Official Suns Free Agent/Trade/Transaction Thread

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sanders, Ersan, Udoh and Ridnour for Okafor Len, Fry and a first rounder or two works in the trade checker. Now I'm not sure either team would do it. For the Bucks it would be a total tank rebuild move but would leave a very clean slate for the new GM they should hire this offseason. I'm not sure the suns would be comfortable taking on that much salary but could be a very good defensive team with Larry and ersan could get a ton of good looks with Bledsoe and Goran driving to the hoop.

[bwgood77]

Neither the Wolves or Love will wait as long as the Suns did with Amare.

Very well. But any GM worth their salt on the receiving end will know that the Lakers, Heat, Knicks, and other big markets teams will be making a run at Love in 18 months. Smaller markets teams can't afford to send everything for what amounts to a one-year rental. The only way it works is 18 months from now the Wolves work a sign and trade for assets. The Lakers and Knicks have no assets to send to you. The Heat don't need Love right now. I think the Wolves are between a rock and hard place and will have to settle or risk losing Love in free agency.

The Warriors and Rockets are both teams that would love Love. The Warriors could offer significant pieces to the Wolves and would have no worries about resigning Love. I would rather lose Love for nothing than trade him for pieces that keep us on the treadmill.

Yeah, I'm sure you could get Barnes and Lee for Love and Shved easily. If I was Minny, I'd prefer Thompson, and you'd probably be able to get that instead of Barnes, though then other pieces might have to be involved, like Martin.

[Mattya]

Very well. But any GM worth their salt on the receiving end will know that the Lakers, Heat, Knicks, and other big markets teams will be making a run at Love in 18 months. Smaller markets teams can't afford to send everything for what amounts to a one-year rental. The only way it works is 18 months from now the Wolves work a sign and trade for assets. The Lakers and Knicks have no assets to send to you. The Heat don't need Love right now. I think the Wolves are between a rock and hard place and will have to settle or risk losing Love in free agency.

The Warriors and Rockets are both teams that would love Love. The Warriors could offer significant pieces to the Wolves and would have no worries about resigning Love. I would rather lose Love for nothing than trade him for pieces that keep us on the treadmill.

Yeah, I'm sure you could get Barnes and Lee for Love and Shved easily. If I was Minny, I'd prefer Thompson, and you'd probably be able to get that instead of Barnes, though then other pieces might have to be involved, like Martin.

Yea I would love to get Klay or Barnes.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd be cool with trading for Barnes. Dudes talented and is a 3/4 tweener in a good way. I just don't think theirs a deal that works for both teams without a third team involved.


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[carey]

Question for you guys. Would you swap Okafor for Danny Granger? Both are expiring and Granger makes roughly half a Million less than Okafor.

I think the Pacers might do it just to get rid of "the Granger problem," which if you follow the Pacers at all you'd know is a legitimate worry of theirs. The idea that Okafor could possibly come back in time for the playoffs and contribute just might be enough for them to do it.

I know he hasn't played much, but the risk here is minimal for the Suns. *If* he really is healthy and if he can return to prior form sometime before the All-Star break, then he could be a legit weapon for us. I love Tucker. He plays like a grown ass man. However, if you put the All-Star level Granger on this team we could be seriously dangerous. The kind of team no one wants to face like the Warriors in 2007 when they barely made the playoffs (42-40) and upset the Mavericks in the 1st round.

I'll say this again so you don't get it twisted. I have no idea what Granger will be like when he comes back. He may not be any good at all, but he's only 30 and has only played 5 games in the last 2 years. I think it's a risk worth taking. If he's healthy a Bledsoe-Dragic-Granger-Frye-Plumlee lineup with a bench mob of Goodwin-Green-Tucker-Marcus-Markieff could be a legit thorn in someone's side this Spring.

[carey]

Yea I would love to get Klay or Barnes.

I don't see GS ever giving up Klay. I don't think Houston could put together a better package than us. The Morris brothers, Alex Len, and 3 first round picks is better than anything Houston could do. However, Minnesota, like us, probably is unsure if this Markieff is here to stay or not. Alex's rookie deal runs the length of big Pek's current contract. Then you have 3 first round picks, 2 of which are ours, one of which (this year's) would be unprotected. That's quite a big package for a guy that could walk for nothing in 18 months. I only see GSW as our real competition for Love.

[LukasBMW]

Question for you guys. Would you swap Okafor for Danny Granger? Both are expiring and Granger makes roughly half a Million less than Okafor.

I think the Pacers might do it just to get rid of "the Granger problem," which if you follow the Pacers at all you'd know is a legitimate worry of theirs. The idea that Okafor could possibly come back in time for the playoffs and contribute just might be enough for them to do it.

I know he hasn't played much, but the risk here is minimal for the Suns. *If* he really is healthy and if he can return to prior form sometime before the All-Star break, then he could be a legit weapon for us. I love Tucker. He plays like a grown ass man. However, if you put the All-Star level Granger on this team we could be seriously dangerous. The kind of team no one wants to face like the Warriors in 2007 when they barely made the playoffs (42-40) and upset the Mavericks in the 1st round.

I'll say this again so you don't get it twisted. I have no idea what Granger will be like when he comes back. He may not be any good at all, but he's only 30 and has only played 5 games in the last 2 years. I think it's a risk worth taking. If he's healthy a Bledsoe-Dragic-Granger-Frye-Plumlee lineup with a bench mob of Goodwin-Green-Tucker-Marcus-Markieff could be a legit thorn in someone's side this Spring.

This isn't a "low risk/high reward" situation. It's a "no risk" situation.

I'd do it in a heartbeat. If Granger is going to have a career again, it would be in a place like Phoenix with our awesome medical staff.

[LukasBMW]

This has me salivating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts7_TreZC5M

Monroe looks like Amare with a post up game.


If you look at his game log, his stats are depressed. It looks like he is not getting consistent minutes or consistent touches. If we gave him 35 minutes each night. I bet you he could be 22/11 for us at the 5.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4722/gamelog/

[thamadkant]

Sanders, Ersan, Udoh and Ridnour for Okafor Len, Fry and a first rounder or two works in the trade checker. Now I'm not sure either team would do it. For the Bucks it would be a total tank rebuild move but would leave a very clean slate for the new GM they should hire this offseason. I'm not sure the suns would be comfortable taking on that much salary but could be a very good defensive team with Larry and ersan could get a ton of good looks with Bledsoe and Goran driving to the hoop.

I was about to post something like this.


I've been posting a lot of trade offers for Henson in the past because I do like his potential.
But now that he has played well with minutes, Bucks will most likely rather trade Sanders.



Your trade proposal was almost exactly what I was going to post.



Now just need to get Hayward somehow.


C: Plumlee
PF: Sanders
SF: Hayward
SG: Dragic
PG: Bledsoe

[Kerrsed]

Sanders, Ersan, Udoh and Ridnour for Okafor Len, Fry and a first rounder or two works in the trade checker. Now I'm not sure either team would do it. For the Bucks it would be a total tank rebuild move but would leave a very clean slate for the new GM they should hire this offseason. I'm not sure the suns would be comfortable taking on that much salary but could be a very good defensive team with Larry and ersan could get a ton of good looks with Bledsoe and Goran driving to the hoop.

I was about to post something like this.


I've been posting a lot of trade offers for Henson in the past because I do like his potential.
But now that he has played well with minutes, Bucks will most likely rather trade Sanders.



Your trade proposal was almost exactly what I was going to post.



Now just need to get Hayward somehow.


C: Plumlee
PF: Sanders
SF: Hayward
SG: Dragic
PG: Bledsoe

An easier way would to get involved in a HOU/MIL 3 way.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kjjpn73

HOU gets: Frye/Ilyasova
MIL gets: Asik/Jones
PHX gets: Sanders

The Houston Rockets are shopping Omer Asik and several teams are quite interested in acquiring one of the league’s elite defensive centers. With Sanders’ future in Milwaukee uncertain, some NBA officials believe Asik would be a good fit for the Bucks. What’s more, the Rockets have had more than a passing interest in Ilyasova, an outstanding perimeter shooter who would nicely complement Rockets center Dwight Howard. Racine Journal-Times - See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.2abVQzgf.dpuf

With Henson breaking out this season in the PF/C role Milwaukee is making Sanders available. As the article mentioned, Asik would be a great fit for the Bucks. Houston will not want Sanders, but would rather have a stretch 4. In this trade they get two of them (Frye & Ilyasova). Frye is the perfect Stretch 4 for them (better than Ily) as he can slide over to C when Howards on the bench. Milwaukee gets Asik to be their new starting C and a decent backup PF for Henson in Jones. Suns take Sanders off of their hands ($11M a season staring next season until 2018).

HOU: Beverley/Harden/Parsons/Frye/Howard
MIL: Knight/Mayo/Middleton/Henson/Asik
PHX: Bledsoe/Dragic/Tucker/Morris/Sanders

[Baddy Chuck]

An easier way would to get involved in a HOU/MIL 3 way.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kjjpn73

HOU gets: Frye/Ilyasova
MIL gets: Asik/Jones
PHX gets: Sanders

Len and/or picks would be the main target, that trade is pretty pointless. Downgrade from Sanders to Asik just to get a backup PF.

[JMac1]

Im not up for giving up picks and Len unless it involves Love. I really dont think Sanders is a game changer same with Monroe. You guys need to think about guys who fit well within our offense. I'd prefer to do nothing and go after love and Gordon in the offseason. Len is untapped right now and with the emergence of Miles Len is just bonus. What if Len becomes a beast in 3 years? No need to throw away him and future players for one way Sanders!

[Mattya]

Yea I would love to get Klay or Barnes.

I don't see GS ever giving up Klay. I don't think Houston could put together a better package than us. The Morris brothers, Alex Len, and 3 first round picks is better than anything Houston could do. However, Minnesota, like us, probably is unsure if this Markieff is here to stay or not. Alex's rookie deal runs the length of big Pek's current contract. Then you have 3 first round picks, 2 of which are ours, one of which (this year's) would be unprotected. That's quite a big package for a guy that could walk for nothing in 18 months. I only see GSW as our real competition for Love.

And I would still rather have Barnes and Lee. Houston won't bid since they will most likely try to sign him. Like I said you can't just say first round picks. None of the picks you are offering look all that enticing. Mid to late firsts, protected firsts, and future firsts don't do much for team trying to trade their star player. If you aren't going to trade us any of your core players, what's the point for us? Especially when we can get that from another team. You may not want to give up that much, but the Bulls, Warriors, and Thunder all would. Especially considering Love has connections with those teams.

[rsavaj]

Question for you guys. Would you swap Okafor for Danny Granger? Both are expiring and Granger makes roughly half a Million less than Okafor.

I think the Pacers might do it just to get rid of "the Granger problem," which if you follow the Pacers at all you'd know is a legitimate worry of theirs. The idea that Okafor could possibly come back in time for the playoffs and contribute just might be enough for them to do it.

I know he hasn't played much, but the risk here is minimal for the Suns. *If* he really is healthy and if he can return to prior form sometime before the All-Star break, then he could be a legit weapon for us. I love Tucker. He plays like a grown ass man. However, if you put the All-Star level Granger on this team we could be seriously dangerous. The kind of team no one wants to face like the Warriors in 2007 when they barely made the playoffs (42-40) and upset the Mavericks in the 1st round.

I'll say this again so you don't get it twisted. I have no idea what Granger will be like when he comes back. He may not be any good at all, but he's only 30 and has only played 5 games in the last 2 years. I think it's a risk worth taking. If he's healthy a Bledsoe-Dragic-Granger-Frye-Plumlee lineup with a bench mob of Goodwin-Green-Tucker-Marcus-Markieff could be a legit thorn in someone's side this Spring.

I would prefer a healthy Okafor over Granger considering how our turrible paint defense and below average rebounding. If we could get a functional Granger for an unhealthy Okafor, I'd do it for sure, but Indy wouldn't. So...not too sure how to get a deal done there.

[Ryu]

Guys, what`s the point in those Sanders trades when we already have almost the same production from Plumlee?

Yeah, Sanders is a premium shotblocker but Plums is a pretty good one also, plays solid defense while he is much better offensive player. Not to mention he is paid 1 mil for the next 2 years as opposed to Sanders` 11 mil per year.

There is no need in Sanders here, especially if we need to give picks.

I am happy McD has Love and Hayward on his mind, as RayRay said. Those are players who can further advance our team.

[bigfoot]

Yea I would love to get Klay or Barnes.

I don't see GS ever giving up Klay. I don't think Houston could put together a better package than us. The Morris brothers, Alex Len, and 3 first round picks is better than anything Houston could do. However, Minnesota, like us, probably is unsure if this Markieff is here to stay or not. Alex's rookie deal runs the length of big Pek's current contract. Then you have 3 first round picks, 2 of which are ours, one of which (this year's) would be unprotected. That's quite a big package for a guy that could walk for nothing in 18 months. I only see GSW as our real competition for Love.

And I would still rather have Barnes and Lee. Houston won't bid since they will most likely try to sign him. Like I said you can't just say first round picks. None of the picks you are offering look all that enticing. Mid to late firsts, protected firsts, and future firsts don't do much for team trying to trade their star player. If you aren't going to trade us any of your core players, what's the point for us? Especially when we can get that from another team. You may not want to give up that much, but the Bulls, Warriors, and Thunder all would. Especially considering Love has connections with those teams.

We got less for Larry Nance when we traded him, Larry Sanders, and a 1st round pick to Cleveland for Kevin Johnson, Tyron Corbin, Mark West, a 1st round draft pick, and two second round picks. None of three players we received were viewed as major pieces on the Cleveland team. They were all bench players averaging about 20 minutes per game. Lakers got screwed last year by Howard and teams have learned their lessons!!! We are not breaking the bank for "your" superstar who is going to be a possible one year rental.

[carey]

I understand the guy from Minnesota's perspective, but just like it was for us with Amare, the longer you wait the worse those packages get. People know it's more than likely a rental with a chance of resigning him very small. If you think you can pull Blake Griffin or something better from Chicago (you said core pieces, but idk who you mean cause you won't get Rose or Noah) you should probably get it done.

[Gorilla Warfare]

We should only be looking at LMA, Hayward and Love. With how well the Blazers have been playing this year it would be tough to snag LMA, but I can definitely see Love and Hayward leaving. If we could figure out a way to keep the core players of our team and somehow acquire Love and Hayward I wouldn't mind not having any draft picks this year.

Bledsoe/Ish
Dragic/Green
Hayward/Marcus
Love/Markieff
Plumlee/Len

Might be able to pull off Archie/Tucker/pick for Hayward, then something along the lines of Frye/multiple picks/filler for Love.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Way too many people willing to let go of Len at a low price. ****, kid hasn't even played yet. I agree, he's a great asset, and with the emergence of Plumlee and the fact that we're competitive so soon, it might be worth it to trade him - if it's for Love. Basically no one else being mentioned is worth giving up on the guy McD thought warranted the #1 pick.

Wrt the Minny rep - he's a little strange. It seems he'd be okay rebuilding with pieces like Jimmy Butler and David Lee and whatnot, which is pretty ridiculous. You can't rebuild with big contracts, older players, etc. Thompson and the #1 isn't terrible. But if you're going to rebuild you want cap space and picks. And I think Minny's closer to that point than he'd like to admit.

I think the Morrii are as or perhaps more valuable than Thompson - they're efficient contributors on a top-10 team, after all. And their offensive efficiency is pretty remarkable. They're limited defensively, but they're solid contributors for sure. Len is at least a very intriguing prospect, and I wouldn't trade him for Barnes or Thompson or Waiters at this point (the feet could be a long-term problem, or it could be a small thing before he busts out). And that Lakers pick is real value. Len + LA Pick + Morrii + 2 1st rounders is a helluva haul, IMO, and I would do everything in my power as GM to get Love at a lower price.

BTW - all this talk of Monroe and Sanders, etc. - this doesn't make sense. Plumlee is limited to about 8 feet, and our offense really clicks in large part because just about everyone else spreads the floor, allowing our guards to get inside. Sanders especially would straight up ruin that: Frye is much better for our system. is everyone here so fantasy basketball-minded that they can't see this?

... Which is why Love is the clear and perfect option. He does what Frye does, and much more. This year, if we lost the Morrii and Len and the Laker pick, we'd really be hurting for depth on our front line. I'd do everything possible to keep one of Len, Marc, or Kieff to bolster that line. It would make the most sense for both teams for them to take Len as part of any rebuild. I'd love to keep both Morrii, even if they share an uncomfortable number of similarities with Love.

[NapoleonII]

I agree with ^^

I'm sure our GM is rattling his head trying to come up with ways to keep the Morris bros together, provide enough spacing, package our picks AND make a move on Love.


Just gotta be patient.