Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[King4Day]

Anyways, Kawhi is not going anywhere, Spurs are the best run sports org in the world... they wont let a top 5 player leave.

FA wise...

Paul George
21ppg
6rpg
3apg
2spg

3 Three-pters per game at 42%


Thats one player I definitely will target.

Agreed here. Our best hope is that the Thunder implode completely.
I def see us getting a meeting with him but I see PG, like LeBron (supposedly), Aldridge, and Griffin. They'll dangle their interest but never sign.

[King4Day]

Anyways, Kawhi is not going anywhere, Spurs are the best run sports org in the world... they wont let a top 5 player leave.

FA wise...

Paul George
21ppg
6rpg
3apg
2spg

3 Three-pters per game at 42%


Thats one player I definitely will target.

If we do go after PG in FA, then one of Warren or JJ are being dangled in a trade. No way I can see 3 high usage SF co-exist in harmony. Honestly I think TJ has the most trade value, not only for his skill set, but the super sweet long-term deal he signed with the Suns. That deal alone holds a lot of value.

Considering his reasonable contract, I would make him our supersub. Unless we get a great offer for him.

[Cutter]

Anyways, Kawhi is not going anywhere, Spurs are the best run sports org in the world... they wont let a top 5 player leave.

FA wise...

Paul George
21ppg
6rpg
3apg
2spg

3 Three-pters per game at 42%


Thats one player I definitely will target.

If we do go after PG in FA, then one of Warren or JJ are being dangled in a trade. No way I can see 3 high usage SF co-exist in harmony. Honestly I think TJ has the most trade value, not only for his skill set, but the super sweet long-term deal he signed with the Suns. That deal alone holds a lot of value.

Considering his reasonable contract, I would make him our supersub. Unless we get a great offer for him.

Fair enough. We sign Paul George in FA, he becomes the starting SF. TJ is super-sub six man coming off the bench. Where does JJ get his minutes? I think one of TJ or JJ has to be moved if we sign George.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Triano Defensive Rating in NBA:

2018: 29th
2011: 30th
2010: 30th
2009: 22nd

[Wilber85]

Wes Mathews for Miami pick?

[Revived]

Question: you guys know about a(n expiring) player and a 2nd traded for a first ever? I can't think of any. Only my memory failing me, or there is other reasons why this can't be done/wasn't done?

It’s been done many times. Right off the top of my head, Bojan Bogdanović was traded for a 1st to Washington. There were other players involved for salary reasons but the deal was mainly him for a 1st. Bogdanović then signed with Indiana in the off season.

Gerald Wallace was also traded for a 1st rd pick from Portland to Brooklyn. That 1st rd pick ended up being Damian Lillard.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Did we do Brandon Wright 1st for 2nd swap?

[hollywood6964]

Anyways, Kawhi is not going anywhere, Spurs are the best run sports org in the world... they wont let a top 5 player leave.

FA wise...

Paul George
21ppg
6rpg
3apg
2spg

3 Three-pters per game at 42%


Thats one player I definitely will target.

Agreed here. Our best hope is that the Thunder implode completely.
I def see us getting a meeting with him but I see PG, like LeBron (supposedly), Aldridge, and Griffin. They'll dangle their interest but never sign.

That's what I'm thinking. Keep us as a fallback, but mainly use us to cut the best deal with the best team.

[Midnight_Suns]

There are about 27 teams Paul George would sign with before us.

[RunDogGun]

Why would we want Wes Matthews? Troy Daniels is shooting much better. I’d rather start Reed and Booker for a few games, and keep the Miami pick. Or even try Booker and Daniels for a few games.

[bwgood77]

There are about 27 teams Paul George would sign with before us.

It's pretty much OKC or the Lakers. I don't know about his report today...but if you take it seriously, OKC has a good chance. LeBron could convince him, but I don't know if it makes sense for LeBron to go to the Lakers, even with George. I can't see them beating GS or HOU. I know some hate to hear it, but we have a better chance on hitting a big difference maker in the draft. It could end up a bust, but that chance isn't greater than striking out in FA.

I guess no reason not to try since we get the pick anyway, but I don't realistically see us landing a big fish. But nailing a pick and having it pan out like Simmons, Tatum or Mitchell quickly along with a better PG could potentially get us on the fringe like Philly and then we have that major cap space, our chances of making a big move improve because we have more cap space if Booker waits to extend (and maybe if he doesn't wait-not sure) but even if no free agent we could make a trade and take back way more salary to nab someone like the Nets did.

[bwgood77]

I've never bought into Knight being a piece or a player I want to see going forward, but I was thinking, that if you can turn Melo into a spot up shooter (and it has yielded nice results) then maybe anyone can do it.

And given his injury, which may hurt his athleticism and taking it to the rim, it could help our spacing. He will be a hard piece to ever trade, and I don't want him starting next year (unless we are still stuck with Ulis and Canaan) then maybe he helps some off the bench. Canaan has looked decent at times, so we'll see how he does down the stretch. Maybe he can be one of those guys who blossoms a little bit.

I know none of that sounds exciting, and hopefully we get a solid PG in the draft, but who knows? Or if Jackson and Warren miraculously improve their 3 pt shot next season maybe we can go Booker/Jackson/Warren/Chriss/Ayton or Bamba or Jackson, though the latter two might not be ready to start yet.

Or if we get Young or Doncic (though for some reason I'm not sure McD would take him over whoever else is there if we jump into the top 1 or 2 spots)..then we grab Gafford or maybe Mitchell Robinson or another big later. Not sure about Robert Williams, but at 15-17 could be an option if we take Young earlier...Williams averaging 10 boards and 2.3 blocks so far this season.

[hollywood6964]

There are about 27 teams Paul George would sign with before us.

Hahaha

[Bogyo]

Question: you guys know about a(n expiring) player and a 2nd traded for a first ever? I can't think of any. Only my memory failing me, or there is other reasons why this can't be done/wasn't done?

It’s been done many times. Right off the top of my head, Bojan Bogdanović was traded for a 1st to Washington. There were other players involved for salary reasons but the deal was mainly him for a 1st. Bogdanović then signed with Indiana in the off season.

Gerald Wallace was also traded for a 1st rd pick from Portland to Brooklyn. That 1st rd pick ended up being Damian Lillard.

Yeah, I know these - I just don't think anyone (in their right mind) would give up a first for Moose or Daniels. So that's why I was asking if we attached a 2nd (or2) could we have another first, you guys think? We don't need 3 second round picks anyways. Indiana and Philly have the cap space, need shooting off the bench, and have a pick around 20.

[Walt_Uoob]

Plan A:

-Buy out Monroe
-Subtle tank
-Draft a center and PG
-Max Boogie (Len walks)
-Sign/trade for a 3&D PG

-FA/Ulis/Rookie
-Booker/Daniels
-TJ/JJ
-Chriss/Bender
-Boogie/Tyson/Rookie

Adjust at the 1 and 4 positions if needed mid season with expiring contracts of Dudley/Chandler + possible picks.



Plan B

-Buy out Monroe
-Subtle tank
-Draft a center and PG
-Strike out on big name free agents
-Preserve cap space for 2019
-Sign Okafor...if not Okafor, reluctantly sign Len
-Ask Knight not to be a F-ing moron and focus on defense, catch and shoot, and passing.

-Knight/Ulis/Rookie
-Booker/Daniels
-TJ/JJ
-Chriss/Bender
-Okafor/Rookie/Tyson

Showcase Knight. then dangle Knight + expiring contracts of Dudley/Chandler + possible picks. Possibly include anyone not named Booker/TJ in a trade.

Even better if we can exchange assets (4 green houses) for a star (red hotel) WHILE keeping cap room in 2019.

Dig it but I'd rather get Noel than Okafor.

[Damkac]

Plan A:

-Buy out Monroe
-Subtle tank
-Draft a center and PG
-Max Boogie (Len walks)
-Sign/trade for a 3&D PG

-FA/Ulis/Rookie
-Booker/Daniels
-TJ/JJ
-Chriss/Bender
-Boogie/Tyson/Rookie

Adjust at the 1 and 4 positions if needed mid season with expiring contracts of Dudley/Chandler + possible picks.



Plan B

-Buy out Monroe
-Subtle tank
-Draft a center and PG
-Strike out on big name free agents
-Preserve cap space for 2019
-Sign Okafor...if not Okafor, reluctantly sign Len
-Ask Knight not to be a F-ing moron and focus on defense, catch and shoot, and passing.

-Knight/Ulis/Rookie
-Booker/Daniels
-TJ/JJ
-Chriss/Bender
-Okafor/Rookie/Tyson

Showcase Knight. then dangle Knight + expiring contracts of Dudley/Chandler + possible picks. Possibly include anyone not named Booker/TJ in a trade.

Even better if we can exchange assets (4 green houses) for a star (red hotel) WHILE keeping cap room in 2019.

Dig it but I'd rather get Noel than Okafor.

Don't want neither. Both are limited players and terrible, stupid persons. What does Okafor better than Monroe or what Noel does better than Len? And did you forget who is Noel's agent?

[thamadkant]

Paul George has repeatedly said in the past that he wants to be MVP one day...


McD and Suns FO (Jones hopefully) can sell the Suns' MVP slot as available. Booker is young enough to take a Robin role next to George. Then when George declines, Booker enters his prime. I can see both of these guys putting up 24ppg with George being a DPOY candidate as well... the guy is a beast defensively, saw the Wizards game and he was Kawhi-esque with those steals... amazing.


I would run;

G: Booker
G: Jackson
F: George

enough ball handling there to cover for the lack of point guard... also can switch to any of the 1-3 and be capable of defending it.

and have Warren off the bench as the super scorer....


Then go for a legit BIG man.... if Cousins is out... I would offer a contract to Brook Lopez, who can hit the 3pt, block shots and dominate inside the paint.... rebounding?... he's a 7rpg type... but Suns would have Booker, Jackson and George who will fishing for the rebounds as part of the strategy.



I would then sign a veteran PF, who crashes the boards hard and plays defense... have Chriss and Bender battle it out for the starting PF.

[Qwigglez]

How about this simple trade -
Suns get-
Wes Mathews

Mavs get-
Brandon Knight
2018 Miami Pick

Mathews expires after next season so we would a ton of salary cap space, likely enough to get 2 max free agents. He'd add a shooter to our team, so maybe we can roll with Daniels and Booker starting or even just Mathews and Booker.

[Djedefre]

A ton of cap space doesn’t mean a thing if you’re unable to attract star FA’s, which is our case for the past x years. It’ll eventually turn into overpaying mediocre guys who simply cannot lift the franchise from obscurity and we’ll be stuck for yet another couple of years trying to undo the damage. I’m afraid we only have 2 options until we gain at least some kind od relevancy - 1) trade for a star, possibly giving up a lot or 2) draft and wait for magic to happen (aka GSW scenario)

[Revived]

How about this simple trade -
Suns get-
Wes Mathews

Mavs get-
Brandon Knight
2018 Miami Pick

Mathews expires after next season so we would a ton of salary cap space, likely enough to get 2 max free agents. He'd add a shooter to our team, so maybe we can roll with Daniels and Booker starting or even just Mathews and Booker.

This isn’t bad. Makes sense for Mavs too cause I think Knight is young enough that Rick Carslie can salvage him and maybe turn him into Jason Terry 2.0 or something.