Draft Talk Aftermath - Who will win Rookie of the Year?

[SlovenianDragon]

Warren is so overrated on this sub. He's a decent scorer and a passable defender.

Man, warren last year was the 61st highest scorer in the league in PPG.

And he finished really strong. If he continues from where he left off which I think he will he will do better than last year... Especially now hes gotta young rook looking for his job...

He finished the last two months with 18.2 in april and 17.1 ppg in march

so lets say he finished at 17.7 PPG (I mean which he did)

That would put him at the 42nd best scorer in the league.

Now if you sort it to FG% Warren is ranked 28th

There are only 5 SFS on that list ahead of warren two of which being KD and LBJ the rest are C's and Pfs.....

I would say Warrens offense is above average for scoring and the efficiency at which he does it.

Tj warren only played 66 games last year do to injury but finishes strong. I rate Warren highly because I think he is a good player and believe Jackson needs to earn his job.

Ill give you guys the link so you can check out who is ahead or below him:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/seasontype/2

[lilfishi22]

Warren is so overrated on this sub. He's a decent scorer and a passable defender.

Man, warren last year was the 61st highest scorer in the league in PPG.

And he finished really strong. If he continues from where he left off which I think he will he will do better than last year... Especially now hes gotta young rook looking for his job...

He finished the last two months with 18.2 in april and 17.1 ppg in march

so lets say he finished at 17.7 PPG

That would put him at the 42nd best scorer in the league.

Now if you sort it to FG% Warren is ranked 28th

There are only 5 SFS on that list ahead of warren two of which being KD and LBJ the rest are C's and Pfs.....

I would say Warrens offense is above average for scoring and the efficiency at which he does it.

Tj warren only played 66 games last year do to injury but finishes strong. I rate Warren highly because I think he is a good player and believe Jackson needs to earn his job.

+1

I'm on board with drafting BPA which JJ was but I had voiced my concerns about picking a Tatum/JJ/Isaac because of what that means for Warren. I don't think Warren is our franchise guy or anything but he's a solid, solid player at 23. The guy shot .56fg% post all-star while grabbing almost 8rpg. I really can't see how he's overrated.

If anything, the guy is underrated by this board. There's already talks about starting JJ (a guy who hasn't played a single NBA minute) while the guy averaging almost 18/8 on great FG% to finish last season is somehow relegated to a bench role.

[Qwigglez]

Warren is definitely underrated by the entire RealGM board. I've seen people mention trading him for a late 1st. I would never do that. He hasn't peaked, he hasn't declined, he's been improving every year. Considering we rested Bledsoe and Chandler the final two months, I find it pretty extraordinary that he was able to shoot at an even high FG% than in previous months.

[Zelaznyrules]

Warren is definitely underrated by the entire RealGM board. I've seen people mention trading him for a late 1st. I would never do that. He hasn't peaked, he hasn't declined, he's been improving every year. Considering we rested Bledsoe and Chandler the final two months, I find it pretty extraordinary that he was able to shoot at an even high FG% than in previous months.

Players on bad teams tend to get overrated and overlooked, Warren is a perfect example of it. Assuming he can stay healthy this season, I think he'll announce himself quite clearly. I see no reason for him to not average 20 and 8 with high efficiency. Jackson will get some time at the 2 and the 3, Warren will get some time at the 3 and the 4 and that should help prevent a logjam.

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[bwgood77]

Man, warren last year was the 61st highest scorer in the league in PPG.

And he finished really strong. If he continues from where he left off which I think he will he will do better than last year... Especially now hes gotta young rook looking for his job...

He finished the last two months with 18.2 in april and 17.1 ppg in march

so lets say he finished at 17.7 PPG (I mean which he did)

That would put him at the 42nd best scorer in the league.

Now if you sort it to FG% Warren is ranked 28th

There are only 5 SFS on that list ahead of warren two of which being KD and LBJ the rest are C's and Pfs.....

I would say Warrens offense is above average for scoring and the efficiency at which he does it.

Tj warren only played 66 games last year do to injury but finishes strong. I rate Warren highly because I think he is a good player and believe Jackson needs to earn his job.

Ill give you guys the link so you can check out who is ahead or below him:

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgPoints/seasontype/2

28th in the league in fg%. Someone was mentioning JJ is a more efficient scorer than him already.

[bhawk]

Respectfully... TJ vs. JJ. The reason people and our org is talking about JJ potentially starting day 1 is the perception that the Suns got top 3 talent at #4. Arguments could be made that JJ could have / should have been selected at #1. So yeah... I have come to terms with the fact that JJ could be really good. JJ is potentially much better than Warren long term. He is already better than Warren in the vocal leader / alpha male category and that is worth playing time.

[NTB]

I love how our roster is so diverse and versatile. You can create a lineup for nearly every scenario.

Passing lineup:

Ulis - Booker - Jackson - Bender - Len

Shooting lineup:

Bledsoe(?) - Booker - Reed - Peters - Chriss

Rebounding lineup:

Bledsoe - Jackson - Warren - Williams - Chandler

Defensive lineup:

Bledsoe - Reed - Jackson - Bender - Len

Athletic lineup:

Bledsoe - Reed(?) - Jackson - Chriss - Chandler

Offensive/small ball lineup:

Bledsoe(Ulis?) - Booker - Jackson - Warren - Chriss

Cutters/ off-ball offense:

Ulis - Booker - Jackson - Warren - Bender

[bwgood77]

Respectfully... TJ vs. JJ. The reason people and our org is talking about JJ potentially starting day 1 is the perception that the Suns got top 3 talent at #4. Arguments could be made that JJ could have / should have been selected at #1. So yeah... I have come to terms with the fact that JJ could be really good. JJ is potentially much better than Warren long term. He is already better than Warren in the vocal leader / alpha male category and that is worth playing time.

No doubt he has the capability into becoming a great player, and I think they should both get equal minutes. I even think it makes more sense to start JJ at some point in the season. I just don't think it's proper to have him start on day 1 without a minute in the league over a guy that was arguably our most productive player last season. He was our most efficient scorer with the highest efg% of guys that scored quite a bit.

He probably does project better as a sixth man, but day one I personally wouldn't start him. If so, I would definitely have a discussion with TJ about needing his firepower off the bench so we don't have a drop off when our bench players come in.

[NTB]

Respectfully... TJ vs. JJ. The reason people and our org is talking about JJ potentially starting day 1 is the perception that the Suns got top 3 talent at #4. Arguments could be made that JJ could have / should have been selected at #1. So yeah... I have come to terms with the fact that JJ could be really good. JJ is potentially much better than Warren long term. He is already better than Warren in the vocal leader / alpha male category and that is worth playing time.

No doubt he has the capability into becoming a great player, and I think they should both get equal minutes. I even think it makes more sense to start JJ at some point in the season. I just don't think it's proper to have him start on day 1 without a minute in the league over a guy that was arguably our most productive player last season. He was our most efficient scorer with the highest efg% of guys that scored quite a bit.

He probably does project better as a sixth man, but day one I personally wouldn't start him. If so, I would definitely have a discussion with TJ about needing his firepower off the bench so we don't have a drop off when our bench players come in.

It can be like Dudley&Chriss situation. Dudley started the first 8? games and then Chriss took over.

[Villalobos]

Jackson starting could have been promised to get him to cancel workouts.

It wouldn't be the McD Suns if there wasn't drama and a disgruntled player or three.

[bwgood77]

Respectfully... TJ vs. JJ. The reason people and our org is talking about JJ potentially starting day 1 is the perception that the Suns got top 3 talent at #4. Arguments could be made that JJ could have / should have been selected at #1. So yeah... I have come to terms with the fact that JJ could be really good. JJ is potentially much better than Warren long term. He is already better than Warren in the vocal leader / alpha male category and that is worth playing time.

No doubt he has the capability into becoming a great player, and I think they should both get equal minutes. I even think it makes more sense to start JJ at some point in the season. I just don't think it's proper to have him start on day 1 without a minute in the league over a guy that was arguably our most productive player last season. He was our most efficient scorer with the highest efg% of guys that scored quite a bit.

He probably does project better as a sixth man, but day one I personally wouldn't start him. If so, I would definitely have a discussion with TJ about needing his firepower off the bench so we don't have a drop off when our bench players come in.

It can be like Dudley&Chriss situation. Dudley started the first 8? games and then Chriss took over.

Yeah, if he's performing well.

[bwgood77]

Jackson starting could have been promised to get him to cancel workouts.

It wouldn't be the McD Suns if there wasn't drama and a disgruntled player or three.

Yeah, I think there is a chance that could be the case.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I both like warren and would extend him and I would start JJ over him. Reason being I think JJ is a better fit next to booker because of his defense. But I think TJ would be a very valuable guy off the bench and just because he doesn't start doesn't mean I wouldn't play him 30+ minutes a game. He's shown the ability to play some small ball 4 so no reason he can't play a ton. Hell maybe wins 6th man of the year.

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[PackSuns]

I have a novel idea. Why don't we see how JJ plays against top tier NBA talent before we anoint him as the starter. I am a huge fan of JJ and have been for years. Even before his move to Cali during HS. I believe I mentioned him over 2-3 yrs ago on this very forum. (I could be wrong though) Go Suns!!!!

[Fo-Real]

Not worried about who out of Tj or JJ starts to begin the season, that **** has a way of sorting itself out. If Tj does what he is supposed to and capable of then he will start and Josh is our game changing force off the bench along with guys like Ulis and Bender. If Tj pulls his usual disappearing act, then the starting spot is up for grabs... hell, maybe Bender and Chriss get to run sf and pf starters...whatever coach decides.

[King4Day]

Respectfully... TJ vs. JJ. The reason people and our org is talking about JJ potentially starting day 1 is the perception that the Suns got top 3 talent at #4. Arguments could be made that JJ could have / should have been selected at #1. So yeah... I have come to terms with the fact that JJ could be really good. JJ is potentially much better than Warren long term. He is already better than Warren in the vocal leader / alpha male category and that is worth playing time.

No doubt he has the capability into becoming a great player, and I think they should both get equal minutes. I even think it makes more sense to start JJ at some point in the season. I just don't think it's proper to have him start on day 1 without a minute in the league over a guy that was arguably our most productive player last season. He was our most efficient scorer with the highest efg% of guys that scored quite a bit.

He probably does project better as a sixth man, but day one I personally wouldn't start him. If so, I would definitely have a discussion with TJ about needing his firepower off the bench so we don't have a drop off when our bench players come in.

It can be like Dudley&Chriss situation. Dudley started the first 8? games and then Chriss took over.

IMO, that's how it should and probably will start. Unless Jackson has an insane camp/preseason and Warren doesn't look like he's, at least, where he was last season.

[bwgood77]

No doubt he has the capability into becoming a great player, and I think they should both get equal minutes. I even think it makes more sense to start JJ at some point in the season. I just don't think it's proper to have him start on day 1 without a minute in the league over a guy that was arguably our most productive player last season. He was our most efficient scorer with the highest efg% of guys that scored quite a bit.

He probably does project better as a sixth man, but day one I personally wouldn't start him. If so, I would definitely have a discussion with TJ about needing his firepower off the bench so we don't have a drop off when our bench players come in.

It can be like Dudley&Chriss situation. Dudley started the first 8? games and then Chriss took over.

IMO, that's how it should and probably will start. Unless Jackson has an insane camp/preseason and Warren doesn't look like he's, at least, where he was last season.

I think it should probably be something like 20-25 games IF Jackson is showing he clearly belongs, which I expect him to. But Dudley was an old journeyman vet, and Warren was a guy who started his first year and played great. Even if he starts, I expect him to come out first, or maybe even the center comes out first and they slide TJ to 4 and Chriss to 5. That might make the most sense for a few minutes to see how it works, and then TJ could sit.

[Qwigglez]

I actually think Warren is gonna absolutely kill it this season and it will be tough to move him to the bench. I think we might run small ball and have two wings two guards and Chriss at center.

[kennydorglas]

I think JJ will take over pretty quickly on this team. If Watson loved Chriss that much, imagine his boosted version that can play anywhere. It sucks for TJ but he'll be a fantastic super sub for us (markieff role in 2014)