What to do with our TPE/J-Rich Exp.

[DBrimstone]

Figured I'd move on from hating Lebron and talk about something Suns relevant. So we've got this 13.5 mil TPE and a 14.4 expiring. Thought I'd just hash out some ideas of who to get with it and why...

Real players to get to play might include-

Al Jefferson. Whether he doesn't fit or not, he's a legit post up player who rebounds and was picking up at the end of the year. We've slowed down in pace and I don't think he'd be all that big a problem when it comes to fit. We were ball watching when Amare had it every other possession anyways

David West. Not the greatest PF, but he's very good, and pretty cheap for what he produces. They'd probably want us to take Posey too though as NO is a cost cutting team at the moment. No possible way I'd take Okafor's contract

Josh Smith. Alvin Gentry's like the statue of liberty. Bring me your uncoachable, your unlikeable, your super athletic, your mounds of muscle... They're already shopping him after signing JJ's absurd contract.

Andre Iguodala. Because he's very good. Overpaid, but good.

Before saying "who do they get" just remember the terrible one sided-ness of these kinds of deals. The shedding team always gets screwed with returning assets.

Moving on. Bad contracts with draft picks attached/decent contracts

Beno Udrih
Baron Davis
Mehmet Okur (if he keeps staying injured)
Chris Anderson (if he keeps getting injured)
DaSagsna Diop
Boris Diaw (really, who signed him to that contract anyways?!)
Rip Hamilton
Antawn Jamison
Mo Williams
Jose Calderon
Jarret Jack
Elton Brand

None (except Anderson) longer than 3 years including this year, all teams that either have young talent or are gonna suck and have good draft picks. Young guys to be had like Gerrald Wallace, JJ Hickson, Demar Derozan (but we'd probably have to take more than Calderon), or Speights........ It's time to blow it up. I wouldn't object to trading Hill or Nash to a possible contender for more young talent/picks as well. With Miami's super team and the Lakers, there are no championships to be had for us for at least 4 or 5 years. Might as well get some young studs to develop on rookie contracts while these other crap contracts expire... We've got the TPE plus J-Rich plus a semi-tradeable LB. We could potentially make 2 big moves before the deadline. If Sarver doesn't do at least 1, I'll leave burning poop on his doorstep.

[MaryvalesFinest]

Anything that sends back first round picks would be nice

[Mr. Sun]

Nothing significant is going to happen until the next CBA gets worked out and after the labor stoppage. WYSIWYG for this season unless something really sensational presents itself.

[DirtyDez]

Al Jefferson - Yes. SSOL is done, get over it. He's got great post-moves and can rebound.

D-West - Sure. A bit undersized but our best post-defender and that 12 ft jumper is gold.

JJ - Not a big fan of the attitude but i'll take his talent every time.

Love Iggy.

Dark-horse... Kevin Love.

[sunskerr]

Any hope for chris paul?

[pidi]

chris paul?? alongside steve, mh, i don´t know but the only tradeable piece we have right now is barbosa. anyone think that any other team is willing to take him and give us a suoerb pf/c/sg??

don´t know but i think we are pretty much set for the next season.

[sunskerr]

Yeah I know we have Nash, and Dragic, but I mean, it's Chris Paul. If it had to come at the expense of trading Nash to the Hornets though, forget it. But he(Paul) is about as good a chemistry and skilled a player you'll ever meet. Great match for the Suns, you know he was born to play here.

[Kerrsed]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=27m75c5

[Nando88]

i would LOVE to get Big Al here, hey if we could run with shaq, im pretty sure with can do it with al jefferson, plus we ain't even running like how we used to

if they don't even look into getting big al, then sarver is a tard

[the_warden]

Boris Diaw. Let's repeat 2005

[Kerrsed]

What to do with the $16.5 million trade exception from the Amare Stoudemire sign-and-trade?
Posted by Mike Schmitz on July 8th, 7:06 pm

It certainly isn’t David Lee, but at least it’s better than nothing. As expected, the Phoenix Suns will receive a $16.5 million trade exception and a second-round draft pick in a sign-and-trade sending Amare Stoudemire to the New York Knicks, according to an ESPN report.

Soon after Amare verbally committed to joining the Knicks on a five-year, $100 million deal it was looking like the Suns were facing their worst nightmare — losing the five-time All-Star forward for nothing.

But Stoudemire, who was introduced to The Big Apple as a member of the Knicks Thursday morning, soon made it clear that he was aiming to help Phoenix in any way after eight seasons with the Suns.

In fact, Knicks president of basketball operations Donnie Walsh said in the ESPN report that New York did the sign-and-trade as a “courtesy to Amare, who didn’t want to leave Phoenix with nothing.”

STAT also took an $800,000 pay cut his first season by opting for the sign-and-trade, which will give the Suns that same amount in added cap space this offseason.

Although it isn’t a big-time free agent like Suns fans had hoped, this $16.5 million exception to the salary cap gives the Suns a ton of wiggle room this offseason. They will use an estimated $4 million on forward Hakim Warrick in a sign-and-trade with Chicago, leaving them with a $12.5 million exception to use at their discretion over the next 365 days, as it expires after one year.

So what will the Suns and owner Robert Sarver do with the $12.5 million exception? It’s hard to say at this point because the Suns are somewhat stuck between win-now and rebuilding mode, but here are a few options:

1. Sign-and-trade for a solid free agent

Because the trade exception is only good for a year, there really is no use in not putting it to use now. There’s more talent available now than there will be in the next couple of years, so the Suns might as well pounce.

The Suns were unable to lure David Lee, who just agreed to a sign-and-trade with the Warriors, so that leaves the Suns with a few other names that fit that financial description.

The Suns could go after a guy like Luis Scola, who would most likely cost right around the trade exception’s value. This would be a great pickup for the Suns, and if you look at it, Amare Stoudemire for Luis Scola really isn’t all that bad of a deal.

He isn’t a huge name, but he has the skills to be an All-Star and would fit nicely next to Robin Lopez down low. Another name that could be worth the exception is Richard Jefferson, who opted out of his final year with the Spurs that would have paid him $15.2 million.

It remains to be seen how realistic these scenarios could be, but Scola and Jefferson are the caliber players the Suns could land using the trade exception in a sign-and-trade.

2. Sign-and-trade for a few mid-level free agents

The Suns could use the exception in separate deals to garner a few decent players that would help fill the roster and make them somewhat-competitive now.

A guy like Kyle Korver comes to mind, who would fit great with the Suns and wouldn’t use up the whole exception. They could then turn to a Udonis Haslem or Al Harrington to add some depth and experience up front.

But it’s looking like the Suns are most likely trying to save money for next offseason, or snag a big-time guy now, so using the exception on a few decent guys that would take up cap space after next season probably won’t happen.

3. Use it in a trade for Al Jefferson

The Minnesota Timberwolves have been trying to move Al Jefferson and the $42 million he’s owed over the next three seasons. As he’s making $13 million next season, the Suns could trade only the trade exception for the big man and ride out the next three years of his contract.

Although he does have a hefty price tag, Jefferson has proven he can play at an All-Star level, and considering Steve Nash has two more years to go, the Suns could continue to win now, but wouldn’t be financially tied down when Nash hangs it up.

I’m not all that sure how viable of an option this is, but the T-Wolves want to move him and the Suns have the ability to deal practically nothing for him. And when J-Rich comes off of the books for $14.4 million after next season, the Suns won’t be agonizing over the $14 million they will owe Jefferson.

4. Use it to shed Leandro Barbosa’s contract

I have a feeling that the Suns are going to try to move Leandro Barbosa and the $14.7 million he’s owed over the next few seasons with this exception. Because LB makes $7.1 million next season, the Suns could theoretically package him with the $12.5 million exception to land an All-Star caliber player that the Suns could potentially build around.

But it’s looking like the Suns want cap room for next offseason, so they could possibly use LB and part of the exception to deal for an expiring contract. This would rid them of LB’s ugly contract, opening up an added $7.6 million that wouldn’t have been available otherwise. I feel that this may be the most realistic scenario.

5. Stand pat until the trade deadline or early next offseason

The Suns could very well hold onto the exception and use it during the season if they want a player who is on the block or they can swing a deal with a team that needs to cut costs. There are always those teams that fall out of the playoff race early, and the Suns could be the beneficiary of a big-time player on a team that’s simply going in a different direction.

Since it has a one-year life, the Suns could actually wait until the very beginning of next offseason and try to swing a sign-and-trade deal with the exception. This is a bit risky however, as the Suns would be on the clock.

It’s hard to say what the Suns will do with this trade exception, aside from using some of it on Warrick, but they have no shortage of options. So while Amare Stoudemire didn’t exactly return an All-Star caliber player to Phoenix, the huge trade exception the Suns received could eventually turn into that.

Read more: http://valleyofthesuns.com/2010/07/08/w ... z0tBIxfop2

[JMac1]

If Sarver gets Mad like Dan Gilbert and goes ALL IN.......


I don't want to wait. Frank knows I am optimistic. Get Al, Trade JRich for Iggy, pray Clark developes, trade LB to Nyk for cap space.

Nash
Iggy (guard Wade or Kobe)
Clark (guard James)
Al (Gasol or Bosh can't hold him)
Lopez (guard Bynum, dominate Mia big)

Bench

Dragic
Dudley
Hill
Warrick
Frye

If Iggy practice shooting threes and Clark (I want purely for defense at th SF) does what Dragic did and improves, heck this is a nice 1st and second unit.

[Nando88]

If Sarver gets Mad like Dan Gilbert and goes ALL IN.......


I don't want to wait. Frank knows I am optimistic. Get Al, Trade JRich for Iggy, pray Clark developes, trade LB to Nyk for cap space.

Nash
Iggy (guard Wade or Kobe)
Clark (guard James)
Al (Gasol or Bosh can't hold him)
Lopez (guard Bynum, dominate Mia big)

Bench

Dragic
Dudley
Hill
Warrick
Frye

If Iggy practice shooting threes and Clark (I want purely for defense at th SF) does what Dragic did and improves, heck this is a nice 1st and second unit.

sounds good to me... but it sounds too good so you know sarver won't do it.

[nevetsov]

You don't trade for Paul, you trade for West (borderline allstar, less than $9m per on 2 year deal) and then use him and Nash to recruit Paul in 2012 when they (Nash and Paul) both come off contract and Nash retires.

Paul
Dragic
Clark or Dudley
West
Lopez

Is one heckuva team in 2012.

[Sun Scorched]

Kerrsed, that article was rough....

I like Scola, but at the full TPE? No way.

And you can't package the TPE with a player as was suggested in that bit about Barbosa.

[Krush32]

Agree. Guy doesnt know what he's talking about. I say trade J-Rich for Gilbert Arenas and go small ball. I think Arenas has 3 yrs left on his contract, and I would rather have him then the injury waiting to happen Al Jefferson. Wizards have John Wall to replace Arenas already, and J-rich expires this upcoming year.

Btw, Kevin Love isnt a realistic option. 1. He doesnt make enough money for Minny to dump him, 2. He's better then Jefferson, 3. We dont have anything in equal value to him.

Sarver, please say no to Jefferson. We dont need any sea monsters on the team.

[JMac1]

Agree. Guy doesnt know what he's talking about. I say trade J-Rich for Gilbert Arenas and go small ball. I think Arenas has 3 yrs left on his contract, and I would rather have him then the injury waiting to happen Al Jefferson. Wizards have John Wall to replace Arenas already, and J-rich expires this upcoming year.

Btw, Kevin Love isnt a realistic option. 1. He doesnt make enough money for Minny to dump him, 2. He's better then Jefferson, 3. We dont have anything in equal value to him.

Sarver, please say no to Jefferson. We dont need any sea monsters on the team.

7 seconds or Jeff... We need some one to get points in the post. I looked at Jefferson's late season stats and he was balling..

[DBrimstone]

Gil's contract is too big and long. No way do I want him. Maybe for half the length and half the cost per year but his contract is crippling.

I like idea of 7 seconds or Jeff with Iggy as our starting 2 as well as David West to recruit Paul. You must remember though that Lee just took money in Golden State over slightly less money on a real team. I have no faith in free agency anymore

[Sun Scorched]

I like Igoudala, but I don't want to start him at the 2. He's a 3 in my mind.

That and we need Richardson's 3pt shooting on our starting unit. After some thought, I'm fine with riding out Richardson's contract (not trading it) and re-signing him to something around $8m per year. That's value in my opinion.

Send Barbosa to CLE for Moon & West. Waive West. Send the TPE to PHI for Igoudala, and then Moon for Green.

PG - Nash / Dragic
SG - Richardson / Dudley / Green
SF - Igoudala / Hill
PF - Warrick / Clark / Lawal
C - Lopez / Frye / Collins

That's not a bad rotation my friends. That's got some great defense and quality scoring on it.

[JMac1]

I like Igoudala, but I don't want to start him at the 2. He's a 3 in my mind.

That and we need Richardson's 3pt shooting on our starting unit. After some thought, I'm fine with riding out Richardson's contract (not trading it) and re-signing him to something around $8m per year. That's value in my opinion.

Send Barbosa to CLE for Moon & West. Waive West. Send the TPE to PHI for Igoudala, and then Moon for Green.

PG - Nash / Dragic
SG - Richardson / Dudley / Green
SF - Igoudala / Hill
PF - Warrick / Clark / Lawal
C - Lopez / Frye / Collins

That's not a bad rotation my friends. That's got some great defense and quality scoring on it.

I could go with that, But I want Clark at the 3. Clark is they only guy I can think of who could possibly guard James or Durant. lets see what he looks like at 3

Though we could just let JRich expire, trade LB and use the TPE for Al.

Nash/Dragic
Jrich/Dudley
Hill/Clark
Al/Hakim
Lopez/Frye

or

PG - Nash / Dragic
SG - Richardson / Dudley
SF - Igoudala / Hill
PF - Warrick / Clark
C - Lopez / Frye