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I thought that with Amare leaving, we'd see the Suns attempt to finally rebuild. However, after seeing the recent moves (Frye resigning, Warrick signing, Turkoglu/Childress coming to PHX) it seems like the Suns still want to contend. However, what team will we be able to beat with Turk at PF? This team lost its leading scorer and the best big man on the team, and hopes to beat a team like the Lakers, which you need big bodies to beat?

We lost to the Lakers this past postseason and one of the biggest reasons was because of their length and size inside, so we let Amare leave and we get even weaker inside?

This team's front office doesn't have a clue what it's doing. We're trying to contend with an even softer team than the previous year. Doesn't management realize that to win championships, you need defense? Why would you let the Suns get worse defensively?

And if we are going to rebuild soon, then why let the only legit building block on the team leave and keep the 37 year old guy whose soon to retire?

they're postponing any full-scale rebuilding effort until after nash retires. what's wrong with that?

Its a long summer man, go buy yourself a blowjob (shot of course ). Everyone knows we need length, you think the front office doesnt see that as well? You should postpone this ...errrrr post untill at least october.

you're looking way too deep into this. plain and simple, PHXs' top management team was not going to let this team fall off the face of the earth after the amare trade instead we'll "contend" for another year or two. the move to get Hedo is risky but if this guy can play like he did two years ago then we'll be alright.

TXSun wrote:you're looking way too deep into this. plain and simple, PHXs' top management team was not going to let this team fall off the face of the earth after the amare trade instead we'll "contend" for another year or two. the move to get Hedo is risky but if this guy can play like he did two years ago then we'll be alright.

winning 50 games and failing yet again in the playoffs is "alright"? we're postponing rebuilding for nash? this management and its fanbase seems to enjoy NOT winning titles. i for one would love for us to rebuild, get some young players, and be a crappy team for a few years until we get that franchise guy and we can be contenders again. these "band aid" fixes just prolong the rebuilding process

With the Spurs, Jazz, Mavs and Nuggets all likely to take a step backwards the time to go all in was right now and they just instead decided to take a step backwards by letting Amar'e walk while turning around and spending like they're going all in. It makes no sense what so ever to let Amar'e walk and not blow it up completely and rebuild.

They're.

I'm usually a realist when it comes to this sort of thing but even I think this has been a solid off season. The Suns just replaced the two lowest BBIQ and selfish players they had with high BBIQ and unselfish players. Barbosa was a nice guy but those were his faults and that's why he's on his way to Toronto now, also nothing wrong with selfish players that have all around skills of course but Amar'e just ain't that.

Hedo, Childress, Frye and Warrick. Hedo is an underated player, so is Childress. Frye is a unique player and probably the only guy in the league with his skillset, good or bad and Warrick is basically Amare lite, I agree that may have been a panic move. I will say one thing though, Instead of signing Warrick to that contract I would have used most of that cash to re-sign Lou and also bring Yuta Tabuse back...that's just me though. If that happened this off season so far would have been an A + instead of an A -

We are rebuilding but at the same time were staying competitive, if you want to be a fan of **** ownership guy follow the clippers. No longer can anyone say sarver is cheap or doesn't want to win cause they are way wrong and in my opinion hedo was a huge pick up, he's clutch, he's a playmaker and I think he's underrated as a defender example 2 years ago against lebron in east finals.

Looking at the roster I doubt the office is done making moves anyway we still have some good trade chips, and as far as wasting money on frye warrick and childress have you guys been seeing what type of money is getting thrown at bench players amir johnson and drew gooden both got 5 year 33 million dollar deals!!!! Sorry but I'll take frye childress and a very underrated warrick over that anyday, that's just the going rate right now

Inconspicuous wrote:

TXSun wrote:you're looking way too deep into this. plain and simple, PHXs' top management team was not going to let this team fall off the face of the earth after the amare trade instead we'll "contend" for another year or two. the move to get Hedo is risky but if this guy can play like he did two years ago then we'll be alright.

winning 50 games and failing yet again in the playoffs is "alright"? we're postponing rebuilding for nash? this management and its fanbase seems to enjoy NOT winning titles. i for one would love for us to rebuild, get some young players, and be a crappy team for a few years until we get that franchise guy and we can be contenders again. these "band aid" fixes just prolong the rebuilding process

With the Spurs, Jazz, Mavs and Nuggets all likely to take a step backwards the time to go all in was right now and they just instead decided to take a step backwards by letting Amar'e walk while turning around and spending like they're going all in. It makes no sense what so ever to let Amar'e walk and not blow it up completely and rebuild.

Another thread about this... Ugh. Let's be awful and completely unwatchable and HOOOOOOOPE that sometime in the next ten years of being awful and completely unwatchable that we'll get a decent player or two in the draft. Cause you know... look how that worked out when Kwame Brown and Adam Morrisson were drafted by teams 'rebuilding' by being completely awful. Totally good choices!

Youth =/= a sure thing in having a contender a few years down the road. You could enter the lottery and never make it back out. Suns will compete until Nash leaves. Dragic will play under Nash for 2 more years and get tons of experience. Dragic will take over for Nash. Hedo will blow his numbers up in the Suns system. Even if the Suns wanted to trade him and couldn't, he's an expiring contract a year after Nash retires. No big deal. There is already a great young core to build around in Dudley/Dragic/Clark(hopefully)/Lawal/Reynolds(if they pick him up and he plays like he did in Summer League today)/Frye is still pretty young, and his game grew toward the end of last season.

You don't always have to rebuild by being terrible. Its riskier than the way the Suns are rebuilding right now (and they are rebuilding, just not in the stupid way people want them to suck).

I know lol people want us to suck to get high picks and draft young talent like lebron and wade, like that talent is in every draft haha yeah you can just run onto those players whenever

Inconspicuous wrote:I thought that with Amare leaving, we'd see the Suns attempt to finally rebuild. However, after seeing the recent moves (Frye resigning, Warrick signing, Turkoglu/Childress coming to PHX) it seems like the Suns still want to contend. However, what team will we be able to beat with Turk at PF? This team lost its leading scorer and the best big man on the team, and hopes to beat a team like the Lakers, which you need big bodies to beat?

We lost to the Lakers this past postseason and one of the biggest reasons was because of their length and size inside, so we let Amare leave and we get even weaker inside?

This team's front office doesn't have a clue what it's doing. We're trying to contend with an even softer team than the previous year. Doesn't management realize that to win championships, you need defense? Why would you let the Suns get worse defensively?

And if we are going to rebuild soon, then why let the only legit building block on the team leave and keep the 37 year old guy whose soon to retire?

The key thing here is that it's obvious you have very detailed inside information on the exact plan the Suns have in place. Because you are in the Suns decision making "inner-circle" you can accurately declare they have no clue what they are doing. If they would only listen to you things would be far better for the Suns.

Come on man. How can you get on here and declare all of this when there is a lot of offseason left ad you have no idea what the Suns plan to do?

There is no way we are going to rebuild with Nash on the team. Sure we had a good chance to rebuild this off-season but I don't think with Nash on the Suns that they are just going to give up and blow the team up. That ain't happening.

Inconspicuous wrote:This team's front office doesn't have a clue what it's doing. We're trying to contend with an even softer team than the previous year. Doesn't management realize that to win championships, you need defense? Why would you let the Suns get worse defensively?

And if we are going to rebuild soon, then why let the only legit building block on the team leave and keep the 37 year old guy whose soon to retire?

Getting rid of Barbosa and replacing him with Josh Childress can only be an upgrade in defense. so yes, maybe they do realize that you need to get better defensively and maybe thats why they made those moves. Also, losing Amare is no loss for us defensively... Warrick and Hedo might not be good defenders, but they're probably similar to amare, except they have better lateral movement.

and that "37 year old guy whose soon to retire" was probably our best man-to-man defender last year. if you insist on needing defense, why would you not want to keep him? your points are pretty weak...

1. The Hedo move is a genius move because Suns will need a small forward next season due to the uncertainly in free agents Hill, Dudley, and Richardson. He is probably your long term SF with potentially a long term contract for Dudley to come off bench.

2. Indeed, Suns did replace low-IQ players with much higher IQ players (Josh, Hedo, Hakim, and even Lawal). That right there will make em better. And let's not forget Nash will make all these guys better too.

3. Suns are clearly not done working the deals. They still need to sign 1 more guy and probably will use it to get a big man. There is also the possibility of a Richardson for big-man trade.

4. If Suns don't make a trade and keep Hedo at PF, then you'll still be okay. Laugh if you want, but Hedo actually played better defense than Amare. And Hedo even had some killer 18, 19 rebound nights. Just check his box sheet. If Suns did 6-8 Diaw at center, they can sure do a 6-10 Hedo at PF. And even so, it will only be for a year cause as mentioned, Suns won't have too many small forwards next year.

Sunsman44 wrote:1. The Hedo move is a genius move because Suns will need a small forward next season due to the uncertainly in free agents Hill, Dudley, and Richardson. He is probably your long term SF with potentially a long term contract for Dudley to come off bench.

2. Indeed, Suns did replace low-IQ players with much higher IQ players (Josh, Hedo, Hakim, and even Lawal). That right there will make em better. And let's not forget Nash will make all these guys better too.

3. Suns are clearly not done working the deals. They still need to sign 1 more guy and probably will use it to get a big man. There is also the possibility of a Richardson for big-man trade.

4. If Suns don't make a trade and keep Hedo at PF, then you'll still be okay. Laugh if you want, but Hedo actually played better defense than Amare. And Hedo even had some killer 18, 19 rebound nights. Just check his box sheet. If Suns did 6-8 Diaw at center, they can sure do a 6-10 Hedo at PF. And even so, it will only be for a year cause as mentioned, Suns won't have too many small forwards next year.

Has Hedo ever played PF? But if you were referring to Suns likely playing zone all the time, then it's moot to discuss PF defense as they'd be chasing perimeter players whatsoever. You might have a point in Hedo better than Amare as perimeter defending PF.

hedo is no more a pf than rashard lewis

and last i checked, magic made it to the finals with lewis at pf doing a complete no show.

there was plenty of times where the team did a lot better with amare on the bench.

they will make this work.

Sunsman44 wrote:3. Suns are clearly not done working the deals. They still need to sign 1 more guy and probably will use it to get a big man. There is also the possibility of a Richardson for big-man trade.

4. If Suns don't make a trade and keep Hedo at PF, then you'll still be okay. Laugh if you want, but Hedo actually played better defense than Amare. And Hedo even had some killer 18, 19 rebound nights. Just check his box sheet. If Suns did 6-8 Diaw at center, they can sure do a 6-10 Hedo at PF. And even so, it will only be for a year cause as mentioned, Suns won't have too many small forwards next year.

Does that include Gani Lawal and Dwayne Collins??

You cant compare the 05-06 Suns to the 10-11 Suns. We had a different coach, and a COMPLETELY different mentality. Having a 6'8 player center for us just isn't going to cut it anymore.

Da_Reel_Kboy wrote:

Sunsman44 wrote:3. Suns are clearly not done working the deals. They still need to sign 1 more guy and probably will use it to get a big man. There is also the possibility of a Richardson for big-man trade.

4. If Suns don't make a trade and keep Hedo at PF, then you'll still be okay. Laugh if you want, but Hedo actually played better defense than Amare. And Hedo even had some killer 18, 19 rebound nights. Just check his box sheet. If Suns did 6-8 Diaw at center, they can sure do a 6-10 Hedo at PF. And even so, it will only be for a year cause as mentioned, Suns won't have too many small forwards next year.

Does that include Gani Lawal and Dwayne Collins??

You cant compare the 05-06 Suns to the 10-11 Suns. We had a different coach, and a COMPLETELY different mentality. Having a 6'8 player center for us just isn't going to cut it anymore.

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I agree with everyone who blasted this thread. We have the Lakers been super sorry? Teams like the NYK, Clippers etc. Dismantle and try "rebuild" and it never wroks, plus players don't go there. We have A LOT of talent and you are complaining? JRich and Hill are almost done here. We have replacments for them and the way Dragic is going Nash as well with a future roster of

Dragic
Childress
Clark (after last night)/Dudley
Hedo/Warrick
Lopez/Frye

All we need is one stud and he could come from the draft or a trade. I don't ever want to suck!