2019 season speculation including trade ideas

Post #941 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:35 am

Looking at the leaders, it's interesting to see the two leaders in fouls obviously, but also that if Book would have gotten his normal 7 assists or so he'd be near the top there (that's the one that starts with Brogdon). Also interesting that he rates near Pascal Siakam in in several categories, and I think Siakam is a beast. Oh, and in points he is at 91, #11....that's why I didn't get the top titles because I was trying to fit that but I guess my screen shot didn't get it.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2020_leaders.html

Blonde · Post #942 » by **Blonde** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:21 am

Rubio has been pleasantly competent but his shooting through the first week of the season has been historically bad. He needs to cut the mid range out of his game entirely.

King4Day · Post #943 » by **King4Day** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:51 pm

How do you all think Josh Jackson will be received when he returns (assuming he's called up by the Griz)?

I don't think he did anything wrong to warrant boos. It's all really on McDonough for drafting him (which I supported).
I certainly don't think he deserves a standing ovation or anything like that, but I think he should get some light applause.

MathiasPW · Post #944 » by **MathiasPW** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:18 pm

DarkHawk wrote:How do you all think Josh Jackson will be received when he returns (assuming he's called up by the Griz)?

I don't think he did anything wrong to warrant boos. It's all really on McDonough for drafting him (which I supported).
I certainly don't think he deserves a standing ovation or anything like that, but I think he should get some light applause.

Oh, but he did do something wrong.

Bad play can be tolerated. Lack of work ethic demands a kinder heart

Jorgeglez7 · Post #945 » by **Jorgeglez7** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:21 pm

Why everybody so mad about JJ? I watched some of his games mainly last season and I don't think he was that bad. Assuming you know much more from him than I do, can you please explain me why?

Saberestar · Post #946 » by **Saberestar** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:28 pm

DarkHawk wrote:How do you all think Josh Jackson will be received when he returns (assuming he's called up by the Griz)?

I don't think he did anything wrong to warrant boos. It's all really on McDonough for drafting him (which I supported).
I certainly don't think he deserves a standing ovation or anything like that, but I think he should get some light applause.

The truth is that he did.

He was throwing up on the court during a training after new year's eve and he wasn't allowed to play in the next game, he was clearly drunk. And that is just an example...there are more and more things that he did bad during his time with the Suns.

Post #947 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:55 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:Looking like we dodged a bullet by not getting Rozier. He's been pretty inefficient for Charlotte.

I don't believe the Suns were ever interested in Rozier. That was all to drive up his interest in FA. He didn't tick any of the boxes Jones was looking at.

I do...too much smoke where there is fire.

I do like Jones, and you have to credit him for the Monty hire. I will say that I think Monty deserves far more credit for what we've done. I do still feel like we could have utilized our assets better in a number of ways, though can't really argue with the results so far so I'm fine with it.

Those 2nd round picks dumped to get rid of Warren, no big deal, but I still feel like we could have gotten more, but ultimately probably not much more.

Then Iike the short Oubre contract to motivate him to stay focused and prove himself.

I like the Jerome trade. While I liked Holmes, and we could certainly use him now, Baynes has been solid, and that Bucks pick was likely not going to be worth much.

I like the Saric trade but really wish we took Clarke or Washington there...we could use them for PF defense and PF for the future. Both playing really well and could be PF of the future.

But all in all, it was far better than our last few summers and we didn't break the bank on a bad contract....Rubio kind of neutral contract wise but we obviously needed a PG desperately.

Post #948 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:57 pm

DarkHawk wrote:How do you all think Josh Jackson will be received when he returns (assuming he's called up by the Griz)?

I don't think he did anything wrong to warrant boos. It's all really on McDonough for drafting him (which I supported).
I certainly don't think he deserves a standing ovation or anything like that, but I think he should get some light applause.

I don't think he will be called up. No reason to...they declined the option...and have decent depth and need to develop the guys they do have. They will probably try to trade him and someone will probably give him a chance given his high school hype. Maybe someone like the Warriors who have a good system, or even the Spurs who can't stick with Rudy Gay forever, and also have a good system. Or a rebuilding team.

Post #949 » by **Qwigglez** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:44 pm

Jackson won’t play. I could definitely see the Spurs have an interest in him.

grumpysaddle · Post #950 » by **grumpysaddle** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 5:06 pm

Blonde wrote:Rubio has been pleasantly competent but his shooting through the first week of the season has been historically bad. He needs to cut the mid range out of his game entirely.

Mid-range is his bread and butter as far as shooting goes though. I'd rather he take mid-range shots than 3s at this point. What he really needs to do is track down Warren's shooting coach from last season and spend all his free time working on that 3 point shot. If he can get it up to league average, it opens things up tremendously.

Blonde · Post #951 » by **Blonde** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:08 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:
Blonde wrote:Rubio has been pleasantly competent but his shooting through the first week of the season has been historically bad. He needs to cut the mid range out of his game entirely.

Mid-range is his bread and butter as far as shooting goes though. I'd rather he take mid-range shots than 3s at this point. What he really needs to do is track down Warren's shooting coach from last season and spend all his free time working on that 3 point shot. If he can get it up to league average, it opens things up tremendously.

I would hesitate to say that shooting anywhere on the court is Rubio’s bread and butter. If anything he should just be driving in the paint and dishing out if he’s contested. In the 3 games he’s played in he’s shot below 20% outside of 3 feet. That number will go up, but he’ll likely never be even an average shooter from any distance over the span of a season (or post-season).

grumpysaddle · Post #952 » by **grumpysaddle** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:19 pm

Blonde wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:
Blonde wrote:Rubio has been pleasantly competent but his shooting through the first week of the season has been historically bad. He needs to cut the mid range out of his game entirely.

Mid-range is his bread and butter as far as shooting goes though. I'd rather he take mid-range shots than 3s at this point. What he really needs to do is track down Warren's shooting coach from last season and spend all his free time working on that 3 point shot. If he can get it up to league average, it opens things up tremendously.

I would hesitate to say that shooting anywhere on the court is Rubio’s bread and butter. If anything he should just be driving in the paint and dishing out if he’s contested. In the 3 games he’s played in he’s shot below 20% outside of 3 feet. That number will go up, but he’ll likely never be even an average shooter from any distance over the span of a season (or post-season).

He's gotta take some shots or the lane won't be there for him to drive into the paint.

Jesus_H_Macy · Post #953 » by **Jesus_H_Macy** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:12 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:
Blonde wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:Mid-range is his bread and butter as far as shooting goes though. I'd rather he take mid-range shots than 3s at this point. What he really needs to do is track down Warren's shooting coach from last season and spend all his free time working on that 3 point shot. If he can get it up to league average, it opens things up tremendously.

I would hesitate to say that shooting anywhere on the court is Rubio’s bread and butter. If anything he should just be driving in the paint and dishing out if he’s contested. In the 3 games he’s played in he’s shot below 20% outside of 3 feet. That number will go up, but he’ll likely never be even an average shooter from any distance over the span of a season (or post-season).

He's gotta take some shots or the lane won't be there for him to drive into the paint.

His shot is BAD though...really bad.... I suppose it's early so maybe he's in a funk or something, but his general form looks really off, like he's flicking the ball, and it doesn't look like he has any off the dribble shot whatsoever. It looks like he could hit some set 3pt corner shots but not much else. His passing and defense have been excellent and he's good at getting to the rim (although could stand to improve his finishing) so I think we can probably get away with his busted shot, but I have yet to see a team we've played so far just dare him to shoot and I'm worried what will happen when we play a smart coach like Pop or Carlisle that will 100% try that out. Also a bit concerned about how him and Ayton will mesh if Ayton doesn't add the 3pt shot this year...with Baynes hitting 3s we've basically had four 3pt shooters around him at all times, but if Ayton isn't a 3pt threat we'll only have three shooters in the starting lineup. However, I'm excited to see if Rubio and Ayton can get the pick n roll going because if they can it won't matter so much that neither of them is a 3pt threat.

Post #954 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:27 pm

Jorgeglez7 wrote:Why everybody so mad about JJ? I watched some of his games mainly last season and I don't think he was that bad. Assuming you know much more from him than I do, can you please explain me why?

He plays with very low basketball IQ, he was extremely inefficient, he had the lowest Value over Replacement Player (VORP) on the team last season (2nd worst in his rookie season) and that's without mentioning his off-court issues.

You probably didn't need to watch more than a few of his games to get an idea of the kind of player he is. But if you did, you would realise quite quickly how bad of a player he is despite all that talent.

jcsunsfan · Post #955 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 10:33 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
Jorgeglez7 wrote:Why everybody so mad about JJ? I watched some of his games mainly last season and I don't think he was that bad. Assuming you know much more from him than I do, can you please explain me why?

He plays with very low basketball IQ, he was extremely inefficient, he had the lowest Value over Replacement Player (VORP) on the team last season (2nd worst in his rookie season) and that's without mentioning his off-court issues.

You probably didn't need to watch more than a few of his games to get an idea of the kind of player he is. But if you did, you would realise quite quickly how bad of a player he is despite all that talent.

He was so bad that had he not played, we would have had 6-9 more wins. His turnovers early in the year were horrible.

Post #956 » by **ATTL** » Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:27 pm

I expected so much more from Josh. Kelly is kind of doing what i expected from Josh so I'm not as upset as i otherwise would be.

sunsbum · Post #957 » by **sunsbum** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:39 am

Watch on YouTube

Post #958 » by **Qwigglez** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:55 am

ATTL wrote:I expected so much more from Josh. Kelly is kind of doing what i expected from Josh so I'm not as upset as i otherwise would be.

I really tried to like Josh Jackson from the start. Had to hit the “I believe” button. Didn’t like his skill set, didn’t think he would translate to the NBA at all, his wingspan is small and his poor shot mechanics really sealed the deal. Again, was hoping he’d turned into a great piece for us but that didn’t work out. Glad he’s gone, wish him success but I think he blew his opportunity. Someone might take another chance at him if he dedicates this summer to working on his shot.
Kelly is really reminding me of a new age Marion! Really hoping Bridges can turn into A solid 3&D player.

DRK · Post #959 » by **DRK** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:11 pm

I dont know how Cam Johnson was rated so low on the draft day.
His jumpshot off the catch is Klay-esque. Beautiful form and such a quick release.

What has impressed me the most is versatility on offence. Hes much more than just a shooter.(sound familiar?) He moves really well off the ball, and times his cuts well. Also seen him initiate the offence a couple of times as well.

Im very happy with the pick.

Jorgeglez7 · Post #960 » by **Jorgeglez7** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 1:15 pm

DRK wrote:I dont know how Cam Johnson was rated so low on the draft day.
His jumpshot off the catch is Klay-esque. Beautiful form and such a quick release.

What has impressed me the most is versatility on offence. Hes much more than just a shooter.(sound familiar?) He moves really well off the ball, and times his cuts well. Also seen him initiate the offence a couple of times as well.

Im very happy with the pick.

I agree. I guess it was because of his age. In the top 10 of the draft you usually go for future stars not for role players. If you see a talented player like Cam but being his ceiling so close you might not be using your pick to get a player who won't be core in your rebuilding proccess. In our case, it was a perfect fit.

Will Booker make the all-star team this year?