Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[bwgood77]

What was Warrens mystery injury again?

Still find it very very strange how that whole thing happened and no one knows anything.

They gave him some kind of wrong medicine or fluids or something and it really screwed with his body. That's probably a big reason we never heard anything because it sounds as if it was the team's fault.

[lilfishi22]

What was Warrens mystery injury again?

Still find it very very strange how that whole thing happened and no one knows anything.

They gave him some kind of wrong medicine or fluids or something and it really screwed with his body. That's probably a big reason we never heard anything because it sounds as if it was the team's fault.

Is this from insider info? I don't recall the team ever giving any official reason

[bwgood77]

What was Warrens mystery injury again?

Still find it very very strange how that whole thing happened and no one knows anything.

They gave him some kind of wrong medicine or fluids or something and it really screwed with his body. That's probably a big reason we never heard anything because it sounds as if it was the team's fault.

Is this from insider info? I don't recall the team ever giving any official reason

Yes, second hand, and I don't remember exactly the terminology used, but it's something like that.

[nevetsov]

Hindsight being wonderful and all, who would undo the #8 for #13+change trade if they could?

You could even allow for Chriss to be taken at #4 in this fake scenario.

So essentially...

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Warren
Warren, Jackson
Chriss, Bender
Chandler, Williams

Or

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Bogdanovic
Warren, Jackson
Chriss/Bender (one only), Labissere
Chandler, Williams (or Papagiannis?)

[LukasBMW]

Hindsight being wonderful and all, who would undo the #8 for #13+change trade if they could?

You could even allow for Chriss to be taken at #4 in this fake scenario.

So essentially...

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Warren
Warren, Jackson
Chriss, Bender
Chandler, Williams

Or

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Bogdanovic
Warren, Jackson
Chriss/Bender (one only), Labissere
Chandler, Williams (or Papagiannis?)

To early to tell. On draft day it looked like a rape in our favor.

It still could be a rape if Chriss and Bender turn out.

But Skal, Papa, and Bogd have potential as well.

We might not know the winner of this trade for awhile.

[bwgood77]

Hindsight being wonderful and all, who would undo the #8 for #13+change trade if they could?

You could even allow for Chriss to be taken at #4 in this fake scenario.

So essentially...

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Warren
Warren, Jackson
Chriss, Bender
Chandler, Williams

Or

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Bogdanovic
Warren, Jackson
Chriss/Bender (one only), Labissere
Chandler, Williams (or Papagiannis?)

To early to tell. On draft day it looked like a rape in our favor.

It still could be a rape if Chriss and Bender turn out.

But Skal, Papa, and Bogd have potential as well.

We might not know the winner of this trade for awhile.

I wonder if we couldn't pull off the trade who we would have taken at 4. I'm guessing still Bender, and we probably didn't know for sure the trade would have gone through at 4 because Sac wanted Hield and were not 100% sure he wouldn't be there.

I've heard NBA people talk as if they though Sac definitely won the deal even though they messed up the 13th pick...just for Bogdan and Skal for Chriss. But they were pretty high on Skal having watched him and pretty low on Chriss...didn't think much of his bbiq. Of course we could have gone a number of ways with both picks and had Bogdan so I'd very likely undo it.

At 13 could have taken

Denzel Valentine - Kind of like
Juan Hernangomez - Really like
Guerschon Yabusele
Wade Baldwin - Like
Henry Ellenson
Malik Beasley
Caris LeVert - Really like
DeAndre Bembry
Malachi Richardson
Ante Zizic
Timothe Luwawu
Skal Labissiere
Furkan Kormaz

At 28

Skal Labissiere
Dejounte Murray
Tyler Ulis
Cheick Diallo

At 34

Tyler Ulis
Malcolm Brogdon

So I would have loved like Hernangomez or LeVert at 13

At 28 Skal (if LeVert taken earlier) or Ulis or possibly Dejounte Murray

At 34 Ulis (if LeVert and Skal taken earlier) - Brogdon if Hernangomez and Ulis taken earlier

So we could have come away with Bender or Chriss, Hernangomez, Ulis, Brogdon, and kept Bogdan. (2 PFs to cover for a bust, 2 wings, and a PG)

or Bender or Chriss, LeVert, Skal, Ulis, and kept Bogdan (2 PFs to cover for a bust, 2 wings, and a PG)

or Bender/Chriss, LeVert, Ulis, Brogdon and Bogdan (1 PF, 1 PG and 3 wings)

I think I like all those options better than what we have in hindsight, but of course I don't know for sure who we would have picked, and I really loved who we got at the time as that is who I wanted at 4 and 13, and I like Ulis.

So ultimately I'm happy, but the other options, in hindsight, sound nice too.

[LukasBMW]

Hindsight being wonderful and all, who would undo the #8 for #13+change trade if they could?

You could even allow for Chriss to be taken at #4 in this fake scenario.

So essentially...

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Warren
Warren, Jackson
Chriss, Bender
Chandler, Williams

Or

Bledsoe, Ulis
Booker, Bogdanovic
Warren, Jackson
Chriss/Bender (one only), Labissere
Chandler, Williams (or Papagiannis?)

To early to tell. On draft day it looked like a rape in our favor.

It still could be a rape if Chriss and Bender turn out.

But Skal, Papa, and Bogd have potential as well.

We might not know the winner of this trade for awhile.

I wonder if we couldn't pull off the trade who we would have taken at 4. I'm guessing still Bender, and we probably didn't know for sure the trade would have gone through at 4 because Sac wanted Hield and were not 100% sure he wouldn't be there.

I've heard NBA people talk as if they though Sac definitely won the deal even though they messed up the 13th pick...just for Bogdan and Skal for Chriss. But they were pretty high on Skal having watched him and pretty low on Chriss...didn't think much of his bbiq. Of course we could have gone a number of ways with both picks and had Bogdan so I'd very likely undo it.

At 13 could have taken

Denzel Valentine - Kind of like
Juan Hernangomez - Really like
Guerschon Yabusele
Wade Baldwin - Like
Henry Ellenson
Malik Beasley
Caris LeVert - Really like
DeAndre Bembry
Malachi Richardson
Ante Zizic
Timothe Luwawu
Skal Labissiere
Furkan Kormaz

At 28

Skal Labissiere
Dejounte Murray
Tyler Ulis
Cheick Diallo

At 34

Tyler Ulis
Malcolm Brogdon

So I would have loved like Hernangomez or LeVert at 13

At 28 Skal (if LeVert taken earlier) or Ulis or possibly Dejounte Murray

At 34 Ulis (if LeVert and Skal taken earlier) - Brogdon if Hernangomez and Ulis taken earlier

So we could have come away with Bender or Chriss, Hernangomez, Ulis, Brogdon, and kept Bogdan. (2 PFs to cover for a bust, 2 wings, and a PG)

or Bender or Chriss, LeVert, Skal, Ulis, and kept Bogdan (2 PFs to cover for a bust, 2 wings, and a PG)

or Bender/Chriss, LeVert, Ulis, Brogdon and Bogdan (1 PF, 1 PG and 3 wings)

I think I like all those options better than what we have in hindsight, but of course I don't know for sure who we would have picked, and I really loved who we got at the time as that is who I wanted at 4 and 13, and I like Ulis.

So ultimately I'm happy, but the other options, in hindsight, sound nice too.

Of Bender/Chriss/Ulis, Ulis could have the best career. Seriously.

[AtheJ415]

I was a huge Bogdan fan when he was drafted. I have never liked that he was included in that trade, but the fact that he is coming over and not as a rookie is a big deal. You are paying vet value for a complete unknown as far as NBA play goes.

I like Skal. I would not have taken him with either of our picks that were so high up because he bombed so badly in college, but his skill and size warranted taking a chance on him. I actually like Chriss's upside more though personally. Chriss is not supposed to be better today since he has played so little actual basketball.

I am not a Papa fan at all. I will never understand that pick for Sac. Imo he's a big body and nothing else.

[bwgood77]

I was a huge Bogdan fan when he was drafted. I have never liked that he was included in that trade, but the fact that he is coming over and not as a rookie is a big deal. You are paying vet value for a complete unknown as far as NBA play goes.

I like Skal. I would not have taken him with either of our picks that were so high up because he bombed so badly in college, but his skill and size warranted taking a chance on him. I actually like Chriss's upside more though personally. Chriss is not supposed to be better today since he has played so little actual basketball.

I am not a Papa fan at all. I will never understand that pick for Sac. Imo he's a big body and nothing else.

If we had still had that pick, we wouldn't have taken Papa. Even though Bogdan is more experience and a bit older, it's still pretty rare you get a player that appears to be that good at that age unless you have drafted him anyway, given team's ability to hold onto players for eight years. I don't view the experience as a bad thing.

[bwgood77]

Of Bender/Chriss/Ulis, Ulis could have the best career. Seriously.

Yes, any of them could. I expected him to look the best out of the gate and the younger guys to look a little more raw. Point guards usually seem to adjust the fastest anyway. But Chriss obviously had the most chance to get used to the NBA and improve, and he took advantage, so that was good to see. And too bad Bender got injured right around the time we benched vets to play the young guys.

[matt131]

@wojespn: Story posting soon on ESPN: Phoenix's Alex Len planning to sign qualifying offer before camp, will become unrestricted free agent in 2018.


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[Mulhollanddrive]

Will he even play, if not he's probably battling to stay in the league next year.

Still think he can be a late developer like Tyson Chandler.

[RunDogGun]

76ers exploring Okafor trades. Any way we can stick them with Knight? Two second rounders and some cash? One can dream can't they?

[King4Day]

Barring an unforeseen change of events, Phoenix Suns center Alex Len is planning to sign the team's $4.2 million qualifying offer before training camp, clearing the way to become an unrestricted free agent in 2018, league sources told ESPN.

The Suns open camp on Tuesday at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff.

Len, a skilled 7-footer, investigated offer sheets and sign-and-trade proposals, but none made sense with the possibility of free agency next summer. The Suns are preserving salary-cap space in 2018 without signing him to an extension now, but do risk losing Len for no compensation.

Phoenix wants to study's Len's progress in the 2017-'18 season before committing a long-term, lucrative contract extension to him. Len has started 80 games over the past two seasons, including 34 in 2016-'17 when he averaged eight points, 6.6 rebounds and 1.3 blocks a game.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20774690/phoenix-suns-center-alex-len-planning-sign-qualifying-offer-sheet-training-camp

Interesting about the offer sheets he supposedly could have signed. I think he'll regret not signing with anyone.
I could see us trading him by the deadline barring a great start to the season.

[Bogyo]

Anyone intrested in Jah? I think he could be had for a late first rounder/early second rounder(s)?

[King4Day]

Anyone intrested in Jah? I think he could be had for a late first rounder/early second rounder(s)?

Most I'd do is a Len for Okafor swap at this point. Though, an early second I could be OK with too.

[King4Day]

76ers exploring Okafor trades. Any way we can stick them with Knight? Two second rounders and some cash? One can dream can't they?

At this stage we'll have to wait until Knight heals. Then, we can start looking at trades. Likely for another bad contract. Otherwise, I believe we're going to stretch him next summer.
It's a real shame they didn't add the amnesty provision in this CBA.

[RunDogGun]

76ers exploring Okafor trades. Any way we can stick them with Knight? Two second rounders and some cash? One can dream can't they?

At this stage we'll have to wait until Knight heals. Then, we can start looking at trades. Likely for another bad contract. Otherwise, I believe we're going to stretch him next summer.
It's a real shame they didn't add the amnesty provision in this CBA.

He has the the character that Colangelo likes, and Okafor does not. If Knight can't return, doesn't insurance help cover that? I'd throw a protected first in the deal. I know it's tough to see the upside for the Sixers, but in the East, Knight seems to look better, and if he can return to similar numbers he had the last time he was in the East, his contract isn't too bad. Heck, they just gave JJ $23 million for one year, which is almost two years of Knight's contract. Oh well, a dream it will remain.

[No-Man]

Of Bender/Chriss/Ulis, Ulis could have the best career. Seriously.

Yes, any of them could. I expected him to look the best out of the gate and the younger guys to look a little more raw. Point guards usually seem to adjust the fastest anyway. But Chriss obviously had the most chance to get used to the NBA and improve, and he took advantage, so that was good to see. And too bad Bender got injured right around the time we benched vets to play the young guys.

I love Bender but even with physical improvmeent he needs to get more assertive and improve in terms of adapting his game to NBA speed.

Ulis could be 5'9 Mike Conley, I think he can be a starter and if I were PHX I'll trade Bled as soon s possible and start Ulis all year long.

[bwgood77]

Of Bender/Chriss/Ulis, Ulis could have the best career. Seriously.

Yes, any of them could. I expected him to look the best out of the gate and the younger guys to look a little more raw. Point guards usually seem to adjust the fastest anyway. But Chriss obviously had the most chance to get used to the NBA and improve, and he took advantage, so that was good to see. And too bad Bender got injured right around the time we benched vets to play the young guys.

I love Bender but even with physical improvmeent he needs to get more assertive and improve in terms of adapting his game to NBA speed.

Ulis could be 5'9 Mike Conley, I think he can be a starter and if I were PHX I'll trade Bled as soon s possible and start Ulis all year long.

I'd love it if you could become that. I think Conley is one of the smartest, most hard nosed, underrated, clutch point guards in the game.