Almost off-season discussion! Trades/Free Agency Ep. 9

[In2ition]

Trading for Wall depends on Sarver. If he's finally willing to do what it takes to win financially and pay the luxury tax to keep his guys, then make the trade and bring him in. If you have a Wall, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Ayton on the team and filler expiring contracts, move the expiring contracts for cap space by offering draft picks, so you can convince a big FA that they are the last piece and are built to compete immediately.

[lilfishi22]

Trading for Wall depends on Sarver. If he's finally willing to do what it takes to win financially and pay the luxury tax to keep his guys, then make the trade and bring him in. If you have a Wall, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Ayton on the team and filler expiring contracts, move the expiring contracts for cap space by offering draft picks, so you can convince a big FA that they are the last piece and are built to compete immediately.

We would've had to move whatever expirings to acquire Wall and when his deal kicks in, we would be over the cap already with only new deals being added from existing Suns players (Booker/Bender/Chriss/JJ extensions?). The reason why the Wizards are strapped is because Wall's deal takes such a large chunk of their cap space when they already maxed out Beal and Porter. Booker will be on a Beal level deal soon enough which means we're looking at around $60m invested in Wall/Booker in 2019-2020. I don't believe we're in a place where we should be investing $190m coming off a 21-win season.

[In2ition]

Trading for Wall depends on Sarver. If he's finally willing to do what it takes to win financially and pay the luxury tax to keep his guys, then make the trade and bring him in. If you have a Wall, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Ayton on the team and filler expiring contracts, move the expiring contracts for cap space by offering draft picks, so you can convince a big FA that they are the last piece and are built to compete immediately.

We would've had to move whatever expirings to acquire Wall and when his deal kicks in, we would be over the cap already with only new deals being added from existing Suns players (Booker/Bender/Chriss/JJ extensions?). The reason why the Wizards are strapped is because Wall's deal takes such a large chunk of their cap space when they already maxed out Beal and Porter. Booker will be on a Beal level deal soon enough which means we're looking at around $60m invested in Wall/Booker in 2019-2020. I don't believe we're in a place where we should be investing $190m coming off a 21-win season.

I think this is perfect time to add a Wall and another Max like LeBron with the rookie deals and #1 pick. It just depends on Sarver willing to pay and continue to pay.

[lilfishi22]

Trading for Wall depends on Sarver. If he's finally willing to do what it takes to win financially and pay the luxury tax to keep his guys, then make the trade and bring him in. If you have a Wall, Booker, Jackson, Warren, Chriss, Bender and Ayton on the team and filler expiring contracts, move the expiring contracts for cap space by offering draft picks, so you can convince a big FA that they are the last piece and are built to compete immediately.

We would've had to move whatever expirings to acquire Wall and when his deal kicks in, we would be over the cap already with only new deals being added from existing Suns players (Booker/Bender/Chriss/JJ extensions?). The reason why the Wizards are strapped is because Wall's deal takes such a large chunk of their cap space when they already maxed out Beal and Porter. Booker will be on a Beal level deal soon enough which means we're looking at around $60m invested in Wall/Booker in 2019-2020. I don't believe we're in a place where we should be investing $190m coming off a 21-win season.

I think this is perfect time to add a Wall and another Max like LeBron with the rookie deals and #1 pick. It just depends on Sarver willing to pay and continue to pay.

How???

[In2ition]

We would've had to move whatever expirings to acquire Wall and when his deal kicks in, we would be over the cap already with only new deals being added from existing Suns players (Booker/Bender/Chriss/JJ extensions?). The reason why the Wizards are strapped is because Wall's deal takes such a large chunk of their cap space when they already maxed out Beal and Porter. Booker will be on a Beal level deal soon enough which means we're looking at around $60m invested in Wall/Booker in 2019-2020. I don't believe we're in a place where we should be investing $190m coming off a 21-win season.

I think this is perfect time to add a Wall and another Max like LeBron with the rookie deals and #1 pick. It just depends on Sarver willing to pay and continue to pay.

How???

I'm not positive you can, but Wall is only making about $18 mil this coming season, which would be Knight and Daniels. Obviously, it would cost picks too. Then all you need is to trade Chandler and Dudley for space.

[AtheJ415]

I think this is perfect time to add a Wall and another Max like LeBron with the rookie deals and #1 pick. It just depends on Sarver willing to pay and continue to pay.

How???

I'm not positive you can, but Wall is only making about $18 mil this coming season, which would be Knight and Daniels. Obviously, it would cost picks too. Then all you need is to trade Chandler and Dudley for space.

Trading Chandler for space is difficult. It will require either taking a bad contract back or adding picks. Dudley may be able to find a taker if a team with cap space strikes out in FA, but even then it may not occur. That is why I hope we are SUPER careful about FA this offseason. Next offseason has a lot better fits and we lose a lot of dead weight at that time.

[thamadkant]

We would've had to move whatever expirings to acquire Wall and when his deal kicks in, we would be over the cap already with only new deals being added from existing Suns players (Booker/Bender/Chriss/JJ extensions?). The reason why the Wizards are strapped is because Wall's deal takes such a large chunk of their cap space when they already maxed out Beal and Porter. Booker will be on a Beal level deal soon enough which means we're looking at around $60m invested in Wall/Booker in 2019-2020. I don't believe we're in a place where we should be investing $190m coming off a 21-win season.

I think this is perfect time to add a Wall and another Max like LeBron with the rookie deals and #1 pick. It just depends on Sarver willing to pay and continue to pay.

How???

Suns are at a risk of maxing their cap without adding a star from FA or trade if they don't do anything.

They will suffer the same issue with Wizards. Cap out by signing their drafted players to max contracts only.


There has to be a plan for McD to use Chandler and Dudley expiring to make the team better from external additions. if he doesn't ... Then I overestimated his planning skills.

[lilfishi22]

I think this is perfect time to add a Wall and another Max like LeBron with the rookie deals and #1 pick. It just depends on Sarver willing to pay and continue to pay.

How???

Suns are at a risk of maxing their cap without adding a star from FA or trade if they don't do anything.

They will suffer the same issue with Wizards. Cap out by signing their drafted players to max contracts only.


There has to be a plan for McD to use Chandler and Dudley expiring to make the team better from external additions. if he doesn't ... Then I overestimated his planning skills.

My issue is you're locking in a guy at $40m a year with a not so rosy injury history that relies on being healthy and athletic to play at a high level. I'm not denying that if we just resigned our guys when they come up for an extension is massive risk on their own since they may not turn out to be the players that will impact the game but it's more of a risk to lock in $40m a year on Wall.

I'm all for using those guys to invest for the future but Wall isn't that guy I want to invest in.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think this is perfect time to add a Wall and another Max like LeBron with the rookie deals and #1 pick. It just depends on Sarver willing to pay and continue to pay.

How???

Suns are at a risk of maxing their cap without adding a star from FA or trade if they don't do anything.

They will suffer the same issue with Wizards. Cap out by signing their drafted players to max contracts only.


There has to be a plan for McD to use Chandler and Dudley expiring to make the team better from external additions. if he doesn't ... Then I overestimated his planning skills.

There is of course the possibility that we sign a couple free agents using the $20 million in space we have this offseason, and then - if we can get Booker to wait on his max extension - spend another $15 million or so on free agents next summer. Not a bad idea, to my mind.

Or we could attach picks to Dudley and Chandler and sign LeBron. That'd be better.

[bwgood77]

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[lilfishi22]

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Tough choice. I'd prefer Gordon next to Ayton but I much prefer Favor's salary

[Qwigglez]

I just realized this was old after reading it (he just retweeted it), but it's pretty interesting...some interesting stuff about what people leak and why..

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This was especially funny...

One example of so-called “foul play” is rather humorous and well-known among league circles. Years ago, an executive believed that he had the necessary pieces to acquire Amar’e Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns. He wanted to trade for Stoudemire and then flip him to another team because he felt he could get more in return for Stoudemire than Phoenix could. He started calling teams to ask what they’d be willing to trade him if he could get Stoudemire. Well, he accidentally called the Suns and asked what they’d be willing to give up if he could acquire Stoudemire… from the Suns. He offered Phoenix their own player. Needless to say, that executive did not acquire Stoudemire.

This was a great article and I remember thinking last year the Pelicans traded for Boogie and thought the only reason they did it was to be like the GM that talked about acquiring Amare just to trade him for more. I felt like there was a small chance they actually would have traded him for perhaps CJ McCollum had Boogie not gotten hurt before the deadline.

[Saberestar]

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None of them.

[NTB]

Dragic - Booker - Jackson - Gordon(Randle) - Ayton

Not sure if we have enough cap space for Dragic + Gordon though.

[BobbieL]

How???

Suns are at a risk of maxing their cap without adding a star from FA or trade if they don't do anything.

They will suffer the same issue with Wizards. Cap out by signing their drafted players to max contracts only.


There has to be a plan for McD to use Chandler and Dudley expiring to make the team better from external additions. if he doesn't ... Then I overestimated his planning skills.

There is of course the possibility that we sign a couple free agents using the $20 million in space we have this offseason, and then - if we can get Booker to wait on his max extension - spend another $15 million or so on free agents next summer. Not a bad idea, to my mind.

Or we could attach picks to Dudley and Chandler and sign LeBron. That'd be better.

The key for suns offseason is can they use the ecoirubgs of Tyson Jared and Daniels, even with a pick to get a better long term player. Like Dragic , would the Heat take Dudley Daniels and the Bucks pick to save long term and short term cash.

Than the Suns still have decent cap space this offseason for another player.

[Qwigglez]

I wouldn't trade Troy Daniels unless it was absolutely necessary for a deal to go down or to make enough cap space to sign a top tier free agent. Not saying Troy Daniels is a make or break player in a deal, absolutely trade him if needed, BUT he could have a decent role coming off the bench and he's on a very cheap contract. We could use the 3 point shooting off the bench, because as of right now he's it, unless Knight is also coming off the bench.

[JMac1]

I wouldn't trade Troy Daniels unless it was absolutely necessary for a deal to go down or to make enough cap space to sign a top tier free agent. Not saying Troy Daniels is a make or break player in a deal, absolutely trade him if needed, BUT he could have a decent role coming off the bench and he's on a very cheap contract. We could use the 3 point shooting off the bench, because as of right now he's it, unless Knight is also coming off the bench.

Yea. he is lights out. Problem is we sucked and his shooting went unnoticed. I do like KH from Maryland though....

[In2ition]

I wouldn't trade Troy Daniels unless it was absolutely necessary for a deal to go down or to make enough cap space to sign a top tier free agent. Not saying Troy Daniels is a make or break player in a deal, absolutely trade him if needed, BUT he could have a decent role coming off the bench and he's on a very cheap contract. We could use the 3 point shooting off the bench, because as of right now he's it, unless Knight is also coming off the bench.

Yea. he is lights out. Problem is we sucked and his shooting went unnoticed. I do like KH from Maryland though....

Not only did we suck, we sucked so bad that he became a no conscience chucker by near necessity, which really hurt him.

[kennydorglas]

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Favors isnt a 4 but Aaron Gordon at that pricetag???? Give me Derrick all day long.

[TeamTragic]

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Favors isnt a 4 but Aaron Gordon at that pricetag???? Give me Derrick all day long.

Favors >>>> Gordon