NBA Draft 2024

[bwgood77]

Is there a big difference between a guy like Dunn and Mattise Thybulle?

Seems like another guy other teams can double off to trap Booker, KD and Beal.

That's probably a pretty good comp. He's one of the best defenders, however he did shoot 30.5% from 3 in college and over 85% from the line and now he is 34.6% from 3 and 76% from the line. So he still came in much better as a shooter.

Guys who can't hit a 3 but show to be a good FT shooter usually indicates they can probably improve 3pt shooting, but 53% from the line. It will be tough. I would have obviously rather gotten a guy with a lot higher floor who you could play immediately, high iq, can shoot, is a better defender than advertised (always in the right place) and can finish and make others better. Some her compare him to Jerome or McConnell but he was by far the best PG in the country this year, kind of like Brunson was. They have the same leadership skills but obviously he is a better scorer and not as good of a passer. But, he also slipped to the second round.

I hope Kolek's agent can somehow make him slip down to us since the dollar amounts in the second round are not set and a guy drafted in the 50s can make the same as a guy drafted early 30s.

[bwgood77]

It seems like Dunn is the high work ethic/energy/everywhere pick and just for that I'm happy with it. This team needs heart and soul. Period. Players feed off that. Maybe he can get some transition baskets and can cut to the rim. Offense can come.

I want someone actually happy to be in Phoenix. Someone who's actually gonna **** play. The "stars" we have now don't give a **** and it shows.

Let Dunn light a fire under their asses and the whole franchise if that's who he is. If this makes the team slightly more watchable I'm for it.

Now don't do anything ridiculous and bring the LeYuan James circus around this franchise. You don't solve Stage V cancer by just taking vials of cancer and injecting it straight into your bloodstream.

I love his high energy and love his steals/blocks and ability to guard multiple positions. I just hope he can develop enough offense to get on the floor on a team that wants to make the playoffs.

[bwgood77]

I see a lot of people talking about how Dunn needs to develop his three point shot, however I hope that our coaching staff can utilize him in more creative ways.

Dunn is reportedly good at cutting to the basket and finishing around the rim. He has the length of a power forward so should be able to finish over most defenders.

If our strategy on offense is to just camp anyone not named Booker, KD or Beal around the three point line and bomb away open threes, then why even have a coaching staff. I can come up with that. We need to run plays that play into our player's strengths.

Look, I wrote extensively about the list of guys I'd have taken at #22. My favourite pick was actually DaRon Holmes.

I also said specifically that I wouldn't draft Dunn because of his egregious shot, but I think people need to appreciate how special of a defensive prospect he is. He isn't Thybulle or just a larger Okogie. He's a DPOY calibre prospect. I'd compare him with Mobley, AD, Marion, Kirilenko in the type of prospect he is. Sam Vecenie literally called him the best defensive player he's seen in a decade.

If he could shoot (or do anything offensively), he'd have been the #1 pick in this draft.

Yeah, his shooting will likely suck forever. But he's going to give us some electrifying moments. THAT's worth getting behind.

And Fwiw, just to be hopeful, a few things:

1. His high school tape showed a lot more promise for him offensively. Some flashes of dribbling, self-creation and passing that you didn't see in college. Tony Bennett at Virginia is notorious for running a very rigid offensive scheme.

2. He's an excellent cutter and finisher. Took 60% of his shots at the rim, and converted 69% (outstanding number for a wing). Isn't just athletic and explosive with his dunks, but he's very good at timing his cuts and slips. So while he won't shoot in year 1, look for him to generate points on lobs, screens and cuts - he's already very good at this.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/analysis/grading-phoenix-suns-first-round-moves

Dunn is a high-impact defender and phenomenal athlete that can slot into a rotational spot right away to play crucial minutes as a POA (point of attack) defender with hope that the offensive game will develop at the next level.

First-Round Grade: A-
The Suns traded down, added more flexibility moving forward, and got the prospect they were likely the highest on. The Suns also have an opportunity to move up and get a prospect they like this afternoon - so stay tuned.

Shhhhhh. We're in the "hate anything the Suns do" mode now. Don't ruin that with positivity. Shhhhhh.

Seriously, no matter who was taken certain guys here would bash us. If somehow we had managed to get Sarr for a 2031 SRP, posters here would find a way to crap on it.

A lot of these dudes don't even watch college ball. Dunn was a good and needed pick for the team.

There have always been different opinions on who we should have drafted. We will see. We know what he can do defensively and that he can dunk on the fast break, and if he's not guarded he should be able to cut and get some easy baskets, but he isn't likely to get too many minutes, and won't be playing in crunch time unless we are trying to protect a lead at the end (which, I guess we really could have used this year).

But even you were higher on Filipowski.

[bwgood77]

Well, like I said Thybulle isn't a good comparison because he can't be used as a cutter or in the dunker spot because he can't finish at the rim with authority like Ryan Dunn.

At 6'5 Thybulle would need to score over 40% from three to be solid on offense because he isn't a lob threat or a crazy finisher in transition.

I want to give you an example...Derrick Jones Jr doesn't "need" to be that good at the 3p line to be useful on offense because he adds other stuff to his team with his athleticism, height and length.

Was Derrick Jones Jr a first round pick?

He was undrafted, every player has his own path.

Herb Jones was #35 and OG Anunoby was #23, so you can say that Dunn being picked at #28 makes a lot of sense taking into account his NBA comparisons.

Plus it's a bad draft.

[bwgood77]

I'm still hoping to trade Nurk to OKC's cap space as they still have no big. I'll take whatever they wanna give for him. Then we can use Ishbia's $$$$ to buy a SRP in the top of this draft and get Flip.

Also, I think that dude we hired from the Nets had more to do with the clever trade down we did yesterday then JJ. Forgot the guy's name but I'll bet he helped alot there.

His name is Matt Tellem, and he would tell you it is not legal for the team to send cash in a trade so buying a 2nd is off the table.

Also, I believe the days of buying 2nd round picks are over. Teams can trade them for a future protected 2nd at the minimum as they are so much more valuable now with these aprons.

We could very well move up by using a 2nd or two that we acquired by moving down (along with 56). Teams with a lot of young prospects like OKC or SA may be ok moving to the end or out of the 2nd round. The Spurs have two second rounders and they already traded a first for a pick way into the future.

[bwgood77]

I think the very high end comp would be Kirililenko, though he'd have to become a better FT shooter and passer to get there. But defensively. Same size, can do everything defensively, etc.

[Slim Charless]

I see a lot of people talking about how Dunn needs to develop his three point shot, however I hope that our coaching staff can utilize him in more creative ways.

Dunn is reportedly good at cutting to the basket and finishing around the rim. He has the length of a power forward so should be able to finish over most defenders.

If our strategy on offense is to just camp anyone not named Booker, KD or Beal around the three point line and bomb away open threes, then why even have a coaching staff. I can come up with that. We need to run plays that play into our player's strengths.

Look, I wrote extensively about the list of guys I'd have taken at #22. My favourite pick was actually DaRon Holmes.

I also said specifically that I wouldn't draft Dunn because of his egregious shot, but I think people need to appreciate how special of a defensive prospect he is. He isn't Thybulle or just a larger Okogie. He's a DPOY calibre prospect. I'd compare him with Mobley, AD, Marion, Kirilenko in the type of prospect he is. Sam Vecenie literally called him the best defensive player he's seen in a decade.

If he could shoot (or do anything offensively), he'd have been the #1 pick in this draft.

Yeah, his shooting will likely suck forever. But he's going to give us some electrifying moments. THAT's worth getting behind.

And Fwiw, just to be hopeful, a few things:

1. His high school tape showed a lot more promise for him offensively. Some flashes of dribbling, self-creation and passing that you didn't see in college. Tony Bennett at Virginia is notorious for running a very rigid offensive scheme.

2. He's an excellent cutter and finisher. Took 60% of his shots at the rim, and converted 69% (outstanding number for a wing). Isn't just athletic and explosive with his dunks, but he's very good at timing his cuts and slips. So while he won't shoot in year 1, look for him to generate points on lobs, screens and cuts - he's already very good at this.

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/analysis/grading-phoenix-suns-first-round-moves

Shhhhhh. We're in the "hate anything the Suns do" mode now. Don't ruin that with positivity. Shhhhhh.

Seriously, no matter who was taken certain guys here would bash us. If somehow we had managed to get Sarr for a 2031 SRP, posters here would find a way to crap on it.

A lot of these dudes don't even watch college ball. Dunn was a good and needed pick for the team.

There have always been different opinions on who we should have drafted. We will see. We know what he can do defensively and that he can dunk on the fast break, and if he's not guarded he should be able to cut and get some easy baskets, but he isn't likely to get too many minutes, and won't be playing in crunch time unless we are trying to protect a lead at the end (which, I guess we really could have used this year).

But even you were higher on Filipowski.

I was. However, my stated #1 desire was to add both as i feel they are ceiling raisers in their respective sides of focus (offense and defense). The 2 combined would be massive. Provided Bud plays his rookies.

I disagree about his minutes too. He'll play.

[RaisingArizona]

Okogie and Dunn cannot play together like ever. Thinking this means Okogie is gone

This is correct. Would be playing 3 on 5 on offense

Oh boy - going to be interesting what happens today

I am sure Okogie has been in the gym every day working on his shot. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s respectable by next season

He's what mid 20's by how? He is what he is.

[RaisingArizona]

Read on Twitter

Just another guy we got 10 years too late

[bwgood77]

So the Jazz get Cody Williams, Collier and Filipowski. Not bad.

[Crives]

Might be able to trade for Kolek here with blazers

[bwgood77]

The Bucks could take Kolek....they don't have much PG depth and their PGs are very old.

[Crives]

Kolek to knicks for 3 seconds

[starbosa10]

Kolek to knicks for 3 seconds

We should've been all over that

[Crives]

Dang I liked Nunez, good pickup for the spurs

[Young gun 6]

Of course Knicks get Kolek.

[bwgood77]

Shhhhhh. We're in the "hate anything the Suns do" mode now. Don't ruin that with positivity. Shhhhhh.

Seriously, no matter who was taken certain guys here would bash us. If somehow we had managed to get Sarr for a 2031 SRP, posters here would find a way to crap on it.

A lot of these dudes don't even watch college ball. Dunn was a good and needed pick for the team.

There have always been different opinions on who we should have drafted. We will see. We know what he can do defensively and that he can dunk on the fast break, and if he's not guarded he should be able to cut and get some easy baskets, but he isn't likely to get too many minutes, and won't be playing in crunch time unless we are trying to protect a lead at the end (which, I guess we really could have used this year).

But even you were higher on Filipowski.

I was. However, my stated #1 desire was to add both as i feel they are ceiling raisers in their respective sides of focus (offense and defense). The 2 combined would be massive. Provided Bud plays his rookies.

I disagree about his minutes too. He'll play.

I think he will get minutes due to our lack of depth, but not really crunch time minutes or impactful minutes unless we are up like 4 with 30 second left or something.

Ultimately I wanted a defensive C or PG but I'm ok with Dunn. Givony had him ranked only a few spots below Kolek.

[Crives]

38 and 40 are probably for sale

[bwgood77]

Of course Knicks get Kolek.

Yeah, I knew they were a team that might want him. They have great defense but I was hearing they really wanted someone who could distribute since Brunson was more of a scoring guard. Kolek should get some minutes pretty quickly on a team that could be top 2 in the east.

[SkyBill40]

Damn it. We had our chance and as usual, Jones dribbles the ball off his foot and out of bounds.