College basketball and 2017 draft - One more poll after last game

[Qwigglez]

I don't see an in-between game from his 3 point shot to his layups. Fultz possesses a mid-range jumper, and can split defenders. I havent' seen much of that from Ball. I don't think he is quick enough to guard most PG's in the NBA. Who knows though, if he becomes a Sun, I will root for him.

[Zelaznyrules]

I don't see an in-between game from his 3 point shot to his layups. Fultz possesses a mid-range jumper, and can split defenders. I havent' seen much of that from Ball. I don't think he is quick enough to guard most PG's in the NBA. Who knows though, if he becomes a Sun, I will root for him.

We haven't seen much of it but he's come through when he needed to and with whatever shot the defense gives him. I worried about his quickness early on because of all the stats about his lack of scoring when he penetrates but he's got speed to spare and has excellent body control so I don't see a problem. It may never be the strength of his game but given what I've seen from him, if he finds he needs it at the next level I am very confident he will develop a very effective mid-range game. It's not like the skills are all that different from the skills he already demonstrates every game. And every game, whatever UCLA needs, he delivers.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'm more worried about Josh Jackson, it's hard to find a player who can have 8 turnovers and shoot 20% from FT and you aren't sure it's an outlier game. There have been plenty of athlete types where you budget in this or that will get better (Gordon, Exum, Bennett, Len etc) and it never happens.

As much as we want as high a pick as possible, I think after Fultz there's probably 7 guys who would make great value picks 4-8 but if you pick them 2-3 you'd be really nervous that their flaws have bust potential.

[darealjuice]

I'm more worried about Josh Jackson, it's hard to find a player who can have 8 turnovers and shoot 20% from FT and you aren't sure it's an outlier game. There have been plenty of athlete types where you budget in this or that will get better (Gordon, Exum, Bennett, Len etc) and it never happens.

As much as we want as high a pick as possible, I think after Fultz there's probably 7 guys who would make great value picks 4-8 but if you pick them 2-3 you'd be really nervous that their flaws have bust potential.

He's a little turnover prone, but it's 1 game out of 30 on Senior Night where the entire team came out of the gate playing too fast. It's basically the definition of an outlier. He has a much, much high basketball IQ than all of the players you mentioned lol those were all players that you hoped would develop a feel for the game to go with the skill/athleticism, and he's already got it. If you watched the game you'd have seen that a few of his turnovers were his teammates not being ready for the ball and he had 2 where he was getting a contested rebound/steal on the baseline and stepped out getting them, counting them as turnovers against him. He had some bad passes and overaggressive drives, but he's going to benefit from having more space on the court and not always having a center crowding the paint when he gets to the league.

All of the guys 2-7 have flaws and bust potential, otherwise they wouldn't be rated where they are. Jackson isn't a good shooter, Ball has a questionable release, isn't very quick with the ball, and doesn't create much of his own offense, DSJ already tore his ACL once and has quit on his team during games this year, Isaac fades out of games and his only move off the dribble is a 1 or 2 dribble pull up, Tatum isn't very athletic and plays too much iso-ball, French Frank has pretty loose handles, a relatively low release on his shot, and barely plays on a team in a not as good European league, Lauri probably won't be able to guard NBA PFs and doesn't have the skill set of a center, Monk is a shooting guard in a PGs body, Fox can't shoot jump shots. They all have flaws lol it's about who you think can correct them and who can succeed despite them.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not that predraft athletic testing is an end all be all but it would really help ball if he tests out as atleast an above average athlete at the combine. If he doesn't then it will cause some concerns how his game will translate to the pros.

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[MrMiyagi]

Not that predraft athletic testing is an end all be all but it would really help ball if he tests out as atleast an above average athlete at the combine. If he doesn't then it will cause some concerns how his game will translate to the pros.

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How did Booker do on the athletic testing? I don't recall.

[ATTL]

Not that predraft athletic testing is an end all be all but it would really help ball if he tests out as atleast an above average athlete at the combine. If he doesn't then it will cause some concerns how his game will translate to the pros.

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How did Booker do on the athletic testing? I don't recall.

Booker was the top rated in agility drills, 34.5" max vert.

[kennydorglas]

Not that predraft athletic testing is an end all be all but it would really help ball if he tests out as atleast an above average athlete at the combine. If he doesn't then it will cause some concerns how his game will translate to the pros.

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How did Booker do on the athletic testing? I don't recall.

he was very good in the agility/sprint testing

[jeff2020]

If we can't get Fultz or Ball I would rather just trade down and grab frank ntilikina. In a PG league he fits our age of young prospects and we could acquire another pick next year or a prospect or something. I don't really care for Isaac, Monk, Fox, Smith or Tatum. I like Jackson alright, but if we could trade down and get ntilikina and get another pick or prospect out of it I think that suits us best

[Bogyo]

Not that predraft athletic testing is an end all be all but it would really help ball if he tests out as atleast an above average athlete at the combine. If he doesn't then it will cause some concerns how his game will translate to the pros.

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How did Booker do on the athletic testing? I don't recall.

Pretty quick and agile, just not too explosive IIRC.

[bwgood77]

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[NTB]

If we can't get Fultz or Ball I would rather just trade down and grab frank ntilikina. In a PG league he fits our age of young prospects and we could acquire another pick next year or a prospect or something. I don't really care for Isaac, Monk, Fox, Smith or Tatum. I like Jackson alright, but if we could trade down and get ntilikina and get another pick or prospect out of it I think that suits us best

I think the best strategy is to trade Bledsoe for a top 10 pick and draft Jackson + Ntilikina. The problem is, we may not be able to find a trading partner to give their top 10 pick for Bledsoe.

[kennydorglas]

Not that predraft athletic testing is an end all be all but it would really help ball if he tests out as atleast an above average athlete at the combine. If he doesn't then it will cause some concerns how his game will translate to the pros.

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It's a shame when top prospects skip the athletic testing IMO

[SC923]

If we can't get Fultz or Ball I would rather just trade down and grab frank ntilikina. In a PG league he fits our age of young prospects and we could acquire another pick next year or a prospect or something. I don't really care for Isaac, Monk, Fox, Smith or Tatum. I like Jackson alright, but if we could trade down and get ntilikina and get another pick or prospect out of it I think that suits us best

I think the best strategy is to trade Bledsoe for a top 10 pick and draft Jackson + Ntilikina. The problem is, we may not be able to find a trading partner to give their top 10 pick for Bledsoe.

Orlando or New York seems like the best bet if any teams were to budge.

[sunsbum]

Does anyone else here like Tatum over Jackson...Or let me put it this way, why is Jackson rated 3-5 spots higher than Tatum?

[NTB]

Does anyone else here like Tatum over Jackson...Or let me put it this way, why is Jackson rated 3-5 spots higher than Tatum?

I don't know much of a NCAA basketball but from what I've read Jackson has better defense and passing skills, better overall BBIQ, better all-around game. I may be wrong though.

[sunsbum]

It looks like Tatum might be a little more parimeter oriented. Jackson's ft numbers are terrible though.

How do you guys think we will draft position wise in terms of need?

PG
C - no good center prospects in our range.
SF
SG
PF

[ATTL]

Does anyone else here like Tatum over Jackson...Or let me put it this way, why is Jackson rated 3-5 spots higher than Tatum?

Passing, defense, much better athlete, can create for himself and others easier.

Tatum looks like a better catch and shoot player and is a year younger than JJ. Jackson is older than marquese, and just 3 months younger than Devin.

[MrMiyagi]

Does anyone else here like Tatum over Jackson...Or let me put it this way, why is Jackson rated 3-5 spots higher than Tatum?

I think that Tatum is closer to Jackson than we think. I have both in my top 5, I think they're both better fits for our team than Fultz. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to see Tatum pass Jackson by the time the draft rolls around.

[MrMiyagi]

FSU-Duke tonight. Tatum vs Isaac. I'm still not sold on Isaac being top 5 like some of you, but I'll see if he changes my mind tonight.