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IF Lopez is done... 

Post#1 » by Qwigglez » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:30 am

Since we have a good amount of time before our next game lets consider our rotation if Lopez is out for the season or possibly the playoffs.

I think we should just start Frye again. Collins is just too slow and is simply just not as useful as Lopez or Frye. I think as much as you guys think Frye is useless on defense he makes up for it on the offensive end (most of the time). We should just have Amundson and Clark come in for our bigs off the bench now and only use Collins in certain scenarios. I'm not going to put that D-Leaguer in any type of rotation minutes because he hasn't done anything to prove he will be a valuable asset for the team. However, I believe we will see him against the Spurs and from that game we can see how much talent he can provide for us.

Clark has really stepped it up since going to the D-League. I really didn't think the D-League would actually benefit him but it obviously has by the way he has been performing since then. He could prove to be a useful weapon and quite the gem for the playoff run. The Mavs have been using their rookie Beaubois even though he is only 6 foot tall and they already have three other point guard type bodies (Kidd, Terry, Barea).

Anyway I'd like to see Clark get more meaningful playing time while we have Nash. He could be another surprise of this season. What do you guys think?
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Post#2 » by harshey1388 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:35 am

im down with starting frye since 3 outta the 5 games are home games. it sounds stupid but earlier in the season the only time i had a problem with frye seemed to be when we had away games cuz he was horrid on the road (overall) so if his offense gets us going in those home games im happy with starting him. i feel like collins can be useful but not in a starting role.
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Post#3 » by ma_falaa_50 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:36 am

if lopez is done then Amare needs to play a lot better than he has ever played. he has played great but he needs to play like an MvP. we cant beat SA, DENVER, and Utah if he chose to play listless like he played tonight.
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Post#4 » by Qwigglez » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:38 am

harshey1388 wrote:im down with starting frye since 3 outta the 5 games are home games. it sounds stupid but earlier in the season the only time i had a problem with frye seemed to be when we had away games cuz he was horrid on the road (overall) so if his offense gets us going in those home games im happy with starting him. i feel like collins can be useful but not in a starting role.

Agreed. I forgot about Frye being really good at home for some reason, lol. I think our bench has plenty of firepower without him for now...
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Post#5 » by DBrimstone » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:38 am

Qwigglez wrote:Since we have a good amount of time before our next game lets consider our rotation if Lopez is out for the season or possibly the playoffs.

I think we should just start Frye again. Collins is just too slow and is simply just not as useful as Lopez or Frye. I think as much as you guys think Frye is useless on defense he makes up for it on the offensive end (most of the time). We should just have Amundson and Clark come in for our bigs off the bench now and only use Collins in certain scenarios. I'm not going to put that D-Leaguer in any type of rotation minutes because he hasn't done anything to prove he will be a valuable asset for the team. However, I believe we will see him against the Spurs and from that game we can see how much talent he can provide for us.

Clark has really stepped it up since going to the D-League. I really didn't think the D-League would actually benefit him but it obviously has by the way he has been performing since then. He could prove to be a useful weapon and quite the gem for the playoff run. The Mavs have been using their rookie Beaubois even though he is only 6 foot tall and they already have three other point guard type bodies (Kidd, Terry, Barea).

Anyway I'd like to see Clark get more meaningful playing time while we have Nash. He could be another surprise of this season. What do you guys think?

agreed. Collin's is a nice guy and all but he's not fast or strong enough to go with his IQ and work ethic. Great practice guy/mentor but just not a good player. We'll see what this Jone kid has to offer but I'd feel more comfortable giving Lopez's 25 to Lou and Clark. An extra 5 to 10 for Lou, the rest to Clark. When Clark's in, Amare will have to be center, but that's nothing new for him, and his low post scoring has suddenly gotten efficient
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Post#6 » by hunterxaz » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:51 am

We need to see what this new D-Leaguer can do. Playing Clark in the stretch / playoffs is basically throwing up a white flag. Lopez will be back soon enough anyway. They said his rehab is going well and that he's not feeling the pain in his legs.
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Post#7 » by Qwigglez » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:54 am

Where did you hear that Hunter?
Playing Clark is not a white flag, lol. He had a good contribution in tonight's game and I think up until this point he was just lacking confidence like Dragic and Lopez were.
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Post#8 » by sunsfever68 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:56 am

You're really funny. You say you've watched the NBA for 18 years? Pretty sure most us fans would rather see Clark than a random D leaguer who knows nothing of the team and isn't as good as Clark and doesn't have that much talent. How do you hate on Clark when he performs like he did tonight? give the guy a chance.
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Post#9 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 3:59 am

I'm not sure starting Frye in the playoffs is going to work but Collins starting hasn't worked so far so we really don't have much choice. Starting Frye has had some varying success, especially against the lower teams, earlier in the season so that really is the only choice we have so I guess we'll just go with that and hope for the best. Not sure how bad Lopez's injury is but I've heard is debilitating and could take some time to heal for a normal person, so I'm not counting on Lopez coming back.
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Post#10 » by Miklo » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:00 am

Dunno about the rotation, I cringe at Frye starting. His numbers are fine but its all about his role. When he starts we just have a chuckfest but even though Frye "spreads the floor" its harder to establish an inside game for Amare. I start Amundson next game and give him and Frye big minutes. Cut Collins out for now and give Jones some minutes if we can afford to in these next few games.
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Post#11 » by hunterxaz » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:02 am

Qwigglez wrote:Where did you hear that Hunter?
Playing Clark is not a white flag, lol. He had a good contribution in tonight's game and I think up until this point he was just lacking confidence like Dragic and Lopez were.


Article on AZCentral

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/PaulCoro/77441

Lopez will begin light rehabilitation Monday. He had an epidural injection this week to treat his bulging disk's swelling and is improving.


Yeah! And:

"He's fine," Brook said when asked how Robin is handling the bulging disk that will sideline him until at least April 12. "He seems all right. I think he's mentally all right. He's working already to get back in.

"There isn't too much discomfort in his legs."


sunsfever68 wrote:You're really funny. You say you've watched the NBA for 18 years? Pretty sure most us fans would rather see Clark than a random D leaguer who knows nothing of the team and isn't as good as Clark and doesn't have that much talent. How do you hate on Clark when he performs like he did tonight? give the guy a chance.


I don't hate Clark, I really like him! I just don't think he's ready to contribute when we're playing good ball. Giving him garbage minutes is ok, but when we're clicking offensively and in-sync it's not worth ruining that chemistry. Tonight was a fluke.

Besides, we need a Center -- a true Center.
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Post#12 » by impulsenine » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:03 am

I'll give Gentry credit for one thing: He gave Collins about as good a chance as the man could have possibly asked for.

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Post#13 » by ma_falaa_50 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:04 am

the suns need to play with energy and unfortunately thats what lopez brought. I think its hard to replicate that with channing. I really do not like Collins he sux.
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Post#14 » by DBrimstone » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:07 am

ma_falaa_50 wrote:the suns need to play with energy and unfortunately thats what lopez brought. I think its hard to replicate that with channing. I really do not like Collins he sux.

He's a leader when it comes to the defensive end. Some players just inspire others to play better defense. I doubt he says anything, but it's like with him in, everyone else feels invincible defensively, so they play better. I miss him :-?
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Post#15 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:09 am

impulsenine wrote:I'll give Gentry credit for one thing: He gave Collins about as good a chance as the man could have possibly asked for.

Start Frye.


I expected more from Collins, through his defense and not stats, but I guess I was wrong about him. But it's true, I give Gentry props for not going straight into panic mode and made us a 3PT chucking team again with Frye in the starting lineup. I'd consider Lou starting next to Amare and we run! But I think Lou is better suited coming off the bench with his energy.

Basically, Frye in the starting lineup is really the last option because it's the way we were playing with him in the starting lineup that put us into that mid-season slump earlier.

I guess starting Frye is the only choice, which sucks quite frankly.
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Post#16 » by MarJJMar » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:12 am

Frye is too soft, he gets pushed by PG who look for contact when they drive.
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Post#17 » by DBrimstone » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:21 am

MarJJMar wrote:Frye is too soft, he gets pushed by PG who look for contact when they drive.

And he can't post up Kirk Hinrich
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Post#18 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:22 am

Those PG's attack him specifically because he's weak and they know 9 times out of 10 they are going to get a blocking foul on him.
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Post#19 » by blackjays1 » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:28 am

Starting Frye and having Jones as 10th man can't be any worse than Collins, that dude is playing HORRIBLE.
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Post#20 » by garrick » Sun Apr 4, 2010 4:40 am

Collins is only really good in 5 mins a game since he doesn't do anything well, all we really need is a athletic center that can rebound and block shots and play good D. Hopefully Jones can provide some of that.

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