2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[Calvin Klein]

This front office would be roasted toasted and buried in a major media market. You got to go national for for anyone to take the gloves off on Wishbia. He is solely responsible for the demise of this franchise.



Im cranky today.

For the last 2 years, we've been discussing this team, but there is nothing more to say than this. Nothing else matters. It's sad but we depend on that idiot unfortunately. In terms of pure basketball product he has been even worse than Sarver. Just pure destruction from day one.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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What long-term C do we currently have? Oso might peak as a small ball 5, but he's probably a better 4. Mason is a vet. Richards is decent, but he's not a long-term answer at 5.

This is a spot-on assessment! Ighodaro has been much better than I originally anticipated. But yes, due to size and lack of shooting, he's much better served at the 4.

For me, ideally, I'd love for us to get a floor spacing center like Vucevic to provide him with much better spacing to work with in the paint because of his athleticism, IQ, and passing.

Or even if we can't obviously get him in free agency due to lack of cap space as a 2nd apron team, options like Maxime Raynaud, Alex Condon, or possibly even Johan Grunloh and Ryan Kalkbrenner are all centers that are mobile, can block shots, and also hit the three reasonably well.

I wish we could have traded for Vucevic at the deadline somehow. But at a lower cost, from the draft, there will be reasonable options that could pair reasonably well with Ighodaro.

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Still looking to try and find the link to this, but this would/could change a whole lot if true!

Sounds like we're going to move KD first to get some draft capital, which we may need to use to move Beal. Not ideal but if we're determined to move Beal and no one wants him, you'll have to sell him with something else.

I don't know what the cost would be but if it's a couple of crappy FRP.... I'd probably just suck it up and do it. Clean slate moving forward

I really hope that isn't the plan! Beal only has next season before becoming a massive $57 million expiring contract that would be very enticing to teams under this current CBA. Or even if we don't move him, just play him off the bench in a super 6th man role, allowing him to showcase himself. Just as long as Bud doesn't try to be clever and sneak him back into the rotation with KD and Booker, everything should work out just fine. KD and Booker could be our go-to duo, and Beal off the bench would supercharge our bench scoring, making it more potent! And as a byproduct, Beeal could also repair some of his lost trade value too, creating more potential interested teams around the deadline or even next summer as an expiring!

The 3rd and final consideration would be keeping him to utilize him post-KD trade in a buyout to generate significant money in 26' free agency to try and add another big-name player back with this team?

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I'm sharing this tweet because it actually has the link to the audio clip of Gambo talking about moving on from both KD and Beal for our own individual interpretation of the situation.

[BobbieL]

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I'm sharing this tweet because it actually has the link to the audio clip of Gambo talking about moving on from both KD and Beal for our own individual interpretation of the situation.

Trading assets to move on from Beal would be stupid. As the players you get are not going to be that good

The only way trading a pick with Beal makes sense is if you move Booker Durant, O'Neale and Allen and have a fringe late R1 pick floating around. Even that, I guess I can see what the value come back is. I just don't see trading picks to move Beal makes sense

[BobbieL]

I know Beals brother. They have family in Chicago! Also, Beals brother lives in Texas now! I call teams Beal will go to any team in TX, Chicago, or Miami! Thats about it.

So does his brother think he will be traded?

Yeah - Beal is gone. we all know that.

Suns Trade: KD
Rockets Trade: FVV, Eason or whitmore, Jabari Smith JR, and our 1st back.

This gives suns a leader on offense (Think CP3 lite)

FVV, Clayton Jr (Florida Rookie with our 1st back)
Booker, Allen
Whitmore / Eason, Dunn
Smith JR / Dunn / O'Neale
Richards / OSO

Then trade Beal for whatever we can get! I call any texas team, miami, or chicago. LA is a sleeper just cause of market

I am still moving Booker - that team isn't winning jack and will barely be a top 10 team

[Fo-Real]

Dammit FOReal... keep that quiet. Im not even going to quote it.

Are you for real?

Naa, I'm just a figment of my imagination. Swamp gas refracting off of the light from the moon. A headlight while in the forest shining between the trees from the hilly roadway that rises and falls. Names Tyler Durden, we should start a Fight Club!!

[Frank Lee]

Ghost you keep banging to keep Beal for his expiring.... the downside is you still have to absorb salary coming in, and usually it's money teams are trying to get off of...normally its draft capital that's the most value coming back. (thus your subconscious fetish i'm sure).

This is a bird in the hand stretch. He needs to go. We will be better next yr without him. There are positives to his departure all across the board. Namely the MLE, ability to combine players in trades, reduction of redundancy, yaddayadda........and not wasting 100 mil on a 45 game a year player. More importantly, regardless of what MoneyBagMat says, It yields $30+ million off the taxable amount.
I'll quote JerryG...'He's gone and never coming back'

accept it.

[dremill24]

Ghost you keep banging to keep Beal for his expiring.... the downside is you still have to absorb salary coming in, and usually it's money teams are trying to get off of...normally its draft capital that's the most value coming back. (thus your subconscious fetish i'm sure).

This is a bird in the hand stretch. He needs to go. We will be better next yr without him. There are positives to his departure all across the board. Namely the MLE, ability to combine players in trades, reduction of redundancy, yaddayadda........and not wasting 100 mil on a 45 game a year player. More importantly, regardless of what MoneyBagMat says, It yields $30+ million off the taxable amount.
I'll quote JerryG...'He's gone and never coming back'

accept it.

I dunno man...55mil/yr for 50 games for 2yrs (and option to TRY to trade) or 22mil/yr for 0 games for 5 yrs and stuck with it? You think his NTC makes it hard to get his money off the books now? You're on the hook for that stretched money literally no matter what, cant get it off.

[KdoubleDees23]

We just need to fleece Nico! Mavs already hate him.

Beal, KD for AD and Kyrie lol

[BobbieL]

Ghost you keep banging to keep Beal for his expiring.... the downside is you still have to absorb salary coming in, and usually it's money teams are trying to get off of...normally its draft capital that's the most value coming back. (thus your subconscious fetish i'm sure).

This is a bird in the hand stretch. He needs to go. We will be better next yr without him. There are positives to his departure all across the board. Namely the MLE, ability to combine players in trades, reduction of redundancy, yaddayadda........and not wasting 100 mil on a 45 game a year player. More importantly, regardless of what MoneyBagMat says, It yields $30+ million off the taxable amount.
I'll quote JerryG...'He's gone and never coming back'

accept it.

I dunno man...55mil/yr for 50 games for 2yrs (and option to TRY to trade) or 22mil/yr for 0 games for 5 yrs and stuck with it? You think his NTC makes it hard to get his money off the books now? You're on the hook for that stretched money literally no matter what, cant get it off.

Exactly right. I would rather see Ishbia buy him out over stretching him. Stretching him out would be "peak Ishbia" - emotional, short sighted decision. I also think if you hold Beal for one more year, he does become a HUGE expiring in the summer of 2026 which might have value since its jsut one year left

Trading him, and it probably includes a draft pick of which they have very little draft capital, just reduces the draft capital and what crappy contracts are y ou getting. I brought up the Bulls - not that is going there - but you would have to take back PWill. Granted, he is only 18m but through 2029. And you LOST a cheap contract draft pick to sign "Royce O'Neale" for the MLE - big whoop!! Activity doesn't equal accomplishment and the narrative that at least Ishbia is trying - that doesn't apply anymore.

Beal expires in 2027 -- its time Ishbia be smart and not fan boy stuff. Stretching Beal is something casual fans would do as its a short term solution. Its like the Saints in the NFL - kicking cap down the road. Fans think the Saints are geniuses - they aren't. That team is not going anywhere

Keeping Booker, stretching Beal to get the MLE would be 7th seed at best nonsense.

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[Frank Lee]

Casual Fan ??? really dude. How about realistic? Seems clear which direction Wishbia, like it or not, is taking.

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[SunsRback4Good]

Are you for real?

Naa, I'm just a figment of my imagination. Swamp gas refracting off of the light from the moon. A headlight while in the forest shining between the trees from the hilly roadway that rises and falls. Names Tyler Durden, we should start a Fight Club!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[BobbieL]

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I think Jones should be fire - time to move

I just hope if Ishbia does move on - he allows the GM to do their job