Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 5

[suns91fan]

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One thing i dont miss about Dragic, such a lil' whiner.

C'mon man! Are you trying to say you had a better season than Wall/Oladipo/Beal/Lowery ??? 17/5/4 with a PER of 16 isnt setting the world on fire and doesnt make you a shoe in.

You want to be an all-star? Then put in the hard work and be the best player you can be and if you really have the skills and talent, then you will be playing in that game. Yeah, having a great season on a bad team doesnt make you an all-star, just like having a mediocre season on a great team doesnt.

Quit crying.

He had a good team record in both instances. Not sure why he said in the tweet that Suns record wasn't good enough back then. Team was something like 29-18 at the end of january that year. I can't say for certain but i think the Suns were hovering around 6th-7th seed at that time. So basically, it was a great season on a good team back then, and a mediocre season on a good team right now.

[Midnight_Suns]

4 players on the rising stars USA team are older than Booker. The Rising Stars event is of course below him at this point in his career but I found that interesting. He should have absolutely been an All-Star this year.

[darealjuice]

I just hope we get something for Monroe, even if it's a 2nd rounder. If we let him walk this summer and get nothing back, the Bled trade will look even worse.

It could happen, but I doubt it. We have little-to-no leverage; teams know that we will release him following the trade deadline if we don't get anything because he's been a professional about being here and deserves a shot to get on a playoff team. He's solid, but not enough of a difference maker for teams to start sending picks our way to ensure that they get him when they could get him "for free" after the deadline. Our best chance at getting an asset would be eating a bad contract, but I'm not sure we want to sacrifice cap flexibility with Booker's extension coming up.

I don't think letting him walk is that bad though. Cap space is an asset in this league, not a lot of teams have money to spend right now and that can be used to our advantage to attract another player if someone breaks out in the second half of the year and/or we make a big trade to make a playoff push next year.

[Walt_Uoob]

I wonder if Denver's pick is in play at all. Why not Monroe, MIA '18, and one or two SRPs for Faried and DEN '18? Like Frank, I really want to have a pick in that mid-first round range where we can be certain to get our favorite out of Shai, Milton, etc. For Denver, they save money, move down just a bit in the draft, and pick up a couple of seconds to fill out the end of their roster with low-cost guys.

Edit: just looked at the "Draft pick watch" thread and the standings and realized Denver and Miami's picks are much closer than I thought. Maybe we could still do it for the right to swap the MIA pick for the DEN pick though.

[BobbieL]

is Bjelica that much of an upgrade over Bender and Chris ??

I think Chandler and Dudley will be much more valuable at next year's deadline

Aldrich has a 2m buyout for 2019
Bjelica is a free agent

Suns would be getting 11m of cap space - if they feel like they need to do a max deal.

If they don't feel like they need money to get amax deal - like you state, they expire in a year

[WeekapaugGroove]

Again.... Why bother if you are not getting a player who fits in for the next 2-3 years, and I mean fits in as in contractually obligated without having to deal with FA bartering. Keep that cap space. Look around the league and you see many teams who got FA happy and crippled their flexibility. We are in a very good spot.

Just stand pat unless a smoking good deal falls in our lap. (isn't Skal a bit redundant?) No way would I deal our first pick, and Im real hesitant about moving Milw's/Miami's picks as they could be used to move up some or even land a decent PG prospect. This is our last year where being bad/abysmal could pay of. I really hope we can land one of Bagley/Ayton/Bamba/Jackson then follow it up with TBrown/Sexton/Milton/Duval/Shamat in those orders. Doncic and Porter are the wild cards that may alter this extremely
logical and economic plan It is imperative we get a top 5 pic, well... it would just make things so much easier. I really have no interest in Young. The length and speed of NBA will be a bothersome factor for him. No doubt the kid can crazy-chuck away, but we already have our mad bomber. I think Young has a dangerous down side...

I want length, D, attitude, and IQ. All of those later round PGs can shoot. I think the difference between the top 4 bigs and a late round big is much greater than the difference between Young and one of the late round PGs. Besides, like it or not, if Knight is still here (very likely) he will get every opportunity to lose the starting job.


PS... forgot about Skai G-A... he's in there too. I almost wish the season was over and we were into the combines

I'm 100% sure the old frank is locked in a closet somewhere and this is an imposter posting. We may need to call the police.

Agree 100% with this post.

[Kerrsed]

Again.... Why bother if you are not getting a player who fits in for the next 2-3 years, and I mean fits in as in contractually obligated without having to deal with FA bartering. Keep that cap space. Look around the league and you see many teams who got FA happy and crippled their flexibility. We are in a very good spot.

Just stand pat unless a smoking good deal falls in our lap. (isn't Skal a bit redundant?) No way would I deal our first pick, and Im real hesitant about moving Milw's/Miami's picks as they could be used to move up some or even land a decent PG prospect. This is our last year where being bad/abysmal could pay of. I really hope we can land one of Bagley/Ayton/Bamba/Jackson then follow it up with TBrown/Sexton/Milton/Duval/Shamat in those orders. Doncic and Porter are the wild cards that may alter this extremely
logical and economic plan It is imperative we get a top 5 pic, well... it would just make things so much easier. I really have no interest in Young. The length and speed of NBA will be a bothersome factor for him. No doubt the kid can crazy-chuck away, but we already have our mad bomber. I think Young has a dangerous down side...

I want length, D, attitude, and IQ. All of those later round PGs can shoot. I think the difference between the top 4 bigs and a late round big is much greater than the difference between Young and one of the late round PGs. Besides, like it or not, if Knight is still here (very likely) he will get every opportunity to lose the starting job.


PS... forgot about Skai G-A... he's in there too. I almost wish the season was over and we were into the combines

I'm 100% sure the old frank is locked in a closet somewhere and this is an imposter posting. We may need to call the police.

Agree 100% with this post.

I know, its weird isnt it??

[hollywood6964]

Again.... Why bother if you are not getting a player who fits in for the next 2-3 years, and I mean fits in as in contractually obligated without having to deal with FA bartering. Keep that cap space. Look around the league and you see many teams who got FA happy and crippled their flexibility. We are in a very good spot.

Just stand pat unless a smoking good deal falls in our lap. (isn't Skal a bit redundant?) No way would I deal our first pick, and Im real hesitant about moving Milw's/Miami's picks as they could be used to move up some or even land a decent PG prospect. This is our last year where being bad/abysmal could pay of. I really hope we can land one of Bagley/Ayton/Bamba/Jackson then follow it up with TBrown/Sexton/Milton/Duval/Shamat in those orders. Doncic and Porter are the wild cards that may alter this extremely
logical and economic plan It is imperative we get a top 5 pic, well... it would just make things so much easier. I really have no interest in Young. The length and speed of NBA will be a bothersome factor for him. No doubt the kid can crazy-chuck away, but we already have our mad bomber. I think Young has a dangerous down side...

I want length, D, attitude, and IQ. All of those later round PGs can shoot. I think the difference between the top 4 bigs and a late round big is much greater than the difference between Young and one of the late round PGs. Besides, like it or not, if Knight is still here (very likely) he will get every opportunity to lose the starting job.


PS... forgot about Skai G-A... he's in there too. I almost wish the season was over and we were into the combines

Here here!

[darealjuice]

The 180 degree flip in mentality from Frank this season has been the RealGM Unexpected Story of the Year

Definitely agree with the vast majority of what he's saying though. Stand pat unless something too good to pass up comes our way, get a top pick, and let's start turning the page of this rebuild this offseason as a team with tons of youth/potential, a star in the making with Booker, plenty of cap space with the ability to create more, and multiple future draft picks available for the right price.

[Son of Ra]

I don't understand why anyone is in the slightest hopeful that we could trade Monroe for value other than facilitating a trade as a third team. For years Detroit, then Milwaukee now us have been trying to trade him and for years nobody has shown any interest whatsoever.
Why would anyone expect that to change all of a sudden?

[Kerrsed]

I don't understand why anyone is in the slightest hopeful that we could trade Monroe for value other than facilitating a trade as a third team. For years Detroit, then Milwaukee now us have been trying to trade him and for years nobody has shown any interest whatsoever.
Why would anyone expect that to change all of a sudden?

Because we arent trading him for what he provides on the floor, we would be trading him for what he provides OFF the floor, which is $19M in cap savings!

Thats a lot, and there are plenty of teams out there that arnt where they want to be and are hobbled by bad contracts. Thats why the Hornets are placing Kemba on the block, to help get them out of another bad contract or two. In cases like that, Monroe helps a lot!

[jcsunsfan]

I just hope we get something for Monroe, even if it's a 2nd rounder. If we let him walk this summer and get nothing back, the Bled trade will look even worse.

We get 17 million dollars. I am sure we could have traded Monroe long before this, but the return probably did not look nearly as attractive as that extra cap space.

[bwgood77]

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One thing i dont miss about Dragic, such a lil' whiner.

C'mon man! Are you trying to say you had a better season than Wall/Oladipo/Beal/Lowery ??? 17/5/4 with a PER of 16 isnt setting the world on fire and doesnt make you a shoe in.

You want to be an all-star? Then put in the hard work and be the best player you can be and if you really have the skills and talent, then you will be playing in that game. Yeah, having a great season on a bad team doesnt make you an all-star, just like having a mediocre season on a great team doesnt.

Quit crying.

He had a good team record in both instances. Not sure why he said in the tweet that Suns record wasn't good enough back then. Team was something like 29-18 at the end of january that year. I can't say for certain but i think the Suns were hovering around 6th-7th seed at that time. So basically, it was a great season on a good team back then, and a mediocre season on a good team right now.

He made 3rd team all nba that season. That's really better than making the all star team anyway.

[bwgood77]

I don't understand why anyone is in the slightest hopeful that we could trade Monroe for value other than facilitating a trade as a third team. For years Detroit, then Milwaukee now us have been trying to trade him and for years nobody has shown any interest whatsoever.
Why would anyone expect that to change all of a sudden?

Because we arent trading him for what he provides on the floor, we would be trading him for what he provides OFF the floor, which is $19M in cap savings!

Thats a lot, and there are plenty of teams out there that arnt where they want to be and are hobbled by bad contracts. Thats why the Hornets are placing Kemba on the block, to help get them out of another bad contract or two. In cases like that, Monroe helps a lot!

Only if you want to take on bad contracts, which I don't. That cap savings is a big reason that was the best deal. For OUR cap savings. If we could trade him and take a contract for a first, maybe, but not for a 2nd. And I wouldn't want to take back a contract longer than 1 year out for that first.

[Kerrsed]

I don't understand why anyone is in the slightest hopeful that we could trade Monroe for value other than facilitating a trade as a third team. For years Detroit, then Milwaukee now us have been trying to trade him and for years nobody has shown any interest whatsoever.
Why would anyone expect that to change all of a sudden?

Because we arent trading him for what he provides on the floor, we would be trading him for what he provides OFF the floor, which is $19M in cap savings!

Thats a lot, and there are plenty of teams out there that arnt where they want to be and are hobbled by bad contracts. Thats why the Hornets are placing Kemba on the block, to help get them out of another bad contract or two. In cases like that, Monroe helps a lot!

Only if you want to take on bad contracts, which I don't. That cap savings is a big reason that was the best deal. For OUR cap savings. If we could trade him and take a contract for a first, maybe, but not for a 2nd. And I wouldn't want to take back a contract longer than 1 year out for that first.

I look at it this way, If we could net say Kemba and Howard for Monroe and one of Chriss or Bender, I'd do it. Hell, if we could net Howard and a 1st for Monroe i'd do it.

Maybe even do something like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yb92trzn
Monroe/Chandler/Len/Bender for Walker/Howard/Williams

But i do understand that our best bet is to facilitate a 3 way with someone. Taking back a player or two that Team B doesnt want because they are already stocked up there or would put them over the roster limit. Might be able to snag an extra asset from Team A too for providing them with what Team B wants which is a huge expiring.

[jredsaz]

Those guys don't have any trade value. Booker and our first would be the minimum, and some other team would beat it. Probably the Celtics with Tatum, Brown and the Lakers or Kings first. That leaves them with Kyrie, Hayward and Horford...and Marcus Morris!...along with Kawhi.

But Pop would love Tatum and Brown who are both long two way players.

There is no way in hell the Celtics would let go of Both brown, tatum and a first for kawhi. No way.

You don't think that would make them better? I'm pretty sure they are about winning a championship now. It's not like Kawhi is old. He's 26 and the best defensive wing in the league...probably the best defensive player in the league and still can avg 25 a season, hit 3, boards, lead the league in steals, etc. I mean he's pretty much a top 5 player. He's basically untradable. I don't think the Spurs would trade him but if they did it would take something like that.

Brown, Tatum, and Ayton or Bamba is too much to give up, even for Kawhi.

[bwgood77]

There is no way in hell the Celtics would let go of Both brown, tatum and a first for kawhi. No way.

You don't think that would make them better? I'm pretty sure they are about winning a championship now. It's not like Kawhi is old. He's 26 and the best defensive wing in the league...probably the best defensive player in the league and still can avg 25 a season, hit 3, boards, lead the league in steals, etc. I mean he's pretty much a top 5 player. He's basically untradable. I don't think the Spurs would trade him but if they did it would take something like that.

Brown, Tatum, and Ayton or Bamba is too much to give up, even for Kawhi.

I seriously doubt they get Ayton or Bamba. Though luck shines on them so the Lakers will probably finish with the 8th worst record and win the number 2 pick in the lottery and they will take Ayton and we will look at it and say "Damn, we trade Ayton for Knight!"

[batsmasher]

Len's "sore ankle" is pretty conveniently timed to give our two vet centers the minutes to showcase their skills before the deadline.

[NavLDO]

kyrie was an all-star in those sorry pre-LeBron teams

Likely due to Kyrie being the #1 Overall pick a couple of years back, plus him being the leading scoring PG in the East. Booker has none of these things going for him.

But if he was less prolific all the way around, yet was on the Warriors, he could be in the game, too, with Klay...

But, naw...it's not a popularity contest or anything....

[sunsbum]

I don't understand why anyone is in the slightest hopeful that we could trade Monroe for value other than facilitating a trade as a third team. For years Detroit, then Milwaukee now us have been trying to trade him and for years nobody has shown any interest whatsoever.
Why would anyone expect that to change all of a sudden?

Yea hes not worth 17 a year but hes a pretty solid player, you have to give him that. I think he would fit nice with the spurs or maybe even give the raptors a nice little boost. Fingers crossed for another 2nd.