2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think the $$$ figures should be reversed. $20 mil for Mikal and $25 mil for Ayton. I expect negotiations with each to settle for a little more than that.

[TouchPassDario]

Bridges doesn't deserve more than Ayton or $25 mill. Dude is a juggernaut on defense but is trash on offense. You guys give Ayton crap for his offense lol.

Explain why Mikal gets a pass on offense, but Ayton gets crucified.

Mikal is extremely efficient, and can score at all three levels.

[Barkley6]

Bridges doesn't deserve more than Ayton or $25 mill. Dude is a juggernaut on defense but is trash on offense. You guys give Ayton crap for his offense lol.

Explain why Mikal gets a pass on offense, but Ayton gets crucified.

Mikal is extremely efficient, and can score at all three levels.

Yes, but he's only averaging around 14ppg. That's not worth $25m.

[TouchPassDario]

His scoring is low, but there are guys who don’t put up a lot of points that can still have $20+ mm AAV. They tend to be guys that

(1) are elite rim protectors and/or multi positional defenders that can stop POA
(2) create a ton of offense and/or have excellent a/t ratios
(3) offer offensive value extrinsic to volume scoring (i.e., elite spacing and/or cutting and/or offensive rebounding)

I think Bridges checks a lot of boxes. He’s 42% mid-volume 3shooter, high %tile movement scorer per advanced metrics (62% from 2), has more than 3 assists for every turnover, shoots very well at the line on low but not nonexistent volume.

His value all stacks with elite volume shooters and/or high usage creators: he doesn’t offer duplicative value.

Also important is the fact that contracts are bets on the future more than anything: he’s 24, entering his prime, has shown a dramatic improvement arc, and reportedly has a great work ethic. He has a great frame and above average athleticism; he could probably fill out a bit. He will get smarter as he gets more acclimated to NBA game.

[sunsbg]

Mikal may look worth of 25M+ during the stretches when he looks like the second coming of Kawhi. That's like 10 out of 82 games though. Around 20M looks about right for him. It's harder to find a big with Ayton's impact, so maybe he gets a little bit more.

[bwgood77]

His scoring is low, but there are guys who don’t put up a lot of points that can still have $20+ mm AAV. They tend to be guys that

(1) are elite rim protectors and/or multi positional defenders that can stop POA
(2) create a ton of offense and/or have excellent a/t ratios
(3) offer offensive value extrinsic to volume scoring (i.e., elite spacing and/or cutting and/or offensive rebounding)

I think Bridges checks a lot of boxes. He’s 42% mid-volume 3shooter, high %tile movement scorer per advanced metrics (62% from 2), has more than 3 assists for every turnover, shoots very well at the line on low but not nonexistent volume.

His value all stacks with elite volume shooters and/or high usage creators: he doesn’t offer duplicative value.

Also important is the fact that contracts are bets on the future more than anything: he’s 24, entering his prime, has shown a dramatic improvement arc, and reportedly has a great work ethic. He has a great frame and above average athleticism; he could probably fill out a bit. He will get smarter as he gets more acclimated to NBA game.

If I were Bridges I would not sign an extension as I've mentioned before I think he could be a Paul George/Kawhi type (maybe a light version of them). Unfortunately for him, due to Book, CP3 and Ayton, he won't get as many scoring opportunities as he otherwise would, which will allow us to maybe get him for cheaper, but if he does develop more offensive weapons for next year, like this year, he may have plenty of suitors willing to offer him more and he will be more expensive. If we can get him for around $20 on an extension though, we should.

[TouchPassDario]

I think Bridges would sign 5/100 this year. Problem is the Suns can’t afford to extend both him and DA until Paul’s contract clears: then we can go over the cap having both of their bird rights.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think Bridges would sign 5/100 this year. Problem is the Suns can’t afford to extend both him and DA until Paul’s contract clears: then we can go over the cap having both of their bird rights.

I'd feel pretty comfortable wagering that CP3 will re-sign with us on a 2 year deal when his current contract expires.

Extend away, I say.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I think Bridges would sign 5/100 this year. Problem is the Suns can’t afford to extend both him and DA until Paul’s contract clears: then we can go over the cap having both of their bird rights.

I'd feel pretty comfortable wagering that CP3 will re-sign with us on a 2 year deal when his current contract expires.

Extend away, I say.

Should be noted that Paul's contract has nothing to do with extending Ayton or Bridges at least as far as CBA rules are concerned. Litterally nothing.

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[TouchPassDario]

I think Bridges would sign 5/100 this year. Problem is the Suns can’t afford to extend both him and DA until Paul’s contract clears: then we can go over the cap having both of their bird rights.

I'd feel pretty comfortable wagering that CP3 will re-sign with us on a 2 year deal when his current contract expires.

Extend away, I say.

Right. What I mean is we don’t have the space this off-season to resign Mikal and DA, due to Chris’ K.

If we wait until after next year we can extend Chris and then go over the cap to keep Mikal and DA.

[TouchPassDario]

I think Bridges would sign 5/100 this year. Problem is the Suns can’t afford to extend both him and DA until Paul’s contract clears: then we can go over the cap having both of their bird rights.

I'd feel pretty comfortable wagering that CP3 will re-sign with us on a 2 year deal when his current contract expires.

Extend away, I say.

Should be noted that Paul's contract has nothing to do with extending Ayton or Bridges at least as far as CBA rules are concerned. Litterally nothing.

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Pretty sure it does matter when it comes to TIMING. We have to do Paul first, and we have to wait until Mikal and DA’s bird rights kick in to allow us to go over the cap to keep them.

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That’s a pretty hilarious and awful statement for his camp to leak. It’s like saying 20mm for year OR BEST OFFER!

[SlovenianDragon]

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That’s a pretty hilarious and awful statement for his camp to leak. It’s like saying 20mm for year OR BEST OFFER!

offer 19.9 and see what happens.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd feel pretty comfortable wagering that CP3 will re-sign with us on a 2 year deal when his current contract expires.

Extend away, I say.

Should be noted that Paul's contract has nothing to do with extending Ayton or Bridges at least as far as CBA rules are concerned. Litterally nothing.

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Pretty sure it does matter when it comes to TIMING. We have to do Paul first, and we have to wait until Mikal and DA’s bird rights kick in to allow us to go over the cap to keep them.

Nope, suns have full bird rights on all those guys so can extend no matter the timing.

They can sign both Ayton and Bridges next summer, those extensions won't kick in for a full year. In the summer of 22 Paul expires and since they traded for him they will have his full bird rights and could extend him then if he still wants to play.

Now when it comes to things like the luxury tax then yes hard decisions will need to be made.

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[TouchPassDario]

Should be noted that Paul's contract has nothing to do with extending Ayton or Bridges at least as far as CBA rules are concerned. Litterally nothing.

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Pretty sure it does matter when it comes to TIMING. We have to do Paul first, and we have to wait until Mikal and DA’s bird rights kick in to allow us to go over the cap to keep them.

Nope, suns have full bird rights on all those guys so can extend no matter the timing.

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Thanks. That’s helpful. Still have to shuffle lux tax implications. I think we should try to do all three at once. Hold a press conference before the Finals.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Pretty sure it does matter when it comes to TIMING. We have to do Paul first, and we have to wait until Mikal and DA’s bird rights kick in to allow us to go over the cap to keep them.

Nope, suns have full bird rights on all those guys so can extend no matter the timing.

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Thanks. That’s helpful. Still have to shuffle lux tax implications. I think we should try to do all three at once. Hold a press conference before the Finals.

Now I should clarify something. A Paul extension this summer is governed by different rules than the Bridges and Ayton early rookie extension. The rules on those get a little weird, the easiest way would be for Paul to opt out of that last year of his deal and sign a whole new contract. That's the simple path, adding years to his current deal is a little more complicated and IMO very unlikely to happen.

I kind of doubt they do anything with Paul this summer. My guess is he plays out these final two years and then both sides figure out what they want in the summer of 22.

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[JohnWall2]

Bridges doesn't deserve more than Ayton or $25 mill. Dude is a juggernaut on defense but is trash on offense. You guys give Ayton crap for his offense lol.

Explain why Mikal gets a pass on offense, but Ayton gets crucified.

Because people seem to hold it against Ayton personally that he was taken number 1. I can understand people not being happy with the pick but I personally am. He fits well with this team, he's efficient and well on his way to becoming a top defensive anchor which is always so important. Also a good team mate and unselfish.

I mean you look at all our other recent high picks..... Jackson, Bender and Len and DA is leagues better, yes it was the number 1 pick used to obtain him but making out he's some kind of bust when he clearly isn't is a bit much. He just happened to be in the same draft as a generational player and that gets held against him and unfortunately always will.

[TouchPassDario]

Yeah, I doubt Paul wants to opt out of $44mm he gets next year. Although maybe he’s good if we offer 3/115 or something?