'93 Suns vs '07 Suns

DatWasNashty · Post #1 » by **DatWasNashty** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:53 pm

Who wins in a 7 game series? I ask this because I feel these two are the best Phoenix teams I've seen. Please don't make this into a debate if they were the best or not lol. Some key info:

'93 line up:
PG - KJ
SG - Majerle
SF - Ceballos / Dumas
PF - Chuck
C - Mark West
Key bench players: Oliver Miller, Ainge, Chambers

'07 line up:
PG - Nash
SG - Bell
SF - Marion
PF - Diaw
C - Amare
Key bench players: Barbosa, Thomas, Jones

Also, take into account the rules they'd be playing with. The game in '93 was a whole lot different than it was in '07. Chuck is going to dominate the paint and the glass like he did in the playoffs that year. And with the attention he receivers, shooters like Ainge and Thunder Dan will benefit. It will also open up the lane for KJ to penetrate. I love Nash but Nash on KJ is a huge mismatch. The inside/out game the '93 team ran was very effective. Plus, they could run the offense through KJ since he ran the pick and roll really well with Chuck and Chambers. And KJ, Ceballos and Dumas were deadly in the open court. So, they could effectively run an uptempo and a halfcourt offense.

On the other hand, the '07 team isn't being stopped either and they'll torch them on the break. Nash leading with Barbosa and Marion at the wings? Yeah, that isn't being stopped. Nobody on that team can guard Amare. Barbosa off the bench will torch Ainge. And really the Nash / Amare pick and roll isn't being stopped. Nash will get to the lane with ease and the defense would collapse leaving deadly shooters open ('07 Suns shot the 3 at 40%). As far as I'm concerned, this will be a very tough and exciting match up which boils down to the rules they're playing with. '07 rules, '07 teams wins because they could pack it in (zone) and get in a shooting contest which they're likely to win. KJ would have difficulty penetrating with guys backing off of him and the paint packed in. So, he would have to rely on his jumper which was very good up to 18 feet but no range up to 3. Barkley would have several defenders from the weakside floating around to make him work and contest his shot. And in a 3 pt contest, I'm taking the '07 team. However, '93 rules with handchecking and illegal defense being called, lanes would be wide open for KJ to penetrate and he'll kill both Nash or Bell off the dribble. The '07 team likely doubles and triples Barkley but they'd have guys that would the '07 team pay. Plus, Miller could camp in the paint and provide shot blocking since there was no 3 second rule at that time. And with hard bodychecks and handchecking, their perimeter D with Majerle (all defensive team), KJ and Dumas wouldn't be bad.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #2 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:54 pm

SideSwipe · Post #3 » by **SideSwipe** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:58 pm

93 had more talent
07 had better teamwork

Overall....I think it goes to 92-93. They proved they could win in the regular season and the post-season. They also have at least 3 HOF caliber players on that roster. 07 has 2.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #4 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 10:09 pm

I like the older roster in a game. Kevin Johnson was a great great point guard and I think Barkley was the best player in the NBA that year...(Which he did win the MVP that year). The only horrible fit on that team was 85 year old Mark West and even at the time he wasn't a bad role playing center for them. Frank Johnson was also a good backup point guard too.

WTFsunsFTW · Post #5 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 10:12 pm

If Mark West tied his hands behind his back to avoid fouls the 93 suns would mop the floor with em. Nash can't handle KJ, Diaw would sit and pout after a few rounds with Barkley.

Austin · Post #6 » by **Austin** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 10:50 pm

What about '93 Suns vs. 2010 Suns?

I think the 2010 Suns win that battle... Chemisty, Teamwork, Chemistry, and the 3's OMFG!

LukasBMW · Post #7 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 10:51 pm

1993. Best Suns team ever.

RaisingArizona · Post #8 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Aug 2, 2010 11:24 pm

93 Suns by far. They just happened to run into Jordan and company.

Calvin Klein · Post #9 » by **Calvin Klein** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 12:09 am

I'm gonna say 93 but not by far.

DirtyDez · Post #10 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 1:02 am

93' easily... KJ would eat Nash up and lock him down defensively. Thunder D was also a terrific perimeter defender and Chuck would own the paint.

DatWasNashty · Post #11 » by **DatWasNashty** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 1:03 am

Yeah, I think overall the '93 team was slightly better. They beat the Lakers, the DRob led Spurs and a great defensive team in Seattle on their way to the finals. And the Sonics were stacked with talent with guys like GP, Kemp, McKey, Perkins, Pierce etc. They also came through in the clutch. Barkley coming up with 44/24 in game 7 of the WCF, hitting a gamewinner in game 6 against the Spurs and the whole team regrouped after the 2-0 deficit against LA. iirc, that had something to do with a lack of practice and being rusty but they took it to them at the Forum and came through in OT of game 5. Not to mention they could've won close to 70 games had KJ and Dumas been healthy. Their clear advantages over the '07 team are rebounding, depth and they would have the best player on the floor.

DatWasNashty · Post #12 » by **DatWasNashty** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 1:14 am

DirtyDez wrote:93' easily... KJ would eat Nash up and lock him down defensively. Thunder D was also a terrific perimeter defender and Chuck would own the paint.

KJ isn't locking down Nash. He was a underrated defender (checked Jordan for stretches in the finals) but he isn't shutting down Nash who had his best season ever that year. And I wouldn't call Majerle a terrific defender. He was strong, had good size and physical D but he was prone to dribble penetration. Drexler lit him up in '92 WCSF and MJ put up 41 a game on us with Majerle defending him about 65% of the time. Plus, Dan is going to be matched up with Bell who is mainly a spot up shooter on offense. He can't have much impact on defense in that match up.

TXSun · Post #13 » by **TXSun** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 1:31 am

'93 was a glory year for us. the teams they had to beat in order to get there. '93 was the greatest team ever. not far is the '07 and then the 2010 team. 2010 was all about brotherhood, no one expected PHX in the WCF.

DatWasNashty · Post #14 » by **DatWasNashty** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 1:40 am

TXSun wrote:'93 was a glory year for us. the teams they had to beat in order to get there. '93 was the greatest team ever. not far is the '07 and then the 2010 team. 2010 was all about brotherhood, no one expected PHX in the WCF.

Yeah. I'd put the '05 Suns up there as well. I still think we could've beat the Spurs had JJ been healthy. They lacked depth but that starting line up was as stacked of a starting 5 that I've seen.

Nash
JJ
QRich
Marion
Amare

Freakin' incredible.

DirtyDez · Post #15 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 1:59 am

DatWasNashty wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:93' easily... KJ would eat Nash up and lock him down defensively. Thunder D was also a terrific perimeter defender and Chuck would own the paint.

KJ isn't locking down Nash. He was a underrated defender (checked Jordan for stretches in the finals) but he isn't shutting down Nash who had his best season ever that year. And I wouldn't call Majerle a terrific defender. He was strong, had good size and physical D but he was prone to dribble penetration. Drexler lit him up in '92 WCSF and MJ put up 41 a game on us with Majerle defending him about 65% of the time. Plus, Dan is going to be matched up with Bell who is mainly a spot up shooter on offense. He can't have much impact on defense in that match up.

Majerle was 2nd team all defender that year... Plus Dan isn't guarding Drexler or MJ, he's guarding Raja who can't do anything offensively but shoot therefore the positional advantage goes to Dan and it's not even close. KJ was hurt for a large part of that year but at full health he'd neutralize Nash. Maybe not eat him up, but he'd have the advantage on both sides of the ball. The best PG Nash ever faced during our playoff run was Tony Parker and Sam Cassell (who aren't anywhere close to KJ)... The thing about that 93' team is that they were physical. If the game turns into a half-court matchup like the Spurs used to do, then they'd have their way pretty easily.

At each starting position...

KJ>Nash
Dan>Bell
Marion>CC
Chuck>Diaw or Marion at PF
Amare>West

Bench - 93'

I'd say 93' Suns in 5 games due to depth and number of possesions.

nashrambler13 · Post #16 » by **nashrambler13** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 2:00 am

What about the 2011 Suns!!! Yeah! Best Suns team EVEER? Yeah!!

C'mon, no takers.

cmw17 · Post #17 » by **cmw17** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 9:00 pm

DirtyDez wrote:
KJ>Nash

and Nash is much better than just stats. This is no contest.

RaisingArizona · Post #18 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Aug 3, 2010 11:01 pm

KJ was a much better defender which is something that doesn't show up on box scores.

DatWasNashty · Post #19 » by **DatWasNashty** » Wed Aug 4, 2010 12:11 am

Peak for peak, KJ and Nash are as close as they get. However, '07 Nash > '93 KJ. Actual match up would probably be a wash, though. KJ wasn't healthy that year so his stats are slightly deceiving. Neither are going to stop each other from scoring, penetrating etc.

DirtyDez · Post #20 » by **DirtyDez** » Wed Aug 4, 2010 12:40 am

cmw17 wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
KJ>Nash

and Nash is much better than just stats. This is no contest.

KJ was hurt for a majority of that year. Compare KJ previous few seasons to Nash in 07' and KJ has the clear advantage offensively and defensively. KJ also has superior career numbers.

and Nash is much better than just stats. This is no contest

Stats don't show that Nash is a joke on D, so i agree that stats aren't everything. :wink: