Suns Power Forward Review

realsunsfan · Post #1 » by **realsunsfan** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:58 pm

Hedo, Warrick, Lawal, and.........Clark are the "named" power forwards so far.........

Here is the link to the suns outlook on the PF position.......

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/powerforwards_100913.html

YFZblu · Post #2 » by **YFZblu** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:10 pm

I really hope Lawal is able to devlop and provide a little of what Lou brought us---Productive hustle in the front court. I see Clark playing the same role that he did last season. Human victory cigar.

realsunsfan · Post #3 » by **realsunsfan** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:55 pm

YFZblu wrote:I really hope Lawal is able to devlop and provide a little of what Lou brought us---Productive hustle in the front court. I see Clark playing the same role that he did last season. Human victory cigar.

I think he will YFZblu, what I found very interesting was the outlook on Clark. When he was drafted they said they viewed him as a future SF now they are saying he is going to spend a lot of time at PF. He has the size at 6'-10" and now 245 lbs (same size as Amare) to be able to do it, but it will be interesting to see if he can figure it out mentally........

RunDogGun · Post #4 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:10 pm

realsunsfan wrote:
YFZblu wrote:I really hope Lawal is able to devlop and provide a little of what Lou brought us---Productive hustle in the front court. I see Clark playing the same role that he did last season. Human victory cigar.

I think he will YFZblu, what I found very interesting was the outlook on Clark. When he was drafted they said they viewed him as a future SF now they are saying he is going to spend a lot of time at PF. He has the size at 6'-10" and now 245 lbs (same size as Amare) to be able to do it, but it will be interesting to see if he can figure it out mentally........

The only problem I see with that is the signing of Warrick, and the length of his contract. It would then seem as if there was little faith in Clark. In every situation I can see, Clark is at best a third string at either SF or PF. And if he does emerge as a second stringer, it would mean that we are over paying Warrick or we lost out on either Hill or Dudley (both of which were huge reasons for our longevity last year.)

realsunsfan · Post #5 » by **realsunsfan** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:22 pm

RunDogGun wrote:
realsunsfan wrote:
YFZblu wrote:I really hope Lawal is able to devlop and provide a little of what Lou brought us---Productive hustle in the front court. I see Clark playing the same role that he did last season. Human victory cigar.

I think he will YFZblu, what I found very interesting was the outlook on Clark. When he was drafted they said they viewed him as a future SF now they are saying he is going to spend a lot of time at PF. He has the size at 6'-10" and now 245 lbs (same size as Amare) to be able to do it, but it will be interesting to see if he can figure it out mentally........

The only problem I see with that is the signing of Warrick, and the length of his contract. It would then seem as if there was little faith in Clark. In every situation I can see, Clark is at best a third string at either SF or PF. And if he does emerge as a second stringer, it would mean that we are over paying Warrick or we lost out on either Hill or Dudley (both of which were huge reasons for our longevity last year.)

In a traditional sub pattern I would agree with you Rundoggun, but after our starters tip off the game, the sub pattern is never really set in stone, at least not for us anyway. Gentry has a habit of going with who is playing well at any given moment and playing multiple groups together that are an unorthodox combination of players. The minutes will be spread out for everyone that is able to contribute. So I think there will be opportunities for him to prove himself this year, question is will he be able to contribute....

RunDogGun · Post #6 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:45 pm

realsunsfan wrote:

In a traditional sub pattern I would agree with you Rundoggun, but after our starters tip off the game, the sub pattern is never really set in stone, at least not for us anyway. Gentry has a habit of going with who is playing well at any given moment and playing multiple groups together that are an unorthodox combination of players. The minutes will be spread out for everyone that is able to contribute. So I think there will be opportunities for him to prove himself this year, question is will he be able to contribute....

I can see that, unless Gentry elects to play that hockey lineup change. If that happens, it leaves garbage time for all our third stringers. I actually see a bunch of DLeague games in Clark's future. Then possibly a trade piece. After this summer, I just don't know how much trust the coaching staff has in Clark. But if he does emerge, it will be tough to grab the minutes from guys getting paid much more than him. Again, it will mean we over spent on Warrick. Which I already thought.

Post #7 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:48 pm

realsunsfan wrote:In a traditional sub pattern I would agree with you Rundoggun, but after our starters tip off the game, the sub pattern is never really set in stone, at least not for us anyway. Gentry has a habit of going with who is playing well at any given moment and playing multiple groups together that are an unorthodox combination of players. The minutes will be spread out for everyone that is able to contribute. So I think there will be opportunities for him to prove himself this year, question is will he be able to contribute....

I just don't see enough minutes for EC this season. Even if Warrick is sucking, I think we're paying him too much to just be a 15mpg guy and we're going to play the crap out of him just so at the very least, he's playing enough minutes to justify his contract. There are just too many reasons to play Warrick in the minutes EC could be getting and unless EC surprises everyone with his development, I think Warrick is going to keep taking EC's minutes. Garbage-garbage time is when we'll see EC unfortunately. I'd love to see EC get his chance, but we're just too (necessarily) stacked at the 3-4 spot.

Frank Lee · Post #8 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:25 pm

I think you guys are making a lot more out of this 'who's going to get minutes' thing. Granted, it will be a juggling exercise for Gentry, but I cant see the minutes being affected by how much some one is paid or who will grumble if they dont play reasoning.

Hakim is probably the happiest FA around. He got a handsome deal for the next 3 yrs on his birthday to boot. This dude must be cloudnining. He is an excellent lockeroom guy and team mate. And if anyone is accustomed to playing only 15 mins a game its him. He will earn his time like any one else.

Clark cant complain and can only help his cause.

The other guys will figure it out too.

RunDogGun wrote: unless Gentry elects to play that hockey lineup change. If that happens, it leaves garbage time for all our third stringers.

I am hoping for this.... and just when are 3rd stringers supposed to play ??? Clark will get his chance... its up to him to get his minutes, and he'll do that in practice.

SideSwipe · Post #9 » by **SideSwipe** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:48 pm

I think the most interesting part of the Preview is that Dudley is listed as a SG. Chilldress listed as a SF, if Chill got the starting promise, then the lineup might be:

Nash/ Dragic
Richardson/ Dudley/ Janning
Chilldress/ Hill/
Turky/ Warrick/ Lawal/ Clark
Lopez/ Frye/ Jones

realsunsfan · Post #10 » by **realsunsfan** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:52 pm

I agree Frank, I think the fact that we are under the tax line for the first time in a long time, what someone makes won't be the determining factor in who plays and for how many minutes. They have made it clear that they trust Gentry's judgement on who plays and we all know that we are a team of very versatile players that can play multiple positions. I think more than anything minutes will depend on who we are playing against and who plays well with each other in practice. I think we will have tha "hockey shift" mentality but I also think there will be many combinations of players from the "end of bench" guys mixed with first and second shift players depending on how they mesh in practice. Clark will get his chance with minutes with out a doubt, question still remains will he produce enough to keep them.......

WTFsunsFTW · Post #11 » by **WTFsunsFTW** » Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:17 pm

SideSwipe wrote:I think the most interesting part of the Preview is that Dudley is listed as a SG. Chilldress listed as a SF, if Chill got the starting promise, then the lineup might be:

Nash/ Dragic
Richardson/ Dudley/ Janning
Chilldress/ Hill/
Turky/ Warrick/ Lawal/ Clark
Lopez/ Frye/ Jones

I'm pretty sure Chill didnt get a starting promise. where did you hear this?

Hill got the promise before Chill did, im pretty sure...

realsunsfan · Post #12 » by **realsunsfan** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:36 am

WTFsunsFTW wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:I think the most interesting part of the Preview is that Dudley is listed as a SG. Chilldress listed as a SF, if Chill got the starting promise, then the lineup might be:

Nash/ Dragic
Richardson/ Dudley/ Janning
Chilldress/ Hill/
Turky/ Warrick/ Lawal/ Clark
Lopez/ Frye/ Jones

I'm pretty sure Chill didnt get a starting promise. where did you hear this?

Hill got the promise before Chill did, im pretty sure...

Gentry also continually refers to Jchill as a great addition to the second unit with his slashing ability so I'm pretty sure he never got a starting promise.....

SideSwipe · Post #13 » by **SideSwipe** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:23 pm

I did hear it, but it was rumor. It's been discussed around here several times. I hadn't heard the Gentry quotes, so maybe its old news. I think the lineup is interesting. Maybe Chill got the "start" notice, but meant it for future years after Hill retires, which may or may not be this year.

danielektropunk · Post #14 » by **danielektropunk** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 3:33 pm

SideSwipe wrote:I think the most interesting part of the Preview is that Dudley is listed as a SG. Chilldress listed as a SF, if Chill got the starting promise, then the lineup might be:

Nash/ Dragic
Richardson/ Dudley/ Janning
Chilldress/ Hill/
Turky/ Warrick/ Lawal/ Clark
Lopez/ Frye/ Jones

hedo is not a PF

Post #15 » by **Miklo** » Mon Oct 4, 2010 3:34 pm

danielektropunk wrote:hedo is not a PF

Not sure if serious...

Hedo has played PF plenty before and it is widely discussed that he will start at PF for us...

TheMan44 · Post #16 » by **TheMan44** » Tue Oct 5, 2010 6:03 am

Look, NBA 2K11 pretty much got the Suns roster down correctly in the starting five: Lopez, Warrick, Hill, Richardson, and Nash.

There is still no way Hedo will play PF despite what has been written and said. They may give him a "try" at PF for about a week, but will definitely bring him back to his natural-3 position.

Here is the lineup, firm and written in stone in my opinion:

C Lopez - Frye - Jones
F Hakim - Gani - Clark
F Turk - Hill - Dudley
G Rich - Child - Janning
G Nash - Dragic - Janning

DRK · Post #17 » by **DRK** » Tue Oct 5, 2010 9:33 am

Sunsman44 wrote:There is still no way Hedo will play PF despite what has been written and said. They may give him a "try" at PF for about a week, but will definitely bring him back to his natural-3 position.

Even after all the press conferences and interviews of Alvin Gentry saying that Hedo will be the starting 4, you still dont believe it?

Hedo won't play the role of a "traditional" 4. He wont be in the low post too often, nor will he be setting too many screens like otehr "traditional" 4's. He will be relying mostly on his jumpshot to score his points.

BurningHeart · Post #18 » by **BurningHeart** » Tue Oct 5, 2010 9:43 am

I don't get this guy. What makes him think we trust his word over like, EVERYONE ELSE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION? Unreal.

I'm thinking more about who's going to be our 6th man. Frye? Childress? Warrick? Dudley? Dragic in a Ginobili-style role? Maybe we can do "line shifts", lol.

DRK · Post #19 » by **DRK** » Tue Oct 5, 2010 9:48 am

BurningHeart wrote:I don't get this guy. What makes him think we trust his word over like, EVERYONE ELSE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION? Unreal.

I'm thinking more about who's going to be our 6th man. Frye? Childress? Warrick? Dudley? Dragic in a Ginobili-style role? Maybe we can do "line shifts", lol.

Most likely Dragic, but I don't see him getting too many more minutes over the rest of the second unit.

Post #20 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 5, 2010 12:21 pm

We don't run a traditional lineup so we won't have a traditional 6th man who'll play starter minutes. Last season the closest we got to a 6th man was Channing Frye at 27mpg, but that's only because he was playing starter minutes in the beginning of the season. If I recall, last season the 1st guy off the bench was Frye subbing in for Lopez, so I guess Frye will most likely be our 6th man this season too. Otherwise it'll probably be Warrick subbing on for Hill and shifting Hedo to his natural position at the 4.