The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

[KLEON]

Having Monte Morris is like not having a point guard but having one just to say we have one so the analysts stop saying we need one

I always thought he was a combo guard but anyways if he can play like the Denver Monte I'll be greatful

[Maze]

If Dunn magically develops a shot by end of season

PG: Book / Monte
SG: Allen / Beal / Okogie
SF: Dunn / Oneal
PF: KD / Bol
C: Nurk / Plum / Oso

This is probably the most talented suns roster we have ever had. Just need Bud to make it work.. really hope Beal takes a ginobli 6th man role, mostly to reduce minutes ad stay healthier throughout the season.

He's already working on things man!

Read on Twitter

He's not missing much if any shots in this clip and his mechanics and form look pretty clean too! I keep telling people his shot is gonna improve.

He kinda looks like a young Ron Artest right here.

[garrick]

Jumpers in a gym is meaningless.

Ben Simmons always puts out workout vids of him nailing 3's in practice but this never translates to better shooting during games.

[carey]

Jumpers in a gym is meaningless.

Ben Simmons always puts out workout vids of him nailing 3's in practice but this never translates to better shooting during games.

I'm dying to know how you envision players getting better at shooting? Is it your assertion you can only improve during games? I think drills are the #1 way you improve at shooting. If it were only playing time people wouldn't really improve that much. Especially rookies that won't get much time to start.

[Bogyo]

OK with Morris, a better bench PG than we had last year. I actually like GoKs plan of Covington and Theiss - although I'm not sure they would both come for the min. But both are better than what we had last year or what we have now (nothing/Little/Roddy).
After that, let Roddy go, and wait for the last unsigned guy - there will be an Oubre this year... if its Tyus then we are happy.

[Saberestar]

Beal, Monte
Book, Allen
Royce, Dunn
KD, Bol
Nurkic, Plumlee

Allen as a 6th man.

[Qwigglez]

If Dunn magically develops a shot by end of season

PG: Book / Monte
SG: Allen / Beal / Okogie
SF: Dunn / Oneal
PF: KD / Bol
C: Nurk / Plum / Oso

This is probably the most talented suns roster we have ever had. Just need Bud to make it work.. really hope Beal takes a ginobli 6th man role, mostly to reduce minutes ad stay healthier throughout the season.

He's already working on things man!

Read on Twitter

He's not missing much if any shots in this clip and his mechanics and form look pretty clean too! I keep telling people his shot is gonna improve.

He was practicing for four hours yesterday and they condensed his made shots into only one minute.

His release is still a little slow and a bit low. He doesn't look bad though.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Jumpers in a gym is meaningless.

Ben Simmons always puts out workout vids of him nailing 3's in practice but this never translates to better shooting during games.

In these videos man, what you're looking for as indicators towards improvement is form, mechanics, fluidity etc. When you watch his shooting, it's not like he's clanking shots or even banking it off the backboard either. The arch is great, the form is solid, heck, his shots are so clean that he's not even hitting the rim. They're all net.

Also it's not like he's just standing there in an empty gym and hoisting up shots. He's being guarded and shooting I'm the flow of the game. Whether in an nba game context or in a practice gym, getting good shots in motion or on the move or off picks, etc are important for muscle memory development and repetition based improvements..

I mean heck man. This is how the nba players work on there games after all. Even Booker, Beal and Durant themselves get runs in for game development. Are those contextually meaningless too? Pattern recognition here my friend.

[Crives]

If Dunn magically develops a shot by end of season

PG: Book / Monte
SG: Allen / Beal / Okogie
SF: Dunn / Oneal
PF: KD / Bol
C: Nurk / Plum / Oso

This is probably the most talented suns roster we have ever had. Just need Bud to make it work.. really hope Beal takes a ginobli 6th man role, mostly to reduce minutes ad stay healthier throughout the season.

He's already working on things man!

Read on Twitter

He's not missing much if any shots in this clip and his mechanics and form look pretty clean too! I keep telling people his shot is gonna improve.

He was practicing for four hours yesterday and they condensed his made shots into only one minute.

His release is still a little slow and a bit low. He doesn't look bad though.

Just keep practicing

[Crives]

Stay in the gym…. No Ayton 2k quotes please

[Ghost of Kleine]

If Dunn magically develops a shot by end of season

PG: Book / Monte
SG: Allen / Beal / Okogie
SF: Dunn / Oneal
PF: KD / Bol
C: Nurk / Plum / Oso

This is probably the most talented suns roster we have ever had. Just need Bud to make it work.. really hope Beal takes a ginobli 6th man role, mostly to reduce minutes ad stay healthier throughout the season.

He's already working on things man!

Read on Twitter

He's not missing much if any shots in this clip and his mechanics and form look pretty clean too! I keep telling people his shot is gonna improve.

He was practicing for four hours yesterday and they condensed his made shots into only one minute.

His release is still a little slow and a bit low. He doesn't look bad though.

Sure, that's really not all that uncommon man. The shooting coaches will often create segments on shooting practices to review with players in live action scenarios or in empty gym scenarios to go over the mechanics, form and follow through instances to show the developing player/ players what areas they're doing better at and putting emphasis on the form and key improvement areas.

They also segment the bad shots too of course to show the players what key areas or motions need to be modified. Both are important to show areas to focus on. Just like watching game tape. I'm thrilled to see/ know 2 things:

1- Dunns' shooting form and mechanics are consistent and fluid and not broken or severely unbalanced.

2- The fact that Dunn is showing that level of commitment to improving his areas of concern are huge factors to significant benchmark improvements over time.

Both are grey good indicators of solid likelihood of meeting reasonable goals rather than a player that doesn't even try to improve or isn't willing to put the work in.

[Mulhollanddrive]

150 players shot under 33% from 3 last year

Someone's got to do it

[collidingNeurons]

my thoughts on off season so far, we are minimally better and still not particularly close to being able to compete with the best teams and without trading either Booker or KD there's no real path to changing the trajectory

[Mulhollanddrive]

Our roster is essentially the same

The hope is it was coaching, Vogel couldn't run an offense and didn't have defensive talent to maximise his scheme

We still don't have a PG for the majority of the game, it's inevitable Morris will get a run at starter at some stage to see how it looks

[Saberestar]

Our roster is essentially the same

The hope is it was coaching, Vogel couldn't run an offense and didn't have defensive talent to maximise his scheme

We still don't have a PG for the majority of the game, it's inevitable Morris will get a run at starter at some stage to see how it looks

This offseason isn't finished yet but we have already make great adjustments.

1) Better coaching. Mike Budenholzer.
2) Better backup C. Mason Plumlee.
3) Adding a PG with great AST/OT numbers. Monte Morris.
4) Adding an athletic defensive wing. Ryan Dunn.
5) Retain Royce O'Neal and Bol Bol.

[garrick]

Jumpers in a gym is meaningless.

Ben Simmons always puts out workout vids of him nailing 3's in practice but this never translates to better shooting during games.

In these videos man, what you're looking for as indicators towards improvement is form, mechanics, fluidity etc. When you watch his shooting, it's not like he's clanking shots or even banking it off the backboard either. The arch is great, the form is solid, heck, his shots are so clean that he's not even hitting the rim. They're all net.

Also it's not like he's just standing there in an empty gym and hoisting up shots. He's being guarded and shooting I'm the flow of the game. Whether in an nba game context or in a practice gym, getting good shots in motion or on the move or off picks, etc are important for muscle memory development and repetition based improvements..

I mean heck man. This is how the nba players work on there games after all. Even Booker, Beal and Durant themselves get runs in for game development. Are those contextually meaningless too? Pattern recognition here my friend.

I would just temper your excitement just because he can make 3's during scrimmages.

My point is even the worst NBA player can hit 3's in non game situations so I won't have much expectation from Dunn until we see it happen during games.

If he can hit a decent clip in G league games I would take that as a metric that he has hope as a shooter, until then I am not expecting much.

[Puff]

How about Trendon Watford?

Should be more than gettable for the minimum. Adds size to the PF rotations.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I shoot around 50% from FT like Dunn, maybe I just need a nice video to make the team.

[sunsbg]

Morris is a nice signing as long as he's in shape and stays healthy. Read he's gained 25 lbs last year. Especially liking his low TOs, it's God sent for this team.

Saric had a TD in Olympic qualifiers and apparently is not signed. Would've been a nice get on cheap contract too, but I guess PF/C rotation is pretty much set.

[Saberestar]

I shoot around 50% from FT like Dunn, maybe I just need a nice video to make the team.

Ryan Dunn just attempted 99 FTs in college, that's an small sample size.

Yeah, he just improved from 50 (freshman) to 53.2 (sophomore) but watching his release form and knowing that he is hard worker I seriously doubt that he will not score over 60% of his FTs already in Summer League.