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The TJ Warren Thread!

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Post#981 » by gaspar » Wed Dec 6, 2017 7:42 pm

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gaspar wrote:TJ is 3rd in the league in technical fouls this season (6), behind only Cousins and Draymond lol
Booker (5) is 5th. Chriss and Jackson (3) are 13th.


That's crazy. The man that never showed any emotion.

It must be infuriating for him. He's getting hit in the head every game and not getting any calls...
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Post#982 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 6, 2017 7:47 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:I know we're talking relatively low volumes (1.5 attempts career max) but I don't understand how he could've gotten worse over the years. Is it the increased defensive pressure? Is it his shooting form which he's "perfected" for the mid-range and but doesn't keep it's same effectiveness at the 3PT range? He's had some really great open looks but it's just super streaky


I think it was in part due to extremely low sample size for the season. While I know his shots per game have remained the same, there just haven't been enough games yet. When you first posted the % he was at 14.3%. A week or so prior he was below 10%. Now it's at 17.5% because he shot 43% on them the last 3 games, as Damkac mentioned.

Damkac wrote:In the last 3 games he is 1-2, 1-3 and 1-2 for 3. Let's hope it's some sign of improvement.


He seems to be just letting them fly now without (or with much less) hesitation whereas earlier he would hesitate a bit, and take a step in because he wasn't comfortable. I think they just drilled into his head "Shoot it if you are wide open. It's ok if you miss but don't hesitate."
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Re: The TJ Warren Thread! 

Post#983 » by bigfoot » Wed Dec 6, 2017 7:55 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:I know we're talking relatively low volumes (1.5 attempts career max) but I don't understand how he could've gotten worse over the years. Is it the increased defensive pressure? Is it his shooting form which he's "perfected" for the mid-range and but doesn't keep it's same effectiveness at the 3PT range? He's had some really great open looks but it's just super streaky


I think it was in part due to extremely low sample size for the season. While I know his shots per game have remained the same, there just haven't been enough games yet. When you first posted the % he was at 14.3%. A week or so prior he was below 10%. Now it's at 17.5% because he shot 43% on them the last 3 games, as Damkac mentioned.

Damkac wrote:In the last 3 games he is 1-2, 1-3 and 1-2 for 3. Let's hope it's some sign of improvement.


He seems to be just letting them fly now without (or with much less) hesitation whereas earlier he would hesitate a bit, and take a step in because he wasn't comfortable. I think they just drilled into his head "Shoot it if you are wide open. It's ok if you miss but don't hesitate."


I don't like his form on his three point shot. He has a lot of lower body motion that I think throws off his shot.
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Re: The TJ Warren Thread! 

Post#984 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Dec 6, 2017 8:01 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:I know we're talking relatively low volumes (1.5 attempts career max) but I don't understand how he could've gotten worse over the years. Is it the increased defensive pressure? Is it his shooting form which he's "perfected" for the mid-range and but doesn't keep it's same effectiveness at the 3PT range? He's had some really great open looks but it's just super streaky


I think it was in part due to extremely low sample size for the season. While I know his shots per game have remained the same, there just haven't been enough games yet. When you first posted the % he was at 14.3%. A week or so prior he was below 10%. Now it's at 17.5% because he shot 43% on them the last 3 games, as Damkac mentioned.

Damkac wrote:In the last 3 games he is 1-2, 1-3 and 1-2 for 3. Let's hope it's some sign of improvement.


He seems to be just letting them fly now without (or with much less) hesitation whereas earlier he would hesitate a bit, and take a step in because he wasn't comfortable. I think they just drilled into his head "Shoot it if you are wide open. It's ok if you miss but don't hesitate."


I don't like his form on his three point shot. He has a lot of lower body motion that I think throws off his shot.

It's just not a natural shot for him. His motion makes it deadly from 12-20 feet. Further out, he changes his form.
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Re: The TJ Warren Thread! 

Post#985 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 6, 2017 8:32 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
I think it was in part due to extremely low sample size for the season. While I know his shots per game have remained the same, there just haven't been enough games yet. When you first posted the % he was at 14.3%. A week or so prior he was below 10%. Now it's at 17.5% because he shot 43% on them the last 3 games, as Damkac mentioned.



He seems to be just letting them fly now without (or with much less) hesitation whereas earlier he would hesitate a bit, and take a step in because he wasn't comfortable. I think they just drilled into his head "Shoot it if you are wide open. It's ok if you miss but don't hesitate."


I don't like his form on his three point shot. He has a lot of lower body motion that I think throws off his shot.

It's just not a natural shot for him. His motion makes it deadly from 12-20 feet. Further out, he changes his form.


It's partly because he is almost always in motion when shooting from anywhere else whereas his 3 pt shots are catch and shoot. He may have some catch and shoot 2s, but that's not really his thing.
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Re: The TJ Warren Thread! 

Post#986 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Dec 6, 2017 10:55 pm

I don't think his game will change too much without Booker as he plays within the system.

But it would be nice to see him become the go to scorer over the next 3 weeks and score 30+ consistantly.
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Post#987 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Dec 6, 2017 11:44 pm

OK. Well Warren will have to fill the offensive production. Someone else will have to step up scoring.

So which will it be? Chriss, Bender, Jackson, Len.
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Post#988 » by Saberestar » Thu Dec 7, 2017 12:03 am

jcsunsfan wrote:OK. Well Warren will have to fill the offensive production. Someone else will have to step up scoring.

So which will it be? Chriss, Bender, Jackson, Len.

I think that Warren is not gonna change that much, he is a 20 point scorer on a 50% shooting with or without Book.

I expect Ulis, James and Jackson to increase their production and minutes on the court...hopefully Jackson takes a big leap and he improves his efficiency scoring and passing the ball.
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Post#991 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Jan 2, 2018 7:44 pm

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There are so many lovely plays in this clip. The Booker pass to start is fantastic. TJ scoring over Simmons, Embiid and about everyone. Defenders just cannot keep up with him. He is in constant motion.
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Post#992 » by Blackification » Wed Jan 3, 2018 8:53 am

Amazing that TJ is averaging almost 20 ppg while shooting .18 percent on threes and averaging only like 1.6 attempts per game. Elite level mid range and under the basket finishing game
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Re: The TJ Warren Thread! 

Post#993 » by batsmasher » Wed Jan 3, 2018 1:07 pm

DownToBuck's descriptions of TJ's highlight vids are the best. I kinda forgot how good they were. The highlights are cool too, I suppose...
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Re: The TJ Warren Thread! 

Post#994 » by gaspar » Wed Jan 3, 2018 5:57 pm

Stupid Suns. Why did they pay TJ all that money last summer? Who were they bidding against? Norman Powell's better.
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Post#995 » by Saberestar » Wed Jan 3, 2018 6:11 pm

gaspar wrote:Stupid Suns. Why did they pay TJ all that money last summer? Who were they bidding against? Norman Powell's better.

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Re: The TJ Warren Thread! 

Post#996 » by kennydorglas » Wed Jan 3, 2018 6:19 pm

When TJ gets the respect from the refs, he'll be easily a 25ppg player in this league (pretty much on and-1)
Basically if the refs think he's Jimmy Butler.
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Post#997 » by Book1Nation » Wed Jan 3, 2018 7:16 pm

He good.

Kind of like a mini Melo without the 3 point shot. If he ever developed into a decent (36-37%) 3 point shooter, woof.
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Post#998 » by jcsunsfan » Wed Jan 3, 2018 7:27 pm

kennydorglas wrote:When TJ gets the respect from the refs, he'll be easily a 25ppg player in this league (pretty much on and-1)
Basically if the refs think he's Jimmy Butler.


When TJ starts hitting that 3 at 33% or better, he will be nearly unstoppable.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#999 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:59 pm

Anyone read this yet?
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/1/11/16878016/asset-watch-what-picks-and-players-the-phoenix-suns-have-for-trade-season-timeline

Had not realized Warren was putting up 24 points the past 10 games. He kind of has that Marion game, where he just gets overlooked and does things quietly.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 4 

Post#1000 » by hollywood6964 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:36 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Anyone read this yet?
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/1/11/16878016/asset-watch-what-picks-and-players-the-phoenix-suns-have-for-trade-season-timeline

Had not realized Warren was putting up 24 points the past 10 games. He kind of has that Marion game, where he just gets overlooked and does things quietly.


Warrens the type of guy that can put up numbers on a bad team. On a good team, less, on a very good team, half. He's just not good enough. Hopefully he can get better.....but he'll never be as good as Marion, not that you really said that.

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