2014 Official FA Thread

[BobbieL]

I hope the Suns use their cap space before signing Eric Bledsoe. If not, the Suns will have to rely on internal team development to improve the team, as our cap space would be crippled afterwards. I could also see Frye opting out to negotiate a longer-term contract with us. Possibly, 4 years $18mil, with the final year being a player option. If this were to happen, we'd be able to acquire two players worth about 9-10mil a year (Pau and Deng).

I don't think its worth a new thread so maybe somebody can answer - like JDLAW is good with the cap. Now the Suns are projected to be under the cap with Okafor off plus they were under when they traded Butler. So, I know since they are under, they cannot use their MLE - but can the Suns go OVER the cap.

Meaning - they get far enough under; Frye opts out; they cap hold Bledsoe - sign Melo and than sign Bledsoe - so they might go over - can they do that if they go in the "right order". Or if they were to trade for Love and take back a contract - that might fit them under the cap but giving Blesoe 12m puts them over the cap but with Bird Rights - I think that is okay

You can go over the cap when signing a player with bird rights (IE: Sign Melo, then sign Bledsoe using Bird Rights putting the team over the cap, or trading for Love and then signing Bledsoe).

They cannot sign Bledsoe first, then go over the cap trading or signing a player from free agency. Teams are usually pretty good and smart about this tactic i'd assume and communicate with said player to hold off as long as possible if the chances of landing a FA or trade is in the picture. Bledsoe wouldn't mind it as long as he's getting paid!

That is what I thought. Thanks for that. I thought that if they did them in the right order - they could go over the cap. And like somebody said about the Lakers - if they tried to do that with Gasol - his cap hold is double Bledsoe - they wouldn't be able to "hold him"; sign say Melo and then get Pau back in the fold. Unless Melo wants a few million.

So, good to know./ And I am sure McD already has his plan of how things will go either via trade or free agency

[spanishninja]

Josh McBob is opting out. Might be a low-cost alternative to Love

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cho-hornet ... --nba.html

[PhxSunsFan1234]

Josh McBob is opting out. Might be a low-cost alternative to Love

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cho-hornet ... --nba.html

How on earth are Kevin Love and Josh McRoberts comparable whatsoever lol?

[JDLAW]

I hope the Suns use their cap space before signing Eric Bledsoe. If not, the Suns will have to rely on internal team development to improve the team, as our cap space would be crippled afterwards. I could also see Frye opting out to negotiate a longer-term contract with us. Possibly, 4 years $18mil, with the final year being a player option. If this were to happen, we'd be able to acquire two players worth about 9-10mil a year (Pau and Deng).

I don't think its worth a new thread so maybe somebody can answer - like JDLAW is good with the cap. Now the Suns are projected to be under the cap with Okafor off plus they were under when they traded Butler. So, I know since they are under, they cannot use their MLE - but can the Suns go OVER the cap.

Meaning - they get far enough under; Frye opts out; they cap hold Bledsoe - sign Melo and than sign Bledsoe - so they might go over - can they do that if they go in the "right order". Or if they were to trade for Love and take back a contract - that might fit them under the cap but giving Blesoe 12m puts them over the cap but with Bird Rights - I think that is okay

I think you have it pretty close. The Suns can go over the cap to sign their own free agents and if they do the order right, they can sign a major free agent or a couple of lesser ones and then sign their own free agents and go over the cap. Because they start under the cap, they do not have exceptions like the MLE.

So hypothetically if all of the moon and stars align perfectly, Frye announces that he is opting out, his cap hold goes to $9.6M, but if he has a deal in place and signs it on the first day executions are permitted, his cap number would drop. By my estimation, the Suns are going to have about $17M available under the cap if Frye opts in and Bledsoe does not show up on day one with a signed offer sheet. If Frye does what he could do that number could go up an additional $2-3M if he does a longer term deal at lower $$. If the Suns move one of the 1st round picks for a future one the cap hold is released and the number could jump about $1-1.5M.

It will all be very fluid, but if done in the right order, the Suns could safely offer a free agent like Melo or LBJ a contract that starts at about $19M and then sign Blesdoe to a max deal and still be under the lux tax for next year.

Keep in mind though that the players and their agents are also aware of the large increase in the cap number and the lux tax number and are going to hold their positions on taking less.

[spanishninja]

Josh McBob is opting out. Might be a low-cost alternative to Love

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cho-hornet ... --nba.html

How on earth are Kevin Love and Josh McRoberts comparable whatsoever lol?

McBob's passing and spacing are underrated. And I did say low-cost version.

[lilfishi22]

Josh McBob is opting out. Might be a low-cost alternative to Love

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cho-hornet ... --nba.html

How on earth are Kevin Love and Josh McRoberts comparable whatsoever lol?

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[Jdiddy701]

Josh McRoberts lol


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[asudevil]

Josh McBob is opting out. Might be a low-cost alternative to Love

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cho-hornet ... --nba.html

How on earth are Kevin Love and Josh McRoberts comparable whatsoever lol?

McBob's passing and spacing are underrated. And I did say low-cost version.

Kinda like Ish is a low-cost version of Rondo?

Seriously? He's gone through 4 teams in 4 years. He's not a low cost version of anyone. He is what he is, a journeyman bench guy

[Krush32]

I like mcroberts. Hes aggresive and can pass the ball better than most big men. He might get a decent contract offer this offseason I think. His playoff performance was pretty good.

[Kerrsed]

We came up short last season due to us not having a true go to guy. A real star. We need to put all these damn role players out of the way until we get that star. I mean we already have a ton of good role players, why are we discussing more? We need a damn star first and foremost! Maybe after we obtain one then we can start to entertain the idea of who we need to get to surround our star and who we need to get to replace some of our lost players. The star needs to come first.

SMDH @ all this McBob talk.

[Kyler Murray]

McBob is great for the right system. Put him on the Suns in case Frye opts out, and you have the same 3pt shooting from the 4, plus a great fascilitator so that we don't rely only on our pg duo. IMO he'd be a great pickup (depends on the money tho)

[Qwigglez]

We came up short last season due to us not having a true go to guy. A real star. We need to put all these damn role players out of the way until we get that star. I mean we already have a ton of good role players, why are we discussing more? We need a damn star first and foremost! Maybe after we obtain one then we can start to entertain the idea of who we need to get to surround our star and who we need to get to replace some of our lost players. The star needs to come first.

SMDH @ all this McBob talk.

Deng and Pau!

I'm not gonna even consider McBob, because he's such garbage, I hope the Suns don't even consider him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I gag every time someone suggests Pau to PHX.

[TASTIC]

I gag every time someone suggests Pau to PHX.

Why the hate for Pau? I get the Lakers hate and it would take me a bit to get past that, but the dude can still play and would be a GREAT addition for the right price...We want a rebounder, a low post scorer, a good passer and someone who can get to the line and knock them down - he ticks ALL those boxes. He can still block the odd shot and is a great locker-room guy, unless he prices his way out of our range there's no reason to not look at him.

The real issue is the money - I mean I think a good 'deal' from our point of view is 3yr $30m, but he's probably going to want - and likely get - something like 3yr $40m or someone may even offer 4yr $50 - both of which are too much.

A lot depends on Bledsoe and how much he goes for and obviously whether Frye opts in and what Tucker wants.

He's not my first option, probably not in my top 3 to be honest - but he IS attainable and he may want to come here.

[spanishninja]

McBob is great for the right system. Put him on the Suns in case Frye opts out, and you have the same 3pt shooting from the 4, plus a great fascilitator so that we don't rely only on our pg duo. IMO he'd be a great pickup (depends on the money tho)

my thoughts exactly. imagine Frye with slightly worse outside shooting but won't be clueless without the ball. His per-36 averages were 10/5/5, which are at least comparable to Frye's 14/6.5/1.5 because we could use the playmaking more than the scoring. If he can be had for 3-4mil a year we can easily let Frye go and save a ton of money.

[PhxSunsFan1234]

McBob is great for the right system. Put him on the Suns in case Frye opts out, and you have the same 3pt shooting from the 4, plus a great fascilitator so that we don't rely only on our pg duo. IMO he'd be a great pickup (depends on the money tho)

my thoughts exactly. imagine Frye with slightly worse outside shooting but won't be clueless without the ball. His per-36 averages were 10/5/5, which are at least comparable to Frye's 14/6.5/1.5 because we could use the playmaking more than the scoring. If he can be had for 3-4mil a year we can easily let Frye go and save a ton of money.

Doesn't Frye have a player option? How would the Suns easily let him go when it's all up to Frye?

[bigfoot]

We came up short last season due to us not having a true go to guy. A real star. We need to put all these damn role players out of the way until we get that star. I mean we already have a ton of good role players, why are we discussing more? We need a damn star first and foremost! Maybe after we obtain one then we can start to entertain the idea of who we need to get to surround our star and who we need to get to replace some of our lost players. The star needs to come first.

SMDH @ all this McBob talk.

Agreed. We all heard McD say he wanted a star. The free agent thread needs to focus on the big stars out there that can be lured to Phoenix. Can't wait to see who opts out in the next week and a half.

Right now its Melo, Deng, and Gasol.

[phx#7]

McBob is great for the right system. Put him on the Suns in case Frye opts out, and you have the same 3pt shooting from the 4, plus a great fascilitator so that we don't rely only on our pg duo. IMO he'd be a great pickup (depends on the money tho)

my thoughts exactly. imagine Frye with slightly worse outside shooting but won't be clueless without the ball. His per-36 averages were 10/5/5, which are at least comparable to Frye's 14/6.5/1.5 because we could use the playmaking more than the scoring. If he can be had for 3-4mil a year we can easily let Frye go and save a ton of money.

Agreed McRoberts would be a great replacement if Frye opts out. I think his 3p% would be able to match Frye's in the Suns system, the Bobcats didn't have much spacing.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Pau and Deng are role players at this point in their careers.

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[lilfishi22]

My real gripe is with money. I've said this in the past but why on Earth are we debating whether to give Bledsoe a max deal or not when we're talking about Deng and/or Pau at $10m a piece?

Lock Bledsoe up and IF we still have money, then we can negotiate with Pau/Deng. But you don't throw these kinds of deals around until you've secured your core guys.