draft Room in 2017. Check out his Follow the Leader podcast.

Brandon – @AZSportsZone – Arizona sports, Suns, NBA draft content.

Daniel Kaufman – writing for the site since 2020.

Still some interesting takes on draft selections I'd think. :D


Patrick Williams. Oof. He's none of the things I'm hoping for. I guess Mr. Kleen really digs him.
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Post#940 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Aug 5, 2020 8:32 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Can't even tell who runs that site.


Yeah! I'm really not digging their new changes/ format. They used to have a much better site layout too. But they do register interesting comps and prospect skillset analysis at times.

https://nbadraftroom.com/about/

Mike – NBA Draft Room – @NBAdraftRoom – founded the site in 2009. Basketball junkie, draft nerd. Mock draft maker since 1992. A poor man’s T.J. McConnell.

Draft Room Contributors

Leader Johnson – @WriterLeader247 – writer, leader, draft analyst and Philly sports guru. Started writing for NBA Draft Room in 2017. Check out his Follow the Leader podcast.

Brandon – @AZSportsZone – Arizona sports, Suns, NBA draft content.

Daniel Kaufman – writing for the site since 2020.

Still some interesting takes on draft selections I'd think. :D


Patrick Williams. Oof. He's none of the things I'm hoping for. I guess Mr. Kleen really digs him.
I actually kind of like Patrick Williams from what I've read about him. High energy and versatile big with some good upside.

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