Serious question

GD2 · Post #1 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:46 pm

Was Josh Childress' contract (the contract no other team would have never thought about even offering) the first contract in NBA history where the agent and GM negotiating it were the same person? This is a serious question, I only ask because letting an agent negotiate a contract for his own player tops any other dumb thing Sarver has ever done. Does anyone know of an instance where there was another owner dumb enough to hire an agent to be GM and then negotiate a contract for his client?

WTFsunsFTW · Post #2 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:48 pm

Babby is not his agent, Childress recently switched to Octagon to rep him. However, the only reason we got him is because our new president of operations had close ties to the player. Babby received no financial benefit from Childress' contract.

GD2 · Post #3 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:53 pm

WTFsunsFTW wrote:Babby is not his agent, Childress recently switched to Octagon to rep him. However, the only reason we got him is because our new president of operations had close ties to the player. Babby received no financial benefit from Childress' contract.

Be real, the reason the Suns got him is because they massively overpaid for someone who was nothing more than a role player in Europe. No one other than Childress' former agent would be dumb enough to give him such a stupid contract.

GD2 · Post #4 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:57 pm

Here's how negotiations probably went:

Babby: "Childress is a former client of mine. The Suns have no need for him whatsoever, but I wanna sign him just because he's a former client and I like him on a personal level. Name your price, I'm willing to give whatever it takes to get a player I like, even though the team has no need for him whatsoever."

new agent: "5 years 30 million"

Babby: "Isn't that double what any other team is willing to offer"

new agent: "Remember, he was a former client of yours"

Babby: "You're right, lets finalize the deal. So what if I screw over the Suns' future with his contract and Turkoglu's contract, they're former clients, and helping out former clients is a lot more important to me than actually doing what's best for the Suns."

WTFsunsFTW · Post #5 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:58 pm

What would his former agent get from overpaying him? Why would he tarnish his new role with a backdoor scam? Why do you think he is overpaid?

RaisingArizona · Post #6 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:01 pm

Role players average over 30 minutes and score 16 pts a game bringing all the intangibles he does? Okay, sounds like we could use that.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #7 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:02 pm

Childress is far from overpaid...he's basically around the same salary Barbosa was and if guys like Wes Matthews are getting more than him you know he's signed to a reasonable deal.

GD2 · Post #8 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:04 pm

WTFsunsFTW wrote:What would his former agent get from overpaying him? Why would he tarnish his new role with a backdoor scam? Why do you think he is overpaid?

I think he's overpaid because no other team was willing to offer anything close to that. He was a role player in Europe, you don't give someone a long term deal at $6 million a year when there is no chance he'll ever be a starter. These contracts they're giving out are going to screw the team's cap situation up for the next 4-5 years, and for what? So they can lose in the 1st round rather than miss the playoffs completely? It's the 1996-2004 Brian Colangelo era of mediocrity all over again.

GD2 · Post #9 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:05 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:Role players average over 30 minutes and score 16 pts a game bringing all the intangibles he does? Okay, sounds like we could use that.

Childress has never averaged 16 PPG. Try again.

RaisingArizona · Post #10 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:13 pm

GD2 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Role players average over 30 minutes and score 16 pts a game bringing all the intangibles he does? Okay, sounds like we could use that.

Childress has never averaged 16 PPG. Try again.

15.8 on 66% shooting from the field lol. Dude's a beast.

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cn ... erID=31080

Frank Lee · Post #11 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:21 pm

GD2 wrote:I think he's overpaid because no other team was willing to offer anything close to that.

May be so, but I haven't checked with my other 29 inside sources....

GD2 wrote:there is no chance he'll ever be a starter

No, there is a chance. And further more, at the very least, he'll be starting with dragic when the second unit comes in. That bunch will play as long as they prosper.

If we get 24 productive minutes from the Chill, his deal is reasonable . That is equal to 1/8 of the available minutes.
1/8 of the payroll => 6-7 mil ?

Even better if we get his do too. I can see it now, fans donning the fro wigs. I got a feeling him and Dudley are going to get along... they are very similar players in style and attitude.... dirt workers. Chill on the Chill.

GD2 wrote:So they can lose in the 1st round rather than miss the playoffs completely? It's the 1996-2004 Brian Colangelo era of mediocrity all over again.

Who pooped in your backpack dude ? Go take a hike and clean it out. Your smelling up the campsite.

RaisingArizona · Post #12 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:21 pm

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GD2 · Post #13 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:41 pm

Frank Lee wrote:May be so, but I haven't checked with my other 29 inside sources....

Do you think another team out there was offering him that much.

Frank Lee wrote:If we get 24 productive minutes from the Chill, his deal is reasonable . That is equal to 1/8 of the available minutes.
1/8 of the payroll => 6-7 mil ?

There are 240 available minutes, 24 = 1/10 available minutes. With that said, I'm not even gonna go into describing how flawed that logic is.

Frank Lee wrote:Who pooped in your backpack dude ? Go take a hike and clean it out. Your smelling up the campsite.

So you're not gonna deny the fact we're in store for another mediocre era similar to 1996-2004? Just checking.

Frank Lee · Post #14 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:47 pm

Damn I hate it when my math is wrong... dont drink and divide.

GD2 wrote:So you're not gonna deny the fact we're in store for another mediocre era similar to 1996-2004? Just checking

Logic ?

You aren't going to consider your prediction a fact are you ?

Stick to math, its the only thing you can prove.

grumpysaddle · Post #15 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:47 pm

Great. Another complainer. Just what the board needed!!!

realsunsfan · Post #16 » by **realsunsfan** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:53 pm

GD2 wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:May be so, but I haven't checked with my other 29 inside sources....

Do you think another team out there was offering him that much.

.

Yeah actually, Utah, Cle and SA were after him as well.......

GD2 · Post #17 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:04 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Logic ?

You aren't going to consider your prediction a fact are you ?

Stick to math, its the only thing you can prove.

You still haven't denied it......

GD2 · Post #18 » by **GD2** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:05 pm

realsunsfan wrote:Yeah actually, Utah, Cle and SA were after him as well.......

And I'll bet none of them were offering as much as the Suns

harshey1388 · Post #19 » by **harshey1388** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:06 pm

grumpysaddle wrote:Great. Another complainer. Just what the board needed!!!

SERIOUSLY

Frank Lee wrote:Damn I hate it when my math is wrong... dont drink and divide.

GD2 wrote:So you're not gonna deny the fact we're in store for another mediocre era similar to 1996-2004? Just checking

so you would rather have the suns suck for the next however many years... and hope that a game changing player is available in the draft? id rather make it to the playoffs and compete rather just roll over and take it.

realsunsfan · Post #20 » by **realsunsfan** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:07 pm

GD2 wrote:
realsunsfan wrote:Yeah actually, Utah, Cle and SA were after him as well.......

And I'll bet none of them were offering as much as the Suns

Ummm, I think that is how it usually works, the team with the best offer usually gets the player....... :roll: