The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[jredsaz]

If we have to trade Bledsoe because he really does not want to play here, I want a player with similirar cualities. I want to maintain the 2 PG style, or at least, 2 ball handlers who can press the ball on defense and run fastbreaks too.
I am looking around the league and I have found some players that can be great replacements for Bledsoe....

Jrue Holliday, one year younger, bigger but less explosive and a very good defender too. $11M per year.
Reggie Jackson, one year younger, good size, he is entering his last year on rookie's contract. Can be an steal because he has potential to be even a better player than Bledsoe , just my opinion. Hard hard worker and healthy.
Kemba Walker, one year younger, smaller and worse defender. Great scorer, he is entering his last year on rookie's contract too.
Brandon Knight, one year younger too and in the same contract's situation than Kemba and Reggie. Bad court vision, but excellent going to the hole and in transition. Decent defender and progressing.

Some other real options out there?

The most likely candidate to replace Bledsoe as a player (not as an asset) is George Hill, IND. He has been stuck in the wrong system in Indiana. His defense is close to or equivalent to Bledsoe. Offensively he can produce 80% of Bledsoe's numbers in the Suns system.

What makes him most likely is a) the Pacers and Larry Bird are open to change following the Paul George injury and b) he posses the skill set needed to run a two point guard offense with his ability to play off the 1 and shoot the 3 at a high level.

Secondarily, he is locked up at $8 million for three years, a reasonable salary matched against the impending Dragic contract following any trade of Bledsoe (and I'm guessing you could pull Mahinmi in the deal, a shot blocker who can help to stabilize the front line).

This trade scenario is based on the belief that in a Bledsoe sign and trade the Suns cannot add an asset (player or pick or money) in order to supplement the offer. According the Larry Coon, in multi-team trades any one team must "touch" two teams in the transaction. Ipso facto (always wanted to use that), any S&T cannot be a three+ team deal. Please tell me that is wrong.

The trade is not great value in term of assets but nothing we get in this scenario will be.

P.S. IT is the perfect 6th man as a spark off the bench due to both his offensive skills and defensive deficiencies. Want to keep him there.

[carey]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

I heard that the police killed a man in Iceland for the first time ever (since 1944 basically). I'm sorry for your loss.

[Stix]

Sign me up for some Jrue Holiday please

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[Safety Pickle]

If we have to trade Bledsoe because he really does not want to play here, I want a player with similirar cualities. I want to maintain the 2 PG style, or at least, 2 ball handlers who can press the ball on defense and run fastbreaks too.
I am looking around the league and I have found some players that can be great replacements for Bledsoe....

Jrue Holliday, one year younger, bigger but less explosive and a very good defender too. $11M per year.
Reggie Jackson, one year younger, good size, he is entering his last year on rookie's contract. Can be an steal because he has potential to be even a better player than Bledsoe , just my opinion. Hard hard worker and healthy.
Kemba Walker, one year younger, smaller and worse defender. Great scorer, he is entering his last year on rookie's contract too.
Brandon Knight, one year younger too and in the same contract's situation than Kemba and Reggie. Bad court vision, but excellent going to the hole and in transition. Decent defender and progressing.

Some other real options out there?

The most likely candidate to replace Bledsoe as a player (not as an asset) is George Hill, IND. He has been stuck in the wrong system in Indiana. His defense is close to or equivalent to Bledsoe. Offensively he can produce 80% of Bledsoe's numbers in the Suns system.

What makes him most likely is a) the Pacers and Larry Bird are open to change following the Paul George injury and b) he posses the skill set needed to run a two point guard offense with his ability to play off the 1 and shoot the 3 at a high level.

Secondarily, he is locked up at $8 million for three years, a reasonable salary matched against the impending Dragic contract following any trade of Bledsoe (and I'm guessing you could pull Mahinmi in the deal, a shot blocker who can help to stabilize the front line).

This trade scenario is based on the belief that in a Bledsoe sign and trade the Suns cannot add an asset (player or pick or money) in order to supplement the offer. According the Larry Coon, in multi-team trades any one team must "touch" two teams in the transaction. Ipso facto (always wanted to use that), any S&T cannot be a three+ team deal. Please tell me that is wrong.

The trade is not great value in term of assets but nothing we get in this scenario will be.

P.S. IT is the perfect 6th man as a spark off the bench due to both his offensive skills and defensive deficiencies. Want to keep him there.

To me, Hill always seemed more like a 2 guard stuck playing point. I wouldn't necessarily be against getting him in return for Bledsoe, but I imagine a third team would need to be involved to send back some assets our way. A straight up 1 for 1 would be terrible value imo

[Saberestar]

I like George Hill too, but I think his age is a little high to consider him a replacement with the upside thatBledsoe or the other players that I mentioned have (all of them around 24 years old). But yes, Hill can be a better player next to Dagic.

Other option can be Avery Bradley. He is young, he is locked for the next 4 years at $8M per year and he is a terrific defender and a improved shooter. He has roots with McDonough.

[SunsFanSSOL]

If Bledsoe leaves I'd much rather just get a true SG instead of attempting to replicate the gimmicky two point guard lineup.

[jredsaz]

If Bledsoe leaves I'd much rather just get a true SG instead of attempting to replicate the gimmicky two point guard lineup.

There are two ways to maximize value: Either you are at the forefront of the prevailing change or you sell out in opposition. The "gimmicky two point guard lineup," is a manifestation of the prevailing trend of, for lack of a better term, the "smalling" of the Association that can be attributed to the emphasis placed on spacing and three point shooting.

Further, a classic 2 guard with a starting skill set is hard to find and will be even more difficult to acquire for the Suns considering the Bledsoe scenario.

[jredsaz]

If we have to trade Bledsoe because he really does not want to play here, I want a player with similirar cualities. I want to maintain the 2 PG style, or at least, 2 ball handlers who can press the ball on defense and run fastbreaks too.
I am looking around the league and I have found some players that can be great replacements for Bledsoe....

Jrue Holliday, one year younger, bigger but less explosive and a very good defender too. $11M per year.
Reggie Jackson, one year younger, good size, he is entering his last year on rookie's contract. Can be an steal because he has potential to be even a better player than Bledsoe , just my opinion. Hard hard worker and healthy.
Kemba Walker, one year younger, smaller and worse defender. Great scorer, he is entering his last year on rookie's contract too.
Brandon Knight, one year younger too and in the same contract's situation than Kemba and Reggie. Bad court vision, but excellent going to the hole and in transition. Decent defender and progressing.

Some other real options out there?

The most likely candidate to replace Bledsoe as a player (not as an asset) is George Hill, IND. He has been stuck in the wrong system in Indiana. His defense is close to or equivalent to Bledsoe. Offensively he can produce 80% of Bledsoe's numbers in the Suns system.

What makes him most likely is a) the Pacers and Larry Bird are open to change following the Paul George injury and b) he posses the skill set needed to run a two point guard offense with his ability to play off the 1 and shoot the 3 at a high level.

Secondarily, he is locked up at $8 million for three years, a reasonable salary matched against the impending Dragic contract following any trade of Bledsoe (and I'm guessing you could pull Mahinmi in the deal, a shot blocker who can help to stabilize the front line).

This trade scenario is based on the belief that in a Bledsoe sign and trade the Suns cannot add an asset (player or pick or money) in order to supplement the offer. According the Larry Coon, in multi-team trades any one team must "touch" two teams in the transaction. Ipso facto (always wanted to use that), any S&T cannot be a three+ team deal. Please tell me that is wrong.

The trade is not great value in term of assets but nothing we get in this scenario will be.

P.S. IT is the perfect 6th man as a spark off the bench due to both his offensive skills and defensive deficiencies. Want to keep him there.

To me, Hill always seemed more like a 2 guard stuck playing point. I wouldn't necessarily be against getting him in return for Bledsoe, but I imagine a third team would need to be involved to send back some assets our way. A straight up 1 for 1 would be terrible value imo

Again, is a third team an option in a Bledsoe S&T scenario? From what I have read it is not.

Bradley, hypothetically, is another good option but I believe there is a substantial trade restriction because he was recently resigned by the Celtics.

[RRyder823]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

Bledsoe, Plumlee, suns 1st - Sanders, Giannis

don´t know if bucks would do it or suns, all I know I would do it

Welcome to the boards my Nordic friend

That trade I certainly would consider even though I'm not convinced about Greek Freak yet. Not sure Bucks would do it though.

Bucks fan here. Just came to poke around checking if there was any word on Bledsoe but I'd have to say that trade would be a flat out no from the Bucks. There's NO way Giannis is getting moved this year. But if I was a Suns fan I'd love the trade idea. Don't think you'd be able to find better value then a Sanders/Giannis package but as a Bucks fan i'll simply say it would be a definitive no politely without going into further details.

That being said are you guys now lookin to move Bledsoe??? For a while most of you weren't and just wanted to hold your ground one way or another.... If that's the case what does a package of Knight, Henson and a top 10 protected 1st do for ya???? Eh just a shot in the dark

[lilfishi22]

If Bledsoe leaves I'd much rather just get a true SG instead of attempting to replicate the gimmicky two point guard lineup.

Yeah. It just happens that Bledsoe and Dragic had enough defense and offense together to offset their size disadvantage. I don't know if it would work as well if IT started with Dragic.

[lilfishi22]

Bucks fan here. Just came to poke around checking if there was any word on Bledsoe but I'd have to say that trade would be a flat out no from the Bucks. There's NO way Giannis is getting moved this year. But if I was a Suns fan I'd love the trade idea. Don't think you'd be able to find better value then a Sanders/Giannis package but as a Bucks fan i'll simply say it would be a definitive no politely without going into further details.

That being said are you guys now lookin to move Bledsoe??? For a while most of you weren't and just wanted to hold your ground one way or another.... If that's the case what does a package of Knight, Henson and a top 10 protected 1st do for ya???? Eh just a shot in the dark

Welcome humble Buckets fan.

I don't think we're looking to move Bledsoe. The thinking here is that there may be teams willing to pay more for Bledsoe than us but most of those teams are already over the cap so a S&T would have to be done. But S&T are normally pretty complicated since you need agreement from all three parties and when no one wants to be the one losing out, these talks tends to end pretty quickly. I don't believe we are actively shopping Bledsoe since that would drive his trade value down but we probably have casually fielded calls from teams interested just to see what we could potentially get for him.

I think one of our posters here have mentioned he would be happy with Knight/Henson/1st but I'd personally pass. I don't like Knight as a player and I don't think Henson has shown enough yet.

[sunsbum]

I dont know if Lin can be traded yet but I think he would be great next to dragic and would flourish in the suns system. I'm sure they aren't giving up randel but Lin intrigues me. (No I am not suggesting a straight lin/EB swap)

If we wanted Lin we would have traded for him 2 months ago and got a draft pick from the Rockets.

Umm why would we have done that when we were trying to lock up bledsoe? Obviously things have changed now. Not sure if troll.

[jredsaz]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

Bledsoe, Plumlee, suns 1st - Sanders, Giannis

don´t know if bucks would do it or suns, all I know I would do it

Welcome to the boards my Nordic friend

That trade I certainly would consider even though I'm not convinced about Greek Freak yet. Not sure Bucks would do it though.

Bucks fan here. Just came to poke around checking if there was any word on Bledsoe but I'd have to say that trade would be a flat out no from the Bucks. There's NO way Giannis is getting moved this year. But if I was a Suns fan I'd love the trade idea. Don't think you'd be able to find better value then a Sanders/Giannis package but as a Bucks fan i'll simply say it would be a definitive no politely without going into further details.

That being said are you guys now lookin to move Bledsoe??? For a while most of you weren't and just wanted to hold your ground one way or another.... If that's the case what does a package of Knight, Henson and a top 10 protected 1st do for ya???? Eh just a shot in the dark

I would consider it in relation to other trades that are current;y being offered. Not sure what they are but given the constraints of the Bledsoe scenario there is value there.

[blee732]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

Bledsoe, Plumlee, suns 1st - Sanders, Giannis

don´t know if bucks would do it or suns, all I know I would do it

Welcome to the boards my Nordic friend

That trade I certainly would consider even though I'm not convinced about Greek Freak yet. Not sure Bucks would do it though.

Bucks fan here. Just came to poke around checking if there was any word on Bledsoe but I'd have to say that trade would be a flat out no from the Bucks. There's NO way Giannis is getting moved this year. But if I was a Suns fan I'd love the trade idea. Don't think you'd be able to find better value then a Sanders/Giannis package but as a Bucks fan i'll simply say it would be a definitive no politely without going into further details.

That being said are you guys now lookin to move Bledsoe??? For a while most of you weren't and just wanted to hold your ground one way or another.... If that's the case what does a package of Knight, Henson and a top 10 protected 1st do for ya???? Eh just a shot in the dark

My opinion is that to even consider that deal the pick has to be unprotected and a 3rd team needs to be involved to take Knight in exchange for a quality PF (Suns would have to give up more than Bledsoe though). To be fair I haven't seen Knight play much but he's put up numbers on poor teams. If Giannis isn't included, I'm inclined to believe McDonough can find a better offer.

[Calvin Klein]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

Bledsoe, Plumlee, suns 1st - Sanders, Giannis

don´t know if bucks would do it or suns, all I know I would do it

Greetings from Argentina

Iceland is a place I hope I visit very soon. Welcome!

I believe giannis is pretty much untradeable for the bucks.

[gaspar]

I dont know if Lin can be traded yet but I think he would be great next to dragic and would flourish in the suns system. I'm sure they aren't giving up randel but Lin intrigues me. (No I am not suggesting a straight lin/EB swap)

If we wanted Lin we would have traded for him 2 months ago and got a draft pick from the Rockets.

Umm why would we have done that when we were trying to lock up bledsoe? Obviously things have changed now. Not sure if troll.

Erm... we are still trying to lock up Bledsoe.

[Revived]

Big time fan from Iceland currently living in the states and a first time poster so don´t go crazy on me if this trade is out of this world.

I heard that the police killed a man in Iceland for the first time ever (since 1944 basically). I'm sorry for your loss.

I hope he didn't move to Mississippi.

[jcsunsfan]

I'd take Stauskas and a #1 pick for Bledsoe and call it a day.

I would too. Stauskus might address the most glaring need on this team.

[Revived]

I'd take Stauskas and a #1 pick for Bledsoe and call it a day.

I would too. Stauskus might address the most glaring need on this team.

Interior defense and rebounding?

[PhxSunsFan1234]

I like George Hill too, but I think his age is a little high to consider him a replacement with the upside thatBledsoe or the other players that I mentioned have (all of them around 24 years old). But yes, Hill can be a better player next to Dagic.

Other option can be Avery Bradley. He is young, he is locked for the next 4 years at $8M per year and he is a terrific defender and a improved shooter. He has roots with McDonough.

George Hill is absolutely terrible. He's one of the main reasons the Pacers couldn't get over the hump to the championship.